ISLAM and MUSLIMS

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Magenta

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I think just a general knowledge of how and what they think would do this thread just fine.
I have no clue so please continue to post your experiences so I can glean some knowledge.

Thank you

Potter.
I am glad you said this because it did in fact inspire me to share some of what I have learned about Islam over the last ten years. Unfortunately as you know, the mere fact of doing so brings the liars, hypocrites, and haters crawling out of the woodwork. It is all well and good for them to say what they want about Muslims and Islam, but when others do so, suddenly it is classified and characterized as hate speech, fear mongering, anger, and coming from a place of terror.

Such disgusting tactics as Angela used are inexcusable, addressing me directly and then pretending she was not talking about me when she was. She goes on and on about our Canadian prime minister and his inclinations to Islam and I guess I will have to start applying her own logic to her doing so, and calling her a hater who is full of anger and terror. She is someone whose haughtiness is so great she will say things like you cannot understand Scripture unless you read Greek, because she reads Greek, therefore, if you do not, you are beneath her in understanding, in effect discrediting every single person who ever came to Christ when they understood and accepted the gospel message because, oops, you do not read Greek, therefore you could not have understood. She has had a number of people calling her out on her egotistical stance a number of times, but people always stick up for her because she has studied for years, as if that somehow raises her above the human condition. It would have been nice if she had taken responsibility for her paltry behavior toward me, but instead she lied about it.

[video=youtube;bSQMPlxDFlI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSQMPlxDFlI[/video]
 

Magenta

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I was directed to David Wood's videos on youtube :)
They are pretty recent according to the post dates.

[video=youtube;zUWUAvSpnQY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUWUAvSpnQY[/video]
 

Magenta

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This is probably a good movie to take any non-believer to...

[video=youtube;XqgQ9g2MV_8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqgQ9g2MV_8[/video]
 

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Good morning :)

Somebody said that Christians killed much more muslims than muslims killed Christians. I am watching this video right now, do not worry, its in English :)


[video]https://video.aktualne.cz/dvtv/hrozi-nam-globalni-konflikt-na-rade-mist-stredniho-vychodu-p/r~7bf6187c23b511e7b5e5002590604f2e/[/video]

500 000 people killed just in Syria. By christians? No. In a civil war between muslims.
 
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Angela53510

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I am glad you said this because it did in fact inspire me to share some of what I have learned about Islam over the last ten years. Unfortunately as you know, the mere fact of doing so brings the liars, hypocrites, and haters crawling out of the woodwork. It is all well and good for them to say what they want about Muslims and Islam, but when others do so, suddenly it is classified and characterized as hate speech, fear mongering, anger, and coming from a place of terror.

Such disgusting tactics as Angela used are inexcusable, addressing me directly and then pretending she was not talking about me when she was. She goes on and on about our Canadian prime minister and his inclinations to Islam and I guess I will have to start applying her own logic to her doing so, and calling her a hater who is full of anger and terror. She is someone whose haughtiness is so great she will say things like you cannot understand Scripture unless you read Greek, because she reads Greek, therefore, if you do not, you are beneath her in understanding, in effect discrediting every single person who ever came to Christ when they understood and accepted the gospel message because, oops, you do not read Greek, therefore you could not have understood. She has had a number of people calling her out on her egotistical stance a number of times, but people always stick up for her because she has studied for years, as if that somehow raises her above the human condition. It would have been nice if she had taken responsibility for her paltry behavior toward me, but instead she lied about it.

[video=youtube;bSQMPlxDFlI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSQMPlxDFlI[/video]
I am very sorry you are so mad at me! You are a real woman of God, and if I have offended you, I apologize.

Couid you please quote where I lied? I have honestly no idea what you are talking about. As for Greek, it really is necessary to discuss theology I knew that before I ever studied Greek!

Greek is NOT necessary to be saved, to follow Jesus to evangelize and obey God. No one is less because they don't know Greek although I do take issue with certain people who don't know Greek at all, and quote various internet preachers who are using Greek falsely, as happens frequently in this forum. That especially includes copy and pastes of internet sites like Blue Letter Bible or similar simplistic sites!

Finally, I was indeed addressing you! The Europeans are fearful of Muslims because of what they are living with every day! Whether that is cultural or religion, I do not know! But you do not live in that state to my knowledge here in Canada. Yet you kept posting post after post that seemed like fear mongering to me

As for Trudeau, I do not like him for multiple reasons, including the fact that he was elected on his supposed charisma, just like his father, who drove Canada deeply into its first ever debt, stole from the west in every way, and divided the country linguistically and culturally in a way we were not before he became pm. As for Justin, he has picked up where his father left off with huge deficits, much more by 10x what he said he would do, and lies about "budgets balancing themselves " Then there was his dishonesty in running without letting people know he had converted to Islam. Was it a conspiracy? I doubt it, but
anyone with absolute power is a danger to the country. And right now, with a majority government which demands total and absolute obedience, it will be a long time till the 2019 election! I do blame central Canada and the MSM for his election, Along with the lies spread about Harper on social media! But since I did not actively opppose the slander, I am partly responsible for his election!

So do tell me how and where I lied! And I do agree with you about some aspects of Islam as a religion - but I preferred that this thread be one about how we can make a difference by knowing how and what to share with Muslims, their responses and deflections, in order to bring them to Christ and snatch them from the flames! We all sin, and what a terrible thing to know you are a sinner and never to learn that Jesus solved the sin problem with his death and resurrection, especially when Christians live all around you!
 

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Just wanted to add, I find it easier to witness to Muslims than atheists - the good
starting point is we both believe in God. Plus the sun tan helps. :)

Several times i get taxis back and forth, many taxi drivers are Asian in my city.
When I say I'm going to church, they are really surprised and start asking questions.
Thats all it takes!

There was one man in his late 50s, as soon as I told him I was going to church, he
started asking me about the bible, I can't remember what the right name for it is. But
he said he was a leader in his local mosque and he felt there was something missing.

We got to church and ended up sat outside for 20 mins telling him about the early books
of the bible, Garden of Eden, Abraham, in the beginning was the word. Then book of
John, the word was God - was Jesus.

He said Muslims believe the first five books of the bible. Wow an amazing place to start
when witnessing to Muslims or what! They have a little truth - give them the rest!

I asked if he wanted me to pray for him - Me a mere woman pray for a man who leads his
mosque! He said yes so we spent a little time in his taxi praying outside of church. I did the
praying and I prayed in the name of Jesus. He was almost crying.

This is just one of the many conversations I've had over the years. He had a hunger
to know the truth. What if I'd just thought - oh he is evil, he wants to kill me really,
dont bother with him. What a missed opportunity that would have been.
I would like to like this post but Miri, your Muslim man lied to you. Muslims do not believe the first five books of the Bible. Among other things, they reject Isaac as the child of promise to Abraham and substitute Ishmael, from whom Mohammed claims descent. If you do not know this, you fail to grasp one of the main reasons Muslims are deceived into accepting Mohammed as a greater prophet than Jesus. Yes, Mohammed, who was an adulterous war mongering pedophile, is elevated above the sinless Lamb of God because of the person God's Word calls a mule of a man who will ever be at war with his brothers. He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers. Their creation accounts differ with Genesis. One of Noah's sons drowns according to the Koran. I suppose pointing out such discrepancies is unnecessary in such a sensitive situation as yours, and it seems you are blessed in a way not everybody is. Also I wonder who here has said that Muslims are evil??? You say that as if you think someone has. If they did, I missed it, sorry.
 

Magenta

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Good morning :)

Somebody said that Christians killed much more muslims than muslims killed Christians. I am watching this video right now, do not worry, its in English :)


[video]https://video.aktualne.cz/dvtv/hrozi-nam-globalni-konflikt-na-rade-mist-stredniho-vychodu-p/r~7bf6187c23b511e7b5e5002590604f2e/[/video]

500 000 people killed just in Syria. By christians? No. In a civil war between muslims.
Good morning :) Is that your language in the video? It's my bedtime :D
 
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Islam is full of hate and violence and the suppression of women, who are worth only half as much as a man, which is not just a cultural phenomena, but explicitly taught in what they consider to be their holy writings, which I would hope any true Christian would not shrink from considering to be Satanic.

Yes, I am bold enough to proclaim that Islam is Satanic, and evil, and destructive, but if you are equally bold enough say so, be prepared to have people attack you and call you hateful and angry and act as if you are presenting half truths, while they lie about you and pretend they are being fair and well balanced in their opinions and false accusations, attempting to fool others and lull them into accepting their lies of many words and flowery language to hide the stench of their hypocrisy and dishonesty.

If there are people who wish to present the majority of Muslims as friendly, easy going, unbiased, and nonthreatening, despite the wealth of history that attests against them and their Satanic religion and culture, then let them do that. They can pretend to their heart's content that there is no threat from Islam. I on the other hand will continue to sound the alarm and to hope that people wake up to the truth that Islam is not harmless. Showing you what has been happening in the European countries that have forced immigration accompanied by political correctness that stifles the truth of what happens after they are allowed in to the host countries does not make me biased, either.

Perhaps you don't like the unvarnished truth. I am sorry for you.


Though what you say is true, you will never win an argument against a good man who appears
nice by calling him satanic. It just makes you look like a fruit cake.

Islam is centuries old and grows by playing a game of distraction. Do not focus on the evil or
the injustice or the lack of love, just the name and we will claim persecution and victimisation
because you hate us because you know it is the truth.

So you need to focus on the points corruption and morality.
They have no morality other than brutal judgements, which can be executed by anyone.
So love and justice are irrelevant, or family, or education.
Everything is subjugated to the lustful desires of the men, who can take women as young
as 9 as wives, kill children if they desire, do anything as long as the islamic law, Sharia does
not ban it.

Censorship. It is evil to say anything bad against anyone, true or false. So this means the
truth of a community is always hidden, and propoganda rules everything. So the cruelest dictators
and corrupt leaders can prosper and there is nothing that can be done against them.

Rape. Rape is not a crime in Islam only adultery. So a rape victim goes to court but you need
4 witnesses to prove the case. Almost impossible. On the other hand if you have admitted sex
outside marriage you deserve the death penalty. In islamic countries prisons fill with abused
women and accusations of adultery. It is fine to beat your wives into submission.

This is the true face of Islam. Women are the abused victims of this system, and justice and
truth is sacrificed on the altar of religion. They would go back to the world of slavery and
subjugation in a twinkling of a eye, because they believe they have the right.
 

Magenta

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Though what you say is true, you will never win an argument against a good man who appears
nice by calling him satanic. It just makes you look like a fruit cake.
Are you a fruit cake? It would be nice if people stopped twisting what I say.
 
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Are you a fruit cake? It would be nice if people stopped twisting what I say.
Magenta - Did you read what I wrote? I am not twisting what you are saying, I am
pointing out why extreme summary statements about Islam being evil are miss-leading.
That is a propoganda game that they play very well for centuries.

One muslim put it like this. There society was brillliant at showing the failure of the west
talking about the problems, the theft, murder and rape, and appearing to be nice and
upright, but when it came to their own behaviour they literally had no problem doing all
the wrong things. They repressed conscience or social justice, so there is nothing that
says, it matters how you behave.

It is this that is their hypocracy and failure, there destruction of any opposition group.
But with the internet, with statistics and just observing what happens it is obvious the
problems are far worse and the injustice more stark than you could imagine.
Evil and corruption spread where there is no light to expose it, because it destroys the
foundations of anything good, and makes it impossible for anyone to prosper without
participating.
 

p_rehbein

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Believe it or not Christianity is not considered by law a religion.
It is so hard to convince believers that religion and Christianity have little, if anything, in common. Christianity is a FAITH. I would think it would be the easiest thing for believers to understand.

The secular (unbelieving) world labels Christianity a religion, and many believers/Denominations buy into it and refer to Christianity that way, but it is not true.

Anyway..............
 

Magenta

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Magenta - Did you read what I wrote? I am not twisting what you are saying, I am
pointing out why extreme summary statements about Islam being evil are miss-leading.
That is a propoganda game that they play very well for centuries.
Yeah, yeah, you want to pretend I said something I did not. You and every other hater I have encountered in this thread has misrepresented me or what I said and then misrepresented themself, just like you have now by denying your error. Haha wow you just made a whole slew of extreme summary statements about Islam. You are funny.
 

p_rehbein

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I suppose this would depend on how one defines a "developed country." On average, the US does spend more than the next 10 highest spending countries...........but, surely, there are more than 11 "developed countries" in the world right?

Easy to get stats by doing a simple search............many Sites contrast US Defense Spending against other countries......

wikipedia has a pretty good chart to review:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures

This article is a list of countries by military expenditure in a given year. Military expenditure figures are presented in United States dollars based on either constant or current exchange rates.[SUP][1][/SUP] These results can vary greatly from one year to another based on fluctuations in the exchange rates of each country's currency. Such fluctuations may change a country's ranking from one year to the next.
The 1st list is based on the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI) 2016 Fact Sheet, which includes a list on the world's top 15 military spenders in 2015, based on current market exchange rates.[SUP][1][/SUP] The 2nd list is based on the 2016 edition of "The Military Balance" published by the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS) using average market exchange rates.[SUP][2]

But, there are many more Sites to review

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the US military budget is more than every other developed country combined. what exactly do you think we are doing with it?
 

Magenta

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It is so hard to convince believers that religion and Christianity have little, if anything, in common. Christianity is a FAITH. I would think it would be the easiest thing for believers to understand.

The secular (unbelieving) world labels Christianity a religion, and many believers/Denominations buy into it and refer to Christianity that way, but it is not true.

Anyway..............
I wonder if Roman Catholics are easy to convince of their error because we both believe in God? Of course I am being facetious, for anyone who has spoken to Roman Catholics know they defend their papistry and the heresies of their institution quite vociferously. Who do Roman Catholics have a relationship with: Christ, or the pope? Do Muslims have a relationship with Allah, or their cultural heritage/Koran? There are fine lines to be drawn and not everyone is perceptive enough to make the distinctions.
 

p_rehbein

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Just did some "search" on this, and the Reports/Statistics are all over the place.......literally..........it seems to depend on who is publishing the Stats as to how high the death tolls are.

In any event, I am fairly certain that Muslims have killed far more Muslims from the dawn of History than the US has. Muslims have fought and killed Muslims since they came into existence.

Anyway, it simply depends on which Groups Report/Stats one wants to believe

the real facts and figures would be much higher. more than one million dead in Iraq in last ten years. thats one country in only ten years.
 

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i have met many Muslims and none tried to kill me in the name of Allah.
i dont think they attack in the name of Allah, i think it has more to do with them being surrounded by US military bases and their cities full of women and children being bombed every day.

how many military bases in the US from Muslim countries?
Psssst, you do know that they were killing in the name of allah as far back as during the time of Muhammad, right?

In fact, Muhammad died because a Jewish woman poisoned him for killing her family when he and his followers attacked Khaibar.