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I see it in a reversed manner...
I do not see myself as special, just because some will perish. I see myself as having been shown great mercy. I was blind for 42 years and then I suddenly just saw. I don't think He saved me because I'm special. I think He healed my blindness because He is merciful, not because I'm special. I didn't choose to see. For decades I didn't see and then I just did. It wasn't a choice to see. It was a mercy and a gift and a healing.
And I don't know if He will give that sight and faith and repentance to another man, but love always hopes. This is why the apostle said we tell others if perhaps He may also grant them faith to saving. We don't know, but we always hope. Love always hopes.
I do not see myself as special, just because some will perish. I see myself as having been shown great mercy. I was blind for 42 years and then I suddenly just saw. I don't think He saved me because I'm special. I think He healed my blindness because He is merciful, not because I'm special. I didn't choose to see. For decades I didn't see and then I just did. It wasn't a choice to see. It was a mercy and a gift and a healing.
And I don't know if He will give that sight and faith and repentance to another man, but love always hopes. This is why the apostle said we tell others if perhaps He may also grant them faith to saving. We don't know, but we always hope. Love always hopes.
Here's part of the issue: My brother falsely accused me of making statements on here that I never made. (He assumed I made statements that I didn't make). I asked for the evidence of that, and it was ignored. Then came the name calling, the accusations and implications of being of the devil, lost, things like that.
That's really sad, and attempt was made to reconcile. On here disagreement = attack, and biblical correction = attack, to some. So, before weighing in and thinking that gentleness was not there, be reminded there is some context to all of this. If you're going to accuse someone, give proof. If you're wrong, apologize for doing it.
And, we're men and women here, man up, woman up, receive correction and leave off the false accusations and name calling.
That's really sad, and attempt was made to reconcile. On here disagreement = attack, and biblical correction = attack, to some. So, before weighing in and thinking that gentleness was not there, be reminded there is some context to all of this. If you're going to accuse someone, give proof. If you're wrong, apologize for doing it.
And, we're men and women here, man up, woman up, receive correction and leave off the false accusations and name calling.
When our Lord hung, he didn't demand an apology - He said, Father forgive them, they don't know what they are doing. He didn't demand an apology. He wasn't worried that no honor was shown him. He expected no honor or respect from men. Why would we?
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P4T, I've been thinking about those 4 phrases (now that I know what they mean )
If your faith saved you, how is it possible that it came from you?
We look at it as pride to say it came from you, by your own choice.
They see it as prideful to say it didn't come from you, from your own choice.
)If your faith saved you, how is it possible that it came from you?
We look at it as pride to say it came from you, by your own choice.
They see it as prideful to say it didn't come from you, from your own choice.
Faith is the work of another is not pride.. It only becomes pride if it becomes faith in self.
Bother liscentious and legalist have the same sin, it is the pride of faith in self.. 1 says no one has the right to tell me how to live, the other says I am righteous enough by my own deeds to be saved.
the man in the water drowning had a choice, Trust the person who came to save him, or trust self (as is the norm) and end up drowning because he refused to trust the one who could save him.
If he was saved because he chose to have faith in the other. He can not boast of that faith.. He can only boast in his savior.. ..
To all appearances, I might say just that. None of them knows God currently. But then, someone may have thought that about me for 4 decades too for all I know. I have no idea if He is waiting for some of them to be ready for love or not. Is it painful? Yes. Does that make me stop hoping or stop praying? No. How do I know He may not grant them faith and repentance to their saving? Am I going to deal with the pain of having family members who don't know Him by claiming I was saved by my own good choice and they are doomed because of their own bad choice? I had nothing to do with my saving. From start to finish it has been Him - the author and finisher of my faith.
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Sister, I couldn't care less if he never apologizes, that is up to him and his integrity, not me, and I am not demanding an apology. Now, a Christian should apologize, but generally they won't, or if they do they'll put a "but" in their apology, which makes it not genuine.
All I'm saying is this is how he has behaved, he will not own up or receive correction, and makes false accusations. Then he blocks. This has no bearing on my walk.
I do, however thank you for your biblical stand, patience, and seeking restoration. Now, restoration would be nice, but I've been around long enough to know that rarely do Christians reconcile mostly because they will not own their faults and wrongdoing.
That being said, I have forgiven him, yet the anger, lies, inability to receive correction are all on his table, not mine. It's shameful, really, that believer's behave this way and carry on, it's quite remarkable behavior and frankly saddening.
For the record, a brother on here, goes by Utah, and he was man enough to offer thanks to a person who offered him correction. That is Christian behavior. I respect that all day long!
Sister, I couldn't care less if he never apologizes, that is up to him and his integrity, not me, and I am not demanding an apology. Now, a Christian should apologize, but generally they won't, or if they do they'll put a "but" in their apology, which makes it not genuine.
All I'm saying is this is how he has behaved, he will not own up or receive correction, and makes false accusations. Then he blocks. This has no bearing on my walk.
I do, however thank you for your biblical stand, patience, and seeking restoration. Now, restoration would be nice, but I've been around long enough to know that rarely do Christians reconcile mostly because they will not own their faults and wrongdoing.
That being said, I have forgiven him, yet the anger, lies, inability to receive correction are all on his table, not mine. It's shameful, really, that believer's behave this way and carry on, it's quite remarkable behavior and frankly saddening.
For the record, a brother on here, goes by Utah, and he was man enough to offer thanks to a person who offered him correction. That is Christian behavior. I respect that all day long!
Jesus said He is the light. He must be light - don't you believe Jesus words? How can you say you are a Christian and not believe Jesus' words?
This is how we can try to "manipulate" others into believing what we believe about a subject and if you don't believe what I believe - you are in error. If you don't agree with me - then you are not receiving my "correction". This is the game that we all can play.
We so desperately need revelation from the Holy Spirit to reveal Christ to us in the scriptures just like Mary was totally dependent on the Holy Spirit to conceive Jesus in her womb.
Without Him - we come up with our own human carnal reasonings.
God says as far as the heavens is above the earth which is billions of light years from this planet - so are My thoughts and My ways above yours.
This is how we can try to "manipulate" others into believing what we believe about a subject and if you don't believe what I believe - you are in error. If you don't agree with me - then you are not receiving my "correction". This is the game that we all can play.
We so desperately need revelation from the Holy Spirit to reveal Christ to us in the scriptures just like Mary was totally dependent on the Holy Spirit to conceive Jesus in her womb.
Without Him - we come up with our own human carnal reasonings.
God says as far as the heavens is above the earth which is billions of light years from this planet - so are My thoughts and My ways above yours.
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This is a straw man argument. The Lord chooses who the Lord chooses.
We are all fallen and lost until He calls and lays at our door the offer of love and salvation.
Simply the person standing next does not see, so will not respond.
We do not know what enlivens some while others do not respond, but this is the reality
in life.
I have shared the Lord with many, but few show any interest. Why is this?
We are all fallen and lost until He calls and lays at our door the offer of love and salvation.
Simply the person standing next does not see, so will not respond.
We do not know what enlivens some while others do not respond, but this is the reality
in life.
I have shared the Lord with many, but few show any interest. Why is this?
You've had a lot of conversation with me, probably enough to know that I do not condemn anyone - we went round and round about that recently if you recall. I have never and will never say I am chosen by God and my neighbor is not. I will only say God chose me to reveal His Son to, in His great mercy. How would I know He will not grant the same to my neighbor?
And actually, no, it doesn't matter what others see it as. You see me as prideful. And no, it doesn't matter. It matters what God sees in my heart. He judges rightly and looks on the heart of a man.
The problem is that you assume I say my neighbor is not chosen. I do not say that. You just assume I say that. I don't say that. In fact, we had an involved discussion in which you kept trying to GET me to say it and I refused. And yet, you will say by your own hand, by your own choice, you decided to be saved and your neighbor decided not to. So you are the one who condemns him, not me.
And actually, no, it doesn't matter what others see it as. You see me as prideful. And no, it doesn't matter. It matters what God sees in my heart. He judges rightly and looks on the heart of a man.
The problem is that you assume I say my neighbor is not chosen. I do not say that. You just assume I say that. I don't say that. In fact, we had an involved discussion in which you kept trying to GET me to say it and I refused. And yet, you will say by your own hand, by your own choice, you decided to be saved and your neighbor decided not to. So you are the one who condemns him, not me.
I hear you Many people here who call themselves Christian do not apologize even after the most appalling behavior towards others. I have just had someone falsely accuse me of multiple things I neither said nor did, while they were throwing around their self righteous outrage because I pointed out an error in something they had asserted as fact. Rebuking me in the name of Christ when they are wrong, and lying about other things as well does not look good on them, but somehow they believe they are in the right to lie to me and about me and vilify me for their delusions. It is puzzling at times except to acknowledge that people are deceived.
Many people here who call themselves Christian do not apologize even after the most appalling behavior towards others. I have just had someone falsely accuse me of multiple things I neither said nor did, while they were throwing around their self righteous outrage because I pointed out an error in something they had asserted as fact. Rebuking me in the name of Christ when they are wrong, and lying about other things as well does not look good on them, but somehow they believe they are in the right to lie to me and about me and vilify me for their delusions. It is puzzling at times except to acknowledge that people are deceived.
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1st off. It was he who did the things he accused me of. You should know me, when people ask,. I give proof, I did it with peter how many times?
Againb, it is ok,, He is ignored. If he wants to talk as a Christian talks, and discuss things without name calling. I will unignor him, as long as he want to act like he does,, Then I learned from my discussions with another person you know well. Just not worth the back and forth.
Againb, it is ok,, He is ignored. If he wants to talk as a Christian talks, and discuss things without name calling. I will unignor him, as long as he want to act like he does,, Then I learned from my discussions with another person you know well. Just not worth the back and forth.
I hear you Many people here who call themselves Christian do not apologize even after the most appalling behavior towards others. I have just had someone falsely accuse me of multiple things I neither said nor did, while they were throwing around their self righteous outrage because I pointed out an error in something they had asserted as fact. Rebuking me in the name of Christ and lying about other things as well does not look good on them, but somehow they believe they are in the right to lie to me and about me and vilify me for their delusions. It is puzzling at times except to acknowledge that people are deceived.
Many people here who call themselves Christian do not apologize even after the most appalling behavior towards others. I have just had someone falsely accuse me of multiple things I neither said nor did, while they were throwing around their self righteous outrage because I pointed out an error in something they had asserted as fact. Rebuking me in the name of Christ and lying about other things as well does not look good on them, but somehow they believe they are in the right to lie to me and about me and vilify me for their delusions. It is puzzling at times except to acknowledge that people are deceived.
Funny thing is, they call correction an attack, while, you know, they falsely accuse and call names. (quite callow, too!) But anyhow, LOL!!!!!!
Gotta head to work. God bless you, and all of you including the brother who has blocked me.
I just looked at the TULIP. all points are false
Humans are NOT totally depraved, we are born with the capabilities to do good or do evil. Some of the people who believed this back in the days thought that even unbaptized babies went to hell. CRAZY!
People have the capability to search God, infact He tells them to repent and come to me QUITE OFTEN, and if they cant repent unless He magically grants it, whats the point? its all just one big drama show
Humans are NOT totally depraved, we are born with the capabilities to do good or do evil. Some of the people who believed this back in the days thought that even unbaptized babies went to hell. CRAZY!
People have the capability to search God, infact He tells them to repent and come to me QUITE OFTEN, and if they cant repent unless He magically grants it, whats the point? its all just one big drama show
Even atheists think that they can be good people. But that's not what the Lord has said.
Mark 10:18 [FONT="]And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.[/FONT]
Is the Atonement for people who reject Christ? If so, then everyone is saved and the bible is pointless. No real reason to search the scriptures. Everyone is already saved.
This one I'm not 100% sure of. It makes sense that the Atonement only applies to the saved. But how can I know for sure?
How could they Resist Gods Spirit unless they were totally depraved?
When Goodness encouraged them why did they not do good?
Perseverance means even if you fail, you get back up and try again.
You know why?
John 6:68-69
[FONT="]68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.[/FONT]
[FONT="]69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.[/FONT]
I'm bowing out of this part of the conversation. Neither of you is going to humble himself before the other on the matter, so both will just lose. You can't admit you are not gentle as you could be in your conversation sometimes - it is always someone elses fault that you are not gentle. Now he also does it. He thinks he was gentle as a lamb in that post and thinks no speck of pride was in it. You both have met your match. Carry on in any manner you want to and go on thinking neither of you has an ounce of pride. One day we all may get to that same level of no pride just as the two of you have. I won't comment any more on it. Carry on. Forgive my intrusion.