If Jesus Intended for Christianity to be Exclusively a “Religion of the Book,” Why

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That Sola Scriptura approach is wrong...?

That the existence of the Christian Church comes before the writing of the New Testament?

To explain the discrepancies found in the narratives of the New Testament? These discrepancies clearly show that there was more than one version of the accounts circulating orally.
Well of course Christianity comes before the writing of the NT. The Acts of the apostles and the spread of Christianity existed before they were written.

Here's how it goes: Something great happens, that's an event. Then it's recorded.

The men who wrote the books of the bible were inspired and now we have copies of those writings and so the bible.

It's kinda like a doctor's prescription. First there's the illness. Then the visit to the doctor. Then comes the prescription.

If I find the prescription and I know medicine, I can to - some degree - know what the patient's problem was.

Oh, the variations. Almost overlooked that.

Moses broke all Ten Commandments at one time! Guess what? We still have the Ten Commandments! Oh the mighty providence of God in preserving His word as it traveled through the years.

You can attack the record. You can attempt to discredit it.
Truth of the matter, those discrepancies are minute and insignificant.

And they are only alleged discrepancies.



 

Locutus

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None of the accounts of gospels deviate from the prophecies in the old testament, so the old testament still is a "religion" of the book.

I guess if you prefer to get your "direction" from tea leaves in the bottom of the cup....:p
 
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He didnt, contrary to popular belief, God didnt send us a bible, God sent us the Holy Ghost.
Most people couldnt even read back when the new testament was being written so why give a scroll to a bunch of folks who cant read, makes no sense.
Instead they had apostles lay hands on em and get the gift of the Holy Ghost and baptism in water.

Jesus was a carpenter and He could read.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/1573658/posts

 

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You can attack the record. You can attempt to discredit it.
Truth of the matter, those discrepancies are minute and insignificant.

And they are only alleged discrepancies.
Truth of the matter, those discrepancies as minute and insignificant as they may be, are the normal consequence of an oral tradition and transmission of the gospel.



 

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So you're universalist then? why bother tellign anyone if they are already saved.
This is classified "H" for Hogwash.
I think it's disqualifying to respond to a comment on a public forum and not make the minimum intellectual effort to understand what the other person is saying. Like this comment of yours, for example, that doesn't have anything to do with what I said in post 13.
 
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Truth of the matter, those discrepancies as minute and insignificant as they may be, are the normal consequence of an oral tradition and transmission of the gospel.



Oral tradition?
Define tradition?

Most people take tradition to simply be nothing more than a manmade practice. What is your definition of tradition? Maybe that will help me.

Again, I am at a loss regarding your point. What are you trying to get at?

Can someone assist me with what the underlying meaning in all this is.

Do you believe Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God? If so, why? Why do you believe?
Who told you He is the Christ, the Son of the Living God? What do you base that belief on?

I don't know what to ask. What is the full meaning or implication of your question?




 
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Oral tradition?
Define tradition?

Most people take tradition to simply be nothing more than a manmade practice. What is your definition of tradition? Maybe that will help me.

Again, I am at a loss regarding your point. What are you trying to get at?

Can someone assist me with what the underlying meaning in all this is.

Do you believe Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God? If so, why? Why do you believe?
Who told you He is the Christ, the Son of the Living God? What do you base that belief on?

I don't know what to ask. What is the full meaning or implication of your question?




Is this a Roman Catholic issue?

Guesswho, Did Rome put you up to this?

Don't listen to any old man who wears a red cap, lives in a mansion, believes he is the vicar of Christ, refuses marriages to his servants, who believes he and they can make tap water holy, who is a politician, who accepts worship, who worships Mary, and who is part of a long list of crooks.
 

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I must admit, the thread does "smell" a little of the RCC church claim that not everything they teach and practice is found in the bible but handed down through "church tradition"...

And the Orthopedic church claims the same thing......:p

 
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Is this a Roman Catholic issue?

Guesswho, Did Rome put you up to this?

Don't listen to any old man who wears a red cap, lives in a mansion, believes he is the vicar of Christ, refuses marriages to his servants, who believes he and they can make tap water holy, who is a politician, who accepts worship, who worships Mary, and who is part of a long list of crooks.
I'm responding to my own responses!

Waiting...
 
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Guesswho,
Can you please answer?

Oral tradition?
Define tradition?

Most people take tradition to simply be nothing more than a manmade practice. What is your definition of tradition? Maybe that will help me.

Again, I am at a loss regarding your point. What are you trying to get at?

Can someone assist me with what the underlying meaning in all this is.

Do you believe Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God? If so, why? Why do you believe?
Who told you He is the Christ, the Son of the Living God? What do you base that belief on?

I don't know what to ask. What is the full meaning or implication of your question?




 
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Oral tradition?
Define tradition?

Most people take tradition to simply be nothing more than a manmade practice. What is your definition of tradition? Maybe that will help me.

Again, I am at a loss regarding your point. What are you trying to get at?

Can someone assist me with what the underlying meaning in all this is.

Do you believe Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God? If so, why? Why do you believe?
Who told you He is the Christ, the Son of the Living God? What do you base that belief on?

I don't know what to ask. What is the full meaning or implication of your question?





I think this covers the topic quite well. It talks of tradition vs transmission of the Gospel. It sounds dead on to me...

https://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-oral-tradition.html

To quote the article:

Oral transmission, in and of itself, is not a completely unreliable method, particularly for simpler messages. In a time when most people did not read or write, oral transmission was common, and maintaining the exact original words was considered critical. The real advantage of a written over an oral message is that the writing preserves a snapshot of a message from an instant in time. One can compare the differences between different claims objectively, and a single message can be re-read with identical precision over and over. According to internal and external evidence, the words of the Bible were preserved in written form extremely early as records of fact, not oral traditions.


 

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oh my goodness. You do know that there were books being written prior to the printing press, right? they were HAND WRITTEN. books weren't suddenly invented with the printing press. So yes, Jesus READ the scriptures.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_books
 
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Oral tradition?
Define tradition?

Most people take tradition to simply be nothing more than a manmade practice. What is your definition of tradition? Maybe that will help me.
Tradition, for me, equals christian practices that are not mentioned in the New Testament. For example, the practice of fasting on wednesday and friday. This is a christian tradition/practice that has been confirmed ulteriorly by the discovery of the Didache.

Again, I am at a loss regarding your point. What are you trying to get at?
I agree with the op, that Christianity is NOT the religion of the book (Islam is, not Christianity). Also, Christianity is not supposed to be a religion.

Do you believe Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God? If so, why? Why do you believe?
Yes. Because I chose to.

Who told you He is the Christ, the Son of the Living God? What do you base that belief on?
The Christian Church.

I don't know what to ask. What is the full meaning or implication of your question?

That Christianity is eklessia, not a book.




 
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Oral tradition? Define tradition? Most people take tradition to simply be nothing more than a manmade practice. What is your definition of tradition? Maybe that will help me. Again, I am at a loss regarding your point. What are you trying to get at? Can someone assist me with what the underlying meaning in all this is. Do you believe Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God? If so, why? Why do you believe? Who told you He is the Christ, the Son of the Living God? What do you base that belief on? I don't know what to ask. What is the full meaning or implication of your question?
(Oral Tradition) a community's cultural and historical traditions passed down by word of mouth or example from one generation to another without written instruction. (Tradition) The transmission of customs or beliefs from generation to generation, or the fact of being passed on in this way: A doctrine which has divine authority.
 

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I knew it....
 

Locutus

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You were the one speaking about "Oral Tradition" early on in this thread.
No - you "interpreted" my post in a feeble attempt to establish your opening post....
....while hiding your agenda.


You are advocating "Oral Tradition."
I wasn't born again yesterday....
 

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did He wait 1400 years before showing somebody how to build a printing press?
Magic word "scroll".
 

Locutus

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2Ti 4:13 When you come, bring the cloak that I left with Carpus at Troas, and my scrolls, especially the parchments.