Then can I hear an answer that is more than just "pat-sounding" religious rhetoric? A straight question:
If you think you have the truth, and anyone disagrees with you, do you think they ALSO have the truth?
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Then can I hear an answer that is more than just "pat-sounding" religious rhetoric? A straight question:
If you think you have the truth, and anyone disagrees with you, do you think they ALSO have the truth?
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FreeNChrist
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What I think is that the truth can be known, and that truth is absolute. If the truth cannot be known then God saying that the truth will set us free is merely the empty unattainable promise of a God who is nothing more than a cruel cosmic comedian.
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Decavirgo
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Willie i am trying,lol,but i keep deleting by accident my answers and cant keep rewriting them each time. I
I just wanted to say only he knows the truth and the bible is the foundation for God to explain why we are here but at some point the soul by the holy spirit through or salvation by grace alone will just fill you with a peace.
We will be expected to save more souls and to learn about true love and forgiveness.
I was knocked of my horse on the way to Damascus and i cant even believe i am here to say this. Just dont over think this truth and the living word. Never think you are smarter or better then anyone else.
The bible has been written in every language you can think of,its not a book. If i read a book from 20 years ago it is so out dated i cant read it. This bible has no time table on it,it is as new today as it was or will be.
The holy spirit can now focus on you instead of groaning to explain what you so try to understand with out a data to pull from. Now you get to not live in a movie all day of your past or a movie in your head of your future but in this moment now. Welcome to the first day of the rest of your life. You are but a vapor practicing for the eternal filled with the knowledge of a loving God that says give that gift freely to someone else now that you have it. Dont hide your light and dont drown in thought of a truth no of us will get until we go i pray to path of the narrow road.
The Bible is teaches us to me one main message. God is Love at it is unconditional and we are humbled by the fact he is right next to but right here with me as well and all who see this. Its not can he possible be right besides us right this moment but can we be right beside him. God bless you Willie
I just wanted to say only he knows the truth and the bible is the foundation for God to explain why we are here but at some point the soul by the holy spirit through or salvation by grace alone will just fill you with a peace.
We will be expected to save more souls and to learn about true love and forgiveness.
I was knocked of my horse on the way to Damascus and i cant even believe i am here to say this. Just dont over think this truth and the living word. Never think you are smarter or better then anyone else.
The bible has been written in every language you can think of,its not a book. If i read a book from 20 years ago it is so out dated i cant read it. This bible has no time table on it,it is as new today as it was or will be.
The holy spirit can now focus on you instead of groaning to explain what you so try to understand with out a data to pull from. Now you get to not live in a movie all day of your past or a movie in your head of your future but in this moment now. Welcome to the first day of the rest of your life. You are but a vapor practicing for the eternal filled with the knowledge of a loving God that says give that gift freely to someone else now that you have it. Dont hide your light and dont drown in thought of a truth no of us will get until we go i pray to path of the narrow road.
The Bible is teaches us to me one main message. God is Love at it is unconditional and we are humbled by the fact he is right next to but right here with me as well and all who see this. Its not can he possible be right besides us right this moment but can we be right beside him. God bless you Willie
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Decavirgo
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lol i cant even read my words Willie please forgive my lack of knowledge of this old Laptop. I hope you can see my point some how
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Decavirgo
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God is awesome and he is teaching me humility to save my soul Willie. I wrote a perfect answer for you and deleted it and by the third time it came out all broken up towards the end. I can only laugh as this God is so good to us he would never allow it to be about me. Its all for his glory. I just wanted to make sure he gets all the credit. Forgive me
hi Decavirgo, welcome to CC!
I don't want to offer unwanted advice or derail the thread, here...
but you could try typing your message into a program like Notepad, saving frequently as you type. Then just copy and paste the message into the box here on CC.
I don't want to offer unwanted advice or derail the thread, here...
but you could try typing your message into a program like Notepad, saving frequently as you type. Then just copy and paste the message into the box here on CC.
Maybe I didn't word it too clearly, but I thought both those posts were stated in such a way that either of them could be answered with, basically, a "Yes" or "No'', without having to beat around the bush and end up really saying nothing about the pretty simple, straight-forward questions I asked.
Willie,
great question -s , just 'hang in there', Jesus will send someone to help you on your way,,.
He never fails...
great question -s , just 'hang in there', Jesus will send someone to help you on your way,,.
He never fails...
Well, I happen to believe that if you feel led by the spirit to fawn over a homeless person, and even take them into your home and feed, clothe and support them (Some people DO approach outreach this way) and I get in their face and tell them where a job can be found if they really want the work....... that both of us may very well be hearing from the Spirit in the way we deal with people.
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Cerwin
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I think there is mixed interpretations in the Bible because old testament teachings contradict a lot of New testament teachings and so people "pick one" and stick with it because it is in the Bible after all. For instance "eye for an eye" versus "turn the other cheek and love thine enemy". Somehow before you can even begin reading, you have to pray to be guided by Holy Spirit as to what God is saying to YOU. You have to develop this intimate relationship first before you can REALLY hear Him. And you have to trust that what others hear really doesn't matter because you can go back and forth on it with all the people for days and be left more confused than you were on day one. There really are gifted people too that you can know to trust NOT by their words but by their ACTIONS, and I've been lucky to meet them. With them you might ask, " what do you think this means"? These people will always ask you what YOU think it means back. Then they will say " I think it could mean this, what do you think"? And gently they discuss it and open your mind up. They don't insist and throw verses at you and tell you to look it up or pass judgment on you. Through these chosen people Jesus Christ works, just like He did through the Apostles. But these chosen ones are hard to find, they are humble and never boisterous.
Love being real... No point in being anything different when it comes to God...
One thing i also believe that some scriptures contain more then one message.. Of course i do not believe that scripture will contain conflicting messages.. So two people can get to correct messages while reading scripture from the Holy Spirit and both can be right.. There are like a surface literal message and a deeper symbolic message in many portions of scripture..
So if 3 people are hearing 3 different message that are all in opposition to one another then there is only two possibilities.. Either only one of the 3 is correct or all three people are wrong..
Believing that one is hearing His voice does not mean that one is actually hearing His voice..
Hello, The Bible is a guide for life .. Throughout the years people have interpret the message but the themes are clear ..In agreement with Blessed john80
yes, in both cases the action is growing out of the same truth, expressed differently.
I'm pondering this idea
JOHN 8:31 So Jesus said to those Jews who believed in him, "If you live by what I say, you are truly my disciples.
JOHN 8:32 You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."
the key is 'If you live by what I say', not If you apply the right analysis and syllogisms to the Scriptures (which, in my experience, leads me to want to argue).
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Cerwin
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Our life isn't static so, our "right" understanding in the past doesn't make it "wrong" compared to the "right" understanding that we have now.
We are growing. Our knowledge of God's love is growing.
If by reading a verse and say that you have the "right" understanding already then that's like saying you have absolute understanding of everything.
I think the bible is like the window to God. A window to eternity. On that thought, can we(insignificant as we are), really expect to understand what it is to view "right" from "wrong". Can we really expect to view "absolute truth" as a whole and understand it?
If someone here says they can then I'm sure they are not looking forward to heaven.
Absolute truth, is unreachable to us here. We literally get partial truths from the bible. Don't get it wrong though, these partial truths are not small by measure.
Anyway, God bless you. Really interesting thread.
The Opening Post brought up some good biblical issues.
But I think the above comment constitutes a common philosophical error, albeit well-intentioned.
The point "behind" the above comment is to show that we have some kind of dilemma, perhaps even a paradox, when people disagree on truth... but there is no such dilemma or paradox.
There is no dilemma or paradox:
1. If many people disagree about truth, it does not logically follow that because of this disagreement, truth does not exist.
2. The entire concept of truth being relative is philosophically and logically untenable... it is actually a self refuting concept.
3. Because of #1 and #2 (and many other philosophical proofs) we can say that truth DOES exist.
4. So if truth DOES exist, and we can prove in many ways that it does... what is the conundrum with people disagreeing?
- How is it a big deal to disagree?
- How is it a dilemma, or a paradox, for people to simply disagree about truth?
- Disagreement does not constitute an existential dilemma.
- There IS NO DILEMMA.
I never spoke of truth being relative. And I never said the words, paradox or dilemma. I was talking about us attempting to declare that what "WE" feel is truth, is, therefore, the absolute truth.
Jesus told the disciples that when they are brought before authorities the Holy Spirit would bring to mind what they were to say. In order to do so they had to have it in their minds to start with. One of the major reasons why there are so many different and often bizarre interpretations of Scripture is due to the lack of plain Bible knowledge.