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i know but someones responce could say otherwise which as you know its not always good to tempt.....I mean i wouldnt want to put a stubling block in front of you to say faith is not enough,,,,,, I dont want to take away from something good but someone else could quite easily,,, by your responce....
Isaiah 5:20 20Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil;
Isaiah 5:20 20Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil;
Maybe something youve never been showed befor But Jesus considered mary blessed and blessed means holy in the bible..
Luke 1:48..
For He has regarded the lowly state of His maidservant;
For behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed.
Do we not honor our saints enough ? and fellow saints (christians)...
Luke 1:48..
For He has regarded the lowly state of His maidservant;
For behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed.
Do we not honor our saints enough ? and fellow saints (christians)...
I respect your willingness and time to write all this and i understand what your trying to say but a lot of what your calling as evidence is really just your interpretations of scripture to fit your beliefs.
As to mine is also, i see my beliefs in txt, greek interlinear, other believers, and my soul.
The crazy part is you see scripture i post one way and i understand scripture you post in another way.
But you didnt tell me how do you interpret the words i had posted
In less you are trying to say that those wasnt directed to believers.
Your looking for 2 words lost salvation. And you believe any time these verses is speaking about falling away, apostasy etc, that it may be spoken to believers but he didn't really mean it to be to them.
I do not see this and no falling away is not losing salvation. Its a warning that could lead to apostasy.
Is apostasy going to save you? No of course not. So what has to happen for apostasy to happen? One must be a believer and then turn away from the faith. Thus committing apostasy. A false believer or non believers can not commit apostasy if they never had truly believed. Its so simple.
Your looking for lost salvation, but i guess its just comes down to is scripture speaking to believers about apostasy. And is committing apostasy a deny salvation act. Because really all the warnings point to warning from apostasy or false teachers.
Of course you can deny it if they are not speaking to believers but each time scripture is addressing believers. I have not seen you prove that wrong.
The hope implying is not the cross the fingers type. Its really a word saying the promise of the cross. That is what we hold to in faith. We eagerly wait unto the day to take hold of this hope.
Like i said if your in faith you can easily say in confidence i am saved. This is the past tense meaning. Having faith means your saved.
So it just comes down to honestly speaking we interpret some scriptures differently and i think the main points of interpretation we disagree on is.
1. Is the scriptures referencing falling away, apostasy, etc. Spoken to believers?
2. What is apostasy and is it real or a myth? Can someone who believes turn from that belief.
3. Is apostasy a willful denial of grace.
Apostasy, blasphemy, and false teachers is what all the warnings is pointed to.
4. So again can apostasy, blasphemy be a act of denying grace. And can false teachers lead believers unto that point or unto a point of belief in a different gospel.
As to mine is also, i see my beliefs in txt, greek interlinear, other believers, and my soul.
The crazy part is you see scripture i post one way and i understand scripture you post in another way.
But you didnt tell me how do you interpret the words i had posted
In less you are trying to say that those wasnt directed to believers.
Your looking for 2 words lost salvation. And you believe any time these verses is speaking about falling away, apostasy etc, that it may be spoken to believers but he didn't really mean it to be to them.
I do not see this and no falling away is not losing salvation. Its a warning that could lead to apostasy.
Is apostasy going to save you? No of course not. So what has to happen for apostasy to happen? One must be a believer and then turn away from the faith. Thus committing apostasy. A false believer or non believers can not commit apostasy if they never had truly believed. Its so simple.
Your looking for lost salvation, but i guess its just comes down to is scripture speaking to believers about apostasy. And is committing apostasy a deny salvation act. Because really all the warnings point to warning from apostasy or false teachers.
Of course you can deny it if they are not speaking to believers but each time scripture is addressing believers. I have not seen you prove that wrong.
The hope implying is not the cross the fingers type. Its really a word saying the promise of the cross. That is what we hold to in faith. We eagerly wait unto the day to take hold of this hope.
Like i said if your in faith you can easily say in confidence i am saved. This is the past tense meaning. Having faith means your saved.
So it just comes down to honestly speaking we interpret some scriptures differently and i think the main points of interpretation we disagree on is.
1. Is the scriptures referencing falling away, apostasy, etc. Spoken to believers?
2. What is apostasy and is it real or a myth? Can someone who believes turn from that belief.
3. Is apostasy a willful denial of grace.
Apostasy, blasphemy, and false teachers is what all the warnings is pointed to.
4. So again can apostasy, blasphemy be a act of denying grace. And can false teachers lead believers unto that point or unto a point of belief in a different gospel.
39 But we are not those who draw back and are destroyed, but those who have faith and obtain life.
You see this one way and i see it as basically having confidence in his readers that they will not be those who draw back. Not as evidence to discredit the whole conversation above it directed to his readers lol
You see this one way and i see it as basically having confidence in his readers that they will not be those who draw back. Not as evidence to discredit the whole conversation above it directed to his readers lol