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You keep burning heretics on here, and there ain't gonna be hardly anybody left. 
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Speaking of kids...let's "train them up in the way they should go". When they are older they won't depart from it." ( this is a true statement however to the religious mind - it's "application" is somewhat different )
Let me clarify. If we delight in God nature, His concepts and precepts that He
built the nation of Israel with, that Christ died to establish, written in the hearts
and minds of the elect, we are lost and wrong,
but if we accept that knowing the name Jesus and believing He gives us a free
ticket to heaven is Gods true message.
Now I know I am not going to persuade you otherwise, but as long as this divide
is clear, I would not want any confusion going on.
The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.
Gal 5:6
Do you know what love is?
Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends.
John 15:13
A closed heart will never understand these realities.
Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me.
Rev 3:20
I thought I came to people who knew Christ, sadly I was mistaken.
built the nation of Israel with, that Christ died to establish, written in the hearts
and minds of the elect, we are lost and wrong,
but if we accept that knowing the name Jesus and believing He gives us a free
ticket to heaven is Gods true message.
Now I know I am not going to persuade you otherwise, but as long as this divide
is clear, I would not want any confusion going on.
The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.
Gal 5:6
Do you know what love is?
Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends.
John 15:13
A closed heart will never understand these realities.
Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me.
Rev 3:20
I thought I came to people who knew Christ, sadly I was mistaken.
“‘Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great!’ She has become a dwelling for demons
and a haunt for every impure spirit, a haunt for every unclean bird,
a haunt for every unclean and detestable animal.
For all the nations have drunk the maddening wine of her adulteries.
The kings of the earth committed adultery with her, and the merchants of
the earth grew rich from her excessive luxuries.”
Then I heard another voice from heaven say:
“‘Come out of her, my people,’ so that you will not share in her sins,
so that you will not receive any of her plagues; for her sins are piled up to heaven,
and God has remembered her crimes.
Give back to her as she has given; pay her back double for what she has done.
Pour her a double portion from her own cup.
Give her as much torment and grief as the glory and luxury she gave herself.
In her heart she boasts, ‘I sit enthroned as queen.
I am not a widow; I will never mourn.’
Therefore in one day her plagues will overtake her: death, mourning and famine.
She will be consumed by fire, for mighty is the Lord God who judges her.
Rev 18:2-8
and a haunt for every impure spirit, a haunt for every unclean bird,
a haunt for every unclean and detestable animal.
For all the nations have drunk the maddening wine of her adulteries.
The kings of the earth committed adultery with her, and the merchants of
the earth grew rich from her excessive luxuries.”
Then I heard another voice from heaven say:
“‘Come out of her, my people,’ so that you will not share in her sins,
so that you will not receive any of her plagues; for her sins are piled up to heaven,
and God has remembered her crimes.
Give back to her as she has given; pay her back double for what she has done.
Pour her a double portion from her own cup.
Give her as much torment and grief as the glory and luxury she gave herself.
In her heart she boasts, ‘I sit enthroned as queen.
I am not a widow; I will never mourn.’
Therefore in one day her plagues will overtake her: death, mourning and famine.
She will be consumed by fire, for mighty is the Lord God who judges her.
Rev 18:2-8
dc - Yes,
When I survey the wondrous cross
On which the Prince of glory died,
My richest gain I count but loss,
And pour contempt on all my pride.
Forbid it, Lord, that I should boast,
Save in the death of Christ my God!
All the vain things that charm me most,
I sacrifice them to His blood.
See from His head, His hands, His feet,
Sorrow and love flow mingled down!
Did e’er such love and sorrow meet,
Or thorns compose so rich a crown?
Were the whole realm of nature mine,
That were a present far too small;
Love so amazing, so divine,
Demands my soul, my life, my all.
[video=youtube;mDkuxEIcpdI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDkuxEIcpdI[/video]
When I survey the wondrous cross
On which the Prince of glory died,
My richest gain I count but loss,
And pour contempt on all my pride.
Forbid it, Lord, that I should boast,
Save in the death of Christ my God!
All the vain things that charm me most,
I sacrifice them to His blood.
See from His head, His hands, His feet,
Sorrow and love flow mingled down!
Did e’er such love and sorrow meet,
Or thorns compose so rich a crown?
Were the whole realm of nature mine,
That were a present far too small;
Love so amazing, so divine,
Demands my soul, my life, my all.
[video=youtube;mDkuxEIcpdI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDkuxEIcpdI[/video]
The Sky is blue when there are no clouds in it and it is daylight
They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done. Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.
2 Peter 2:13
he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore,
“they are before the throne of God and serve him day and night in his temple;
and he who sits on the throne will shelter them with his presence.
‘Never again will they hunger; never again will they thirst.
The sun will not beat down on them,’ nor any scorching heat.
For the Lamb at the center of the throne will be their shepherd;
‘he will lead them to springs of living water.’
‘And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.'
Rev 7:14-17
They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done. Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.
2 Peter 2:13
he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore,
“they are before the throne of God and serve him day and night in his temple;
and he who sits on the throne will shelter them with his presence.
‘Never again will they hunger; never again will they thirst.
The sun will not beat down on them,’ nor any scorching heat.
For the Lamb at the center of the throne will be their shepherd;
‘he will lead them to springs of living water.’
‘And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.'
Rev 7:14-17
That could be reciprocated.
Ypu need to be very very very careful when judging whether people who differ with your theology whether they know Jesus or not. You are playing God here and quite frankly you are not God.
All sides here can quote bible verses that back up their theology and to be honest and all us focus on Jesus as saviour and Lord.
That being the case you have no right to judge whether people or not know Jesus.
Jesus is perfectly capable to judge at the end of time and with 100% certainty. Unlike you.
Ypu need to be very very very careful when judging whether people who differ with your theology whether they know Jesus or not. You are playing God here and quite frankly you are not God.
All sides here can quote bible verses that back up their theology and to be honest and all us focus on Jesus as saviour and Lord.
That being the case you have no right to judge whether people or not know Jesus.
Jesus is perfectly capable to judge at the end of time and with 100% certainty. Unlike you.
Bill, I am honest with you, and you are with me.
I started simply with these guys, and they disowned me, and pushed me away, and decided
I needed converting. So with a history like this I am not talking about something I no little
about. Generally I live well with everyone and have worked in multi-denominational organisations,
and take people as they come.
So if I get told my points which are biblical core belief issues are sinful, evil and wrong, it is
not me who is defining my enemies, they are. You can make your friends with who you want
but I know my walk before the Lord and why I speak as I do. I answer to Him.
The funny thing is I can be insulted, abused, lied about disowned, but if I reflect this back,
they cry foul. But such is the way of such people, because they do not know the Holy
Spirit and the ways of peace.
I started simply with these guys, and they disowned me, and pushed me away, and decided
I needed converting. So with a history like this I am not talking about something I no little
about. Generally I live well with everyone and have worked in multi-denominational organisations,
and take people as they come.
So if I get told my points which are biblical core belief issues are sinful, evil and wrong, it is
not me who is defining my enemies, they are. You can make your friends with who you want
but I know my walk before the Lord and why I speak as I do. I answer to Him.
The funny thing is I can be insulted, abused, lied about disowned, but if I reflect this back,
they cry foul. But such is the way of such people, because they do not know the Holy
Spirit and the ways of peace.