We are on the same merry-go-round. This is a total waste of time actually but I will give out more scripture for those readers that don't know about the truth that we are safe in Christ.
You believe it is up to the individual to maintain their own salvation and others believe it is actually Christ Himself and what He has done by His perfect work on the cross and resurrection that has saved us. You are entitled to believe whatever you desire.
Do a Greek verb tense study on Eph. 2:8-9 and see what the "perfect tense" means in Greek and I believe it will help - if not you - it will help others.
Again there are some people that don't believe Jesus is lying to us when He said that the Holy Spirit will be with us and in us forever. John 14:16
Here is what Paul said about those people that were living by the flesh in Corinth. Notice he didn't say that they were unsaved now and lost their salvation. I know this truth of what Christ has done is hard on our natural reasonings and some of our church doctrines that deny the work of Christ but Paul encountered the same things.
I believe that the Holy Spirit knew what He was doing when He had Paul write 1 Corinthians.
Some of them were going to temple prostitutes for sex, they were taking each other to court, they were in divisions and strife, they were not treating the poor amongst them right...etc.
Paul was saying that those in Corinth were acting like mere men and men of flesh - in other words not being spiritually minded.
1 Corinthians 3:1-4 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual men, but as to men of flesh, as to infants in Christ.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] I gave you milk to drink, not solid food; for you were not yet able to receive it. Indeed, even now you are not yet able,
[SUP]3 [/SUP] for you are still fleshly. For since there is jealousy and strife among you, are you not fleshly, and are you not walking like mere men?
[SUP]4 [/SUP] For when one says, "I am of Paul," and another, "I am of Apollos," are you not mere men?
Notice that in verse 1 Paul says that they are "babes in Christ".
- not that you are going to hell because you are sinning. Or that because they were sinning - that they are not born of God.
You believe it is up to the individual to maintain their own salvation and others believe it is actually Christ Himself and what He has done by His perfect work on the cross and resurrection that has saved us. You are entitled to believe whatever you desire.
Do a Greek verb tense study on Eph. 2:8-9 and see what the "perfect tense" means in Greek and I believe it will help - if not you - it will help others.
Again there are some people that don't believe Jesus is lying to us when He said that the Holy Spirit will be with us and in us forever. John 14:16
Here is what Paul said about those people that were living by the flesh in Corinth. Notice he didn't say that they were unsaved now and lost their salvation. I know this truth of what Christ has done is hard on our natural reasonings and some of our church doctrines that deny the work of Christ but Paul encountered the same things.
I believe that the Holy Spirit knew what He was doing when He had Paul write 1 Corinthians.
Some of them were going to temple prostitutes for sex, they were taking each other to court, they were in divisions and strife, they were not treating the poor amongst them right...etc.
Paul was saying that those in Corinth were acting like mere men and men of flesh - in other words not being spiritually minded.
1 Corinthians 3:1-4 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual men, but as to men of flesh, as to infants in Christ.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] I gave you milk to drink, not solid food; for you were not yet able to receive it. Indeed, even now you are not yet able,
[SUP]3 [/SUP] for you are still fleshly. For since there is jealousy and strife among you, are you not fleshly, and are you not walking like mere men?
[SUP]4 [/SUP] For when one says, "I am of Paul," and another, "I am of Apollos," are you not mere men?
Notice that in verse 1 Paul says that they are "babes in Christ".
- not that you are going to hell because you are sinning. Or that because they were sinning - that they are not born of God.
For by grace you are saved through faith; and this is not of yourselves; (it is) of God the gift.
The 2nd warning is given in the greek interlinear verse.
Grace and faith are both a noun, feminine, and singular.
Gift is a noun, neuter, and singular.
We have to first look and see that gift being neuter doesn't match feminine even though all three are singular.Only implying gift is matched to another word in the verse.
This is a demonstrative pronoun which is always followed by a noun This is neuter and singular which matches the following noun gift.
And so the gift is matched with this. But now the question is since this is singular and referring to one word or concept. But obviously, we can't know because grace and faith are feminine. So now we understand this must be referred to the concept of the subject at hand.
We have to study it in context to see is Paul speaking of at all inephesians about faith being the gift of God at any other point. In fact, he does not but is heavily focused on grace. So this is warning 3.
Warning four is seeing what the word gift is related to throughout the NT since the greek word in Ephesians 2:8 is used once. You do not have to go very far to finda example. In Ephesians 3:7
Ephesians 3:7New International Version (NIV)
7 I became a servant of this gospel by the gift of God’s grace given me through the working of his power.
Romans 6:23Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)
23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
And so with all these clues pointing to gift being referred to a singular concept and in context it is obvious what this concept is. The gift is referred to grace.