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People are allowed to have their own opinions but to slander people that have a different ministry then what they or others do is not wise and is in fact IMO - causing strife and division amongst us.

Some just twist what others are saying to make it "appear" to be something totally different and mis-represent what is really being said. Some things are just a disagreement in a certain doctrine so then they feel free to slander them now. Some is just outright malice towards others but God who knows our hearts will deal with that kind of stuff in all of us.

This principle below remains true even though it is talking about the various doctrines of eating, observing certain days, feasts..etc. They are all doctrines or teachings.

Romans 14:4 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

Slander means "false allegations." This is NOT false.

And who am I to judge? "Do you not know we will judge angels?"
1 Cor. 6:1-11 (which for the record doesn't find it too insulting to tell what happens to nonbelievers.)
[FONT=&quot]When one of you has a grievance against another, does he dare go to law before the unrighteous instead of the saints? 2 Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world is to be judged by you, are you incompetent to try trivial cases? 3 Do you not know that we are to judge angels? How much more, then, matters pertaining to this life! 4 So if you have such cases, why do you lay them before those who have no standing in the church? 5 I say this to your shame. Can it be that there is no one among you wise enough to settle a dispute between the brothers, 6 but brother goes to law against brother, and that before unbelievers? 7 To have lawsuits at all with one another is already a defeat for you. Why not rather suffer wrong? Why not rather be defrauded? 8 But you yourselves wrong and defraud—even your own brothers![a][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.[/FONT]

 

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Romans 2:14 ►
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(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law.

They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.)


I believe that God is the ultimate judge and God tells us to judge ourselves and those within the Body of Christ and leave the rest to Him.

And we are doing that. Judging someone who is supposedly "in the church." You can't play both sides and sound reasonable. Especially as you keep going on judging all of us for judging!

You are doing the very thing you are telling us not to do!

 

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Your video was rebuking Joel for not proclaiming the gospel.

I was pointing out that the same rebuke could be applied to you, because you don't proclaim the gospel either.

Have fun with your witch hunting,but by all means avoid mirrors or you might actually see or hurt yourself.

And you are proclaiming the gospel... how?

Again, you rebuke people rebuking for rebuking. Makes. No. Sense.

 

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I also want to remind that our suspicion of others is what happened during the time of Elisha

it is a good reminder for all of us to just pray for one another and not to have a part with those who say "will you go up with me to Ramoth Gilead"

thinking ouselves in service to GOD to right an offense (so we suppose) against GOD when we were told specifically not to uproot Not to break faith with one another but to avenge what is not in our right to avenge

You have to have faith first before breaking faith. I have never seen Osteens faith in God. I have seen his faith in encouraging/pep rallying, but not faith in God. That IS the charge.

I'm asking people not to follow a guy who has no faith in the Lord.

 

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because you say so

right

got it

of course with a handle like preacherfortruth we can all just take your word for it

the thing is, the actual thing, is that you in all your super duper truth, cannot handle anyone saying wait a minute there

I can handle more then you any day of the week and twice on the week-ends

it's not really your thread though, is it. it's actually the thread of one Steve Lawson. you are just parroting

the Bible is not your personal passport to telling everyone else how righteous what you believe is and if the rest of us want to get to heaven, we need to emulate you

do you have the slightest idea how tiresome and repetitious and backed into a corner of your own making you sound with what you write?

sound doctrine is not sound because you say so

you are not the measuring stick for sound doctrine

you are just another finger pointer who gets his jollies by tearing other people down and calling it the gospel

this amateur posturing that is done, this calling others names, saying they have itching ears, saying they don't love the truth, is a very tired old soapbox that is used over and over again on forums that appear to sustain a Christian audience all over the world

it has become like an old rooster then just can't quite crow as loud as he used to but still has to thump his chest

the audience is dwindling as people seek God and realize they need His Spirit to lead them and not some stuffed shirt of a preacher who makes his living, not by preaching Jesus and life, but by preaching words flung like spears at people he does not even know

You said you were an independent thinker. I assumed you were like me and looked it up yourself. Honestly? Doesn't look like that. It looks like you're after unity at all cost! False gospel is too high a price!

 

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you don't have to think of something good Lynn

my gripe is with the constant negativity and nastiness in the forums

preacher here thinks if we disagree with his diatribe, we have itching ears, don't love the truth etc

that is not true and that is the type of nasty posting nobody needs

ps...anything but cherry pie. perhaps blueberry or apple crisp or peach?

Actually, that was strawberry pie. lol

This, again, goes back where we started. Remember me saying this before? The two are connected.

Joseph Prince "doctrine." Joel Osteen "doctrine." Two slabs on the same roll of bologna.

I really do not expect you to agree with me. I do ask you do the research though. It does sound good on the surface, but it's like an iceberg. We only see 10% unless we look underneath.

I won't argue against or for most preachers. Even the ones I like I can spot something wrong in what they say. (MacArthur comes to mind.)

I just got my first taste of Lawson, and can't say I'll be going back for more.

The ones I don't know? IDK, so I won't argue them. BUT I will tell (and keep telling, since you've seen that already) which ones are false teacher. The list is small. Well, the list is probably fairly large, but I don't keep up with preachers that much, so my list is small. I can name three off the bat. All three have been mentioned on this thread. They are bad for the church. They destroy lives for profit!

 

[preacher4truth]

You said you were an independent thinker. I assumed you were like me and looked it up yourself. Honestly? Doesn't look like that. It looks like you're after unity at all cost! False gospel is too high a price!

BAMMMMM! NAILED!!!!!! The only nastiness and negativity in this thread is the attacks of the Osteen-ites and/or those who won't endure sound doctrine.

Their hypocrisy is over the top, plus the lies.

Let's see, they nail me, for posting a very good video on exhortation and exposing error, attack Lawson and MacArthur while decrying the video as an attack. Not one thing in the video was an attack. These people need to spend some time in the Word, but they might read 2 Peter, Jude, 1 and 2 Timothy, Titus, Galatians and etc and get offended.

Maybe these same will also get offended at Paul for exposing false teachers, there is only one book written by Paul did he not address false teachers and that lone book is Philemon.

Yes, the church is becoming more theologically inept. Those preaching sound teaching are attacked, those who are not, like Osteen are defended.

Maybe these ought to rip the parts out of their NT that deal with, expose and rebuke false teachers. You know, that stuff is so "negative and nasty".

 

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THAT is the overreaching truth in almost all this Witch-Hunting. They seem to have to take down someone to get noticed.

And Willie knows about witch hunts. He knows all the "theys" and we are all "they" to him.

Willie, this IS one of two ways you get noticed on here witch hunting, your style!

 

[preacher4truth]

And Willie knows about witch hunts. He knows all the "theys" and we are all "they" to him.

Willie, this IS one of two ways you get noticed on here witch hunting, your style!

Interesting fact is Willie is well known for nasty one liner drive by's in threads. Quite trollish, so I just skip right past his comments. He doesn't like sound doctrine either, he simply searches for the naysayers and joins in.

 

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LOL..I love that!....Everyone else has "itching ears" if they don't view a subject like "I or my group" does. We can be such children in our thinking. Sometimes it's just an opportunity for the flesh to exhibit itself with malice.

To be truthful ..IMO - living in malice towards others and slandering them because they have a different viewpoint on a subject is no different then those that say living a homosexual lifestyle is ok.

But sometimes in things like these = this truth below can come in handy.

Romans 14:22 (NASB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] The faith which you have, have as your own conviction before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves.

Ohhhhh! Thank you! I didn't get that gif, until you explained it. lol

 

[preacher4truth]

To be truthful ..IMO - living in malice towards others and slandering them because they have a different viewpoint

No one slandered and it's not malicious to expose false teachers so get your facts straight and stop bearing false witness. Let's apply your nonsense to Christ, Paul, Peter, Jude. They too would all be considered malicious and slanderous. IOW what you're saying isn't true because it cannot be consistently applied.

And, by the way, false doctrine isn't a differing opinion, it's called heresy.

 

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What I saw from the actual interview (at least the portion which was posted here) I did not see anything wrong in Joel's response to the telephone caller

Not knowing how to answer "How about people who don't believe in the triune God of the Bible" isn't wrong? Especially from someone who proclaims himself a preacher? Do you expect your pastor to know absolutely nothing, including even the basic gospel message? If you don't, then I do understand why you found nothing wrong with it.

BUT, I would suggest finding a church that preaches the Bible.

 

[preacher4truth]

Hey Grace777,

Let's examine this further, your standard of calling others who endure sound doctrine malicious and slanderous, and calling heresy 'a differing opinion'.

Now, let's apply your standard and rule, to, say, YOU. In many posts I see you referring to others in bad ways, calling them pharisees, trolls, false teachers and the like.

No, you can't do that, they only have a "differing opinion" and you sir are being malicious and slanderous.

See how that works?

You sir are being a hypocrite with at least a DOUBLE standard.

 

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BAMMMMM! NAILED!!!!!! The only nastiness and negativity in this thread is the attacks of the Osteen-ites and/or those who won't endure sound doctrine.

Their hypocrisy is over the top, plus the lies.

Let's see, they nail me, for posting a very good video on exhortation and exposing error, attack Lawson and MacArthur while decrying the video as an attack. Not one thing in the video was an attack. These people need to spend some time in the Word, but they might read 2 Peter, Jude, 1 and 2 Timothy, Titus, Galatians and etc and get offended.

Maybe these same will also get offended at Paul for exposing false teachers, there is only one book written by Paul did he not address false teachers and that lone book is Philemon.

Yes, the church is becoming more theologically inept. Those preaching sound teaching are attacked, those who are not, like Osteen are defended.

Maybe these ought to rip the parts out of their NT that deal with, expose and rebuke false teachers. You know, that stuff is so "negative and nasty".

Honestly? I won't ever listen to Lawson again. He's too nasty!

And you've had your fair share of nasty too.

I'm guessing I probably have too.

I get it though. Everyone is passionate for "their guy." Some are sticking up and some are sticking it to. Very sticky!

 

[preacher4truth]

Honestly? I won't ever listen to Lawson again. He's too nasty!

And you've had your fair share of nasty too.

Perhaps, but not in this thread.

I'm guessing I probably have too.

Well, I agree with a lot you say, but you're well known for being very nasty with others. I see it in lot's of threads.

I get it though. Everyone is passionate for "their guy." Some are sticking up and some are sticking it to. Very sticky!

Yep, the Osteen-ites are passionate for their guy. I'm for whomever preaches truth, no matter their name.

 

[sevenseas]

You said you were an independent thinker. I assumed you were like me and looked it up yourself. Honestly? Doesn't look like that. It looks like you're after unity at all cost! False gospel is too high a price!

this is disappointing Lynn

truly

you are simply bashing someone you don't really know

I think you have gone beyond what you know to try to make a point

you would not want to be judged the way you have just judged

I think I will just leave it at that because it seems you are getting...er...heated up and might be sorry for some things you said later

there are personality clashes going on here far past any sort of reasonable exchange regarding scripture

and the sock puppets agree

that is all that is going on here. yes, sock puppets like my posts and I as a sock puppet do the same

you have no idea whether I look at myself or not

unreasonable and sadly so

 

[sevenseas]

Actually, that was strawberry pie. lol

This, again, goes back where we started. Remember me saying this before? The two are connected.

Joseph Prince "doctrine." Joel Osteen "doctrine." Two slabs on the same roll of bologna.

I really do not expect you to agree with me. I do ask you do the research though. It does sound good on the surface, but it's like an iceberg. We only see 10% unless we look underneath.

I won't argue against or for most preachers. Even the ones I like I can spot something wrong in what they say. (MacArthur comes to mind.)

I just got my first taste of Lawson, and can't say I'll be going back for more.

The ones I don't know? IDK, so I won't argue them. BUT I will tell (and keep telling, since you've seen that already) which ones are false teacher. The list is small. Well, the list is probably fairly large, but I don't keep up with preachers that much, so my list is small. I can name three off the bat. All three have been mentioned on this thread. They are bad for the church. They destroy lives for profit!

was it? couldn't tell

all you need to know about me is that I endorse few and far between when it comes to those I allow to teach me or preach to or at me

few and far

and I don't force them on others and tell them they have itching ears if they do not agree with me

having fallen through the thin ice of my own beliefs, I understand we can be as treacherous to ourselves as we think others are

I genuinely like you for yourself and would like to keep it that way

it's fine to disagree, but lets not knife each other

 

[sevenseas]

BAMMMMM! NAILED!!!!!! The only nastiness and negativity in this thread is the attacks of the Osteen-ites and/or those who won't endure sound doctrine.

Their hypocrisy is over the top, plus the lies.

Let's see, they nail me, for posting a very good video on exhortation and exposing error, attack Lawson and MacArthur while decrying the video as an attack. Not one thing in the video was an attack. These people need to spend some time in the Word, but they might read 2 Peter, Jude, 1 and 2 Timothy, Titus, Galatians and etc and get offended.

Maybe these same will also get offended at Paul for exposing false teachers, there is only one book written by Paul did he not address false teachers and that lone book is Philemon.

Yes, the church is becoming more theologically inept. Those preaching sound teaching are attacked, those who are not, like Osteen are defended.

Maybe these ought to rip the parts out of their NT that deal with, expose and rebuke false teachers. You know, that stuff is so "negative and nasty".

you do scratch like a chicken to find something you can peck at, don't you!

ridiculous assertions coming from you but nothing said about the double standard salvation touted by the hero of the video you posted who asserts one has to pay for their gift

don't run into yourself while explaining the double helix

calling myself and others hypocrite and liar is exactly why I object to what you are doing here

you seem to see nothing of Christ in other believers unless it is your own reflection looking back at you

tiresome and exactly how I would expect you to be

 

[Grace777x70]

Hey Grace777,

Let's examine this further, your standard of calling others who endure sound doctrine malicious and slanderous, and calling heresy 'a differing opinion'.

Now, let's apply your standard and rule, to, say, YOU. In many posts I see you referring to others in bad ways, calling them pharisees, trolls, false teachers and the like.

No, you can't do that, they only have a "differing opinion" and you sir are being malicious and slanderous.

See how that works?

You sir are being a hypocrite with at least a DOUBLE standard.

Show me where I have named individuals as Pharisees, trolls, false teachers. I'll wait for the posts that prove this. Thank you.

Other then that - I don't interact with those that continue to exhibit bad behavior. I'm trying to stop myself from being defiled by the bad behavior as we all can get our flesh acting up!

So, I await your confirming posts to prove what you have accused. If and when you show me this - I will repent as I don't believe it is right behavior. Thanks... Bless you!

 

[preacher4truth]

Show me where I have named individuals as Pharisees, trolls, false teachers. I'll wait for the posts that prove this. Thank you.

Oh, give me a break bro, you've done this in several threads and we all know it is aimed at an individual. Stop trying to act innocent. I called you on your hypocrisy, and have shown you that you do the exact same thing you accuse in others.

In fact, you've been called on your hypocrisy for doing it by several people that have called you on the carpet. You're being dishonest and you have a double standard. Man up and own it.