"If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church"

[Depleted]

To a certain extent I agree with you but only to the extent that a in pass has been reached and it is totally apparent.
Thats when it can be discussed.

I think we need to be careful going to some one and say you have offended me, and they had no idea they had.
We may have been offended because of stuff we haven't forgiven of others.

A very simple example

Don't be stupid, do you not realise that God loves you (good intentions with such words)

Now the person you said that to may have heard the following from their father/mother

Your stupid, you failed your exams, you will never amount to anything.

Now if we knew the person personally we would probably get to know them and see the reaction on a personal basis.

We don't see the personal on the virtual.

we need to combine the two.

See the text, see if something about the text is contrary to what God would say. Ask the question "Why do you feel this way"
Wait for the repsonse (reassure it's ok to be honest)

After being called several derogatory things, (one of which is only derogatory in the mind of a only-conservatives-are-Christian mindset, and another one was absolutely truthful lol), I did ask the person to check out who I really am to see where his analysis was downright humorous. And then I did even let him know that once he did that, I would forgive him easily. Not good enough?

 

[Depleted]

I'm just saying to admit that you, just like me and the rest of us, blow it and do things we don't want to do. Trying to say that you are following the Bible, and justifying a lack of control in wanting retaliation through vindictive ranting by claiming you are being "Biblical", is a little much to attempt to feed people on the forum as you go off on this guy.

You got mad. You figure you are good at putting people down with your writing.... and that is simply what you are resorting to.

No point trying to hide it. We all do it in some form or another.

Once again, complete avoidance of my question so you can look holier-than-thou without saying anything useful or honesty. Got it!

"We all do it from time to time." Not like this! Not even you, me, Utah, Blue, 1ofThem, or dozens of others who have slice-and-dice skills.

Not the same, but, hey, Willie speaks from philosophical reaches to the ones beneath him. Just once in a while, I wish you'd be honest about you, instead of always pointing to everyone else.

I saw it once. Just once. When you humbled yourself about a gun. I liked that Willie. I'm getting the holier-than-thou Willie, now patching up a direct question by "we all do it."

 

[Depleted]

I believe that it is a church too based on what you have quoted.

Yeah, I gave up on thinking anyone would be willing to knot this riff together.

 

[BillG]

After being called several derogatory things, (one of which is only derogatory in the mind of a only-conservatives-are-Christian mindset, and another one was absolutely truthful lol), I did ask the person to check out who I really am to see where his analysis was downright humorous. And then I did even let him know that once he did that, I would forgive him easily. Not good enough?

Truth is precious Lady and yes you are a lady

Jesus himself was called deragtory things by the conservatives of the day, in fact crucified by those conservatives.

His response was unilateral forgivness, he don't shout out "I forgive you" He prayed to the Father "forgive them they don't know what they are doing"

I think in a sense when we seek an apology to forgive then it's wrong. We forgive because we have been forgiven.
If we do that we set ourselves free and if a person comes to us and asks "please forgive me" we say "already forgiven"

If they don't we are still set free, the hook that has ensared our cheek is taken out. A fish on a hook is ensnared by the rod holder. When the hook is removed the fish can swim free.

I am not saying it's easy and not sayin I'm perfect with this.

 

[Willie-T]

Once again, complete avoidance of my question so you can look holier-than-thou without saying anything useful or honesty. Got it!

"We all do it from time to time." Not like this! Not even you, me, Utah, Blue, 1ofThem, or dozens of others who have slice-and-dice skills.

Not the same, but, hey, Willie speaks from philosophical reaches to the ones beneath him. Just once in a while, I wish you'd be honest about you, instead of always pointing to everyone else.

I saw it once. Just once. When you humbled yourself about a gun. I liked that Willie. I'm getting the holier-than-thou Willie, now patching up a direct question by "we all do it."

In the same post you quoted that from, I said I blow it just like anyone else. In an earlier post in this same thread I admitted that I would also prefer to let people have it.

Just what is it you need here? Do you want me to record in each of my posts, one or more of my mistakes I have made? Somehow, I doubt even doing that would satisfy you. What is wrong with you? You are the one trying to claim you are being all "Biblical" in how you're handling this blow-up toward this guy. Not me. If I knock some Witch-Hunter, you don't find me saying I am doing it because I am Holy and I am following Scripture by doing that.

When I knock those videos or maybe one of the members here who is saying they are working for Satan, I say it plainly that they are judging without knowing much more than they read about in some other Witch-Hunter's site..... or that they are just being hateful and hoping to smear someone's name.

I never say it is my duty as a Christian to plaster some preacher's name all over the web, claiming he is a False Prophet. If I don't think much of the man, I will say so, and I will tell why. But I sure never try to hide behind the Bible when I say someone is a low life in my book.

THAT is what I am taking exception to here. If he insulted you, and you just want to get even, fine. Do it. But, don't say you are following Scripture in doing so.

 

[Depleted]

Truth is precious Lady and yes you are a lady

Jesus himself was called deragtory things by the conservatives of the day, in fact crucified by those conservatives.

His response was unilateral forgivness, he don't shout out "I forgive you" He prayed to the Father "forgive them they don't know what they are doing"

I think in a sense when we seek an apology to forgive then it's wrong. We forgive because we have been forgiven.
If we do that we set ourselves free and if a person comes to us and asks "please forgive me" we say "already forgiven"

If they don't we are still set free, the hook that has ensared our cheek is taken out. A fish on a hook is ensnared by the rod holder. When the hook is removed the fish can swim free.

I am not saying it's easy and not sayin I'm perfect with this.

First, I want you to know I really appreciate you trying to help me. I am listening. (Not getting it all, but I'm trying. lol)

Second, if that chicken in your sink (your avatar) is a lady, than I am one too, because frankly, that chicken looks my kind of comfortable. (I'm assuming the drink is a Diet Decaf Pepsi, right? Wish I could see it better. lol)

Third, where I'm not getting what you're saying.

1. If someone spread it around that you were an evil, snail-cuddling, anti-Christian, French homosexual man, (and noticed, at least the person called you a man, so it's not all inaccurate), you would just forgive them without at least trying to get them to realize that's about as opposite of who you are as it can be?

2. Were those people Jesus forgave forgiven? When I picture what he was seeing from up on that cross -- soldiers playing lots for his clothes, the entire city of Jerusalem, and possibly the Sanhedrin (which was both conservative and liberal) and Pontius Pilate in the background -- I can't say as I think he forgave them like he forgives us. I may be utterly shocked to see the soldier that nailed him to that cross, the entire city of Jerusalem from the third decade of A.D, and the Sanhedrin in heaven worshiping him some day. And yet, he is Jesus, so when he forgave, it meant something. What did it mean?

 

[blue_ladybug]

1. I would kind of laugh it off, and realize that what that person thinks of me is merely his unfounded,uninformed and ignorant opinion. What GOD thinks of you is the ONLY thing you should worry about. As for forgiving them, well, I would figure that since they are ignorant of the truth and wish to remain so, then yes I'd forgive them for their ignorance.


2. The people Jesus forgave, were truly forgiven. By Him, at least. Those soldiers were forced into arresting, beating, mocking and crucifying Jesus, because the public would rather set a criminal free, rather than hear the truth from an innocent man (Jesus). Apparently, they delusionally considered supposed blasphemy a greater sin than murder..We all know how corrupt government was back then, and still is today, so when people get that powerful, corrupt and greedy, they DO kind of lose their minds and know not (or care not) what they do.

I don't know if I could forgive the murder of a loved one.. But Jesus could and did, and we're supposed to try and follow His example.

First, I want you to know I really appreciate you trying to help me. I am listening. (Not getting it all, but I'm trying. lol)

Second, if that chicken in your sink (your avatar) is a lady, than I am one too, because frankly, that chicken looks my kind of comfortable. (I'm assuming the drink is a Diet Decaf Pepsi, right? Wish I could see it better. lol)

Third, where I'm not getting what you're saying.

1. If someone spread it around that you were an evil, snail-cuddling, anti-Christian, French homosexual man, (and noticed, at least the person called you a man, so it's not all inaccurate), you would just forgive them without at least trying to get them to realize that's about as opposite of who you are as it can be?

2. Were those people Jesus forgave forgiven? When I picture what he was seeing from up on that cross -- soldiers playing lots for his clothes, the entire city of Jerusalem, and possibly the Sanhedrin (which was both conservative and liberal) and Pontius Pilate in the background -- I can't say as I think he forgave them like he forgives us. I may be utterly shocked to see the soldier that nailed him to that cross, the entire city of Jerusalem from the third decade of A.D, and the Sanhedrin in heaven worshiping him some day. And yet, he is Jesus, so when he forgave, it meant something. What did it mean?

 

[Depleted]

In the same post you quoted that from, I said I blow it just like anyone else. In an earlier post in this same thread I admitted that I would also prefer to let people have it.

Just what is it you need here? Do you want me to record in each of my posts, one or more of my mistakes I have made? Somehow, I doubt even doing that would satisfy you. What is wrong with you? You are the one trying to claim you are being all "Biblical" in how you're handling this blow-up toward this guy. Not me. If I knock some Witch-Hunter, you don't find me saying I am doing it because I am Holy and I am following Scripture by doing that.

When I knock those videos or maybe one of the members here who is saying they are working for Satan, I say it plainly that they are judging without knowing much more than they read about in some other Witch-Hunter's site..... or that they are just being hateful and hoping to smear someone's name.

I never say it is my duty as a Christian to plaster some preacher's name all over the web, claiming he is a False Prophet. If I don't think much of the man, I will say so, and I will tell why. But I sure never try to hide behind the Bible when I say someone is a low life in my book.

THAT is what I am taking exception to here. If he insulted you, and you just want to get even, fine. Do it. But, don't say you are following Scripture in doing so.

Funny, when you said everyone is on a witch hunt, I assume you meant everyone was hunting down people they don't like. I actually trusted you to say what you meant!

When I ask for Biblical restoration? You can't possibly believe I mean what I'm saying? How does that work for you? Is that assumed because you don't actually believe what you say either?

You know something? I WAS working for Biblical restoration. A coming together of two badly riffed people! What did I get most of this thread?

"Not my problem." "We all do that."

You in particular, (and at least I get 1of is still mad at me, so she's going to take jabs), made it your mission to pronounce you are above all this. You just go for 7 X 70!

Bupkis! You never forgive. You just jab and jab and jab and then blame it on everyone else!

I WAS looking for Biblical restoration. Now I'm looking for the only answer to be found on this site -- to ban or not to ban! Because Biblical restoration on this site? As funny as that first insult given to me. It's just so not true it is ridiculous. And why? Because easier to blame it on everyone else than to actually DO something about it. In your case, you've been blaming me by telling me I'm lying about my motive.

Right, Champ? You've gotten what you want out of CC already -- a place to talk about others and then post your little ditties from others without ever actually committing to being Willie!

What do I want from you?
-- Be real!
-- Start with the assumption everyone else is not lying.
-- Start with the assumption a topic is really a topic and not about 10001 ways Willie can poohpooh those beneath him!

At least start there! Feel free to move on from there IF you ever find out it's not true. And really? This "look at them. They're so less" crap is just that -- CRAP! You're in your 70s! When are you going to stop thinking it is your job to judge everyone else? It may not be your duty to plaster what pastors say all over, but you surely think it's your duty to belittle everyone with your so superior ways.

Should I apologize to you for daring to ask for exactly what I did ask for? Restoration! Reread Matthew 18, because it IS about restoration! Not Willie forgives 7 X 70.

 

[kaylagrl]

Oh, the irony...

Seems there are some who think they are able to say whatever they want to others, but get offended and feel attacked if someone treats them the same way they are treating others.

Have no idea what went on in the other thread,dont even know which it is. But does the Bible say "treat others the way they treat you?" I think not.

 

[1ofthem]

1. I would kind of laugh it off, and realize that what that person thinks of me is merely his unfounded,uninformed and ignorant opinion. What GOD thinks of you is the ONLY thing you should worry about. As for forgiving them, well, I would figure that since they are ignorant of the truth and wish to remain so, then yes I'd forgive them for their ignorance.


2. The people Jesus forgave, were truly forgiven. By Him, at least. Those soldiers were forced into arresting, beating, mocking and crucifying Jesus, because the public would rather set a criminal free, rather than hear the truth from an innocent man (Jesus). Apparently, they delusionally considered supposed blasphemy a greater sin than murder..We all know how corrupt government was back then, and still is today, so when people get that powerful, corrupt and greedy, they DO kind of lose their minds and know not (or care not) what they do.

I don't know if I could forgive the murder of a loved one.. But Jesus could and did, and we're supposed to try and follow His example.

Perfect post and good advice for all ME included

 

[1ofthem]

Funny, when you said everyone is on a witch hunt, I assume you meant everyone was hunting down people they don't like. I actually trusted you to say what you meant!

When I ask for Biblical restoration? You can't possibly believe I mean what I'm saying? How does that work for you? Is that assumed because you don't actually believe what you say either?

You know something? I WAS working for Biblical restoration. A coming together of two badly riffed people! What did I get most of this thread?

"Not my problem." "We all do that."

You in particular, (and at least I get 1of is still mad at me, so she's going to take jabs), made it your mission to pronounce you are above all this. You just go for 7 X 70!

Bupkis! You never forgive. You just jab and jab and jab and then blame it on everyone else!

I WAS looking for Biblical restoration. Now I'm looking for the only answer to be found on this site -- to ban or not to ban! Because Biblical restoration on this site? As funny as that first insult given to me. It's just so not true it is ridiculous. And why? Because easier to blame it on everyone else than to actually DO something about it. In your case, you've been blaming me by telling me I'm lying about my motive.

Right, Champ? You've gotten what you want out of CC already -- a place to talk about others and then post your little ditties from others without ever actually committing to being Willie!

What do I want from you?
-- Be real!
-- Start with the assumption everyone else is not lying.
-- Start with the assumption a topic is really a topic and not about 10001 ways Willie can poohpooh those beneath him!

At least start there! Feel free to move on from there IF you ever find out it's not true. And really? This "look at them. They're so less" crap is just that -- CRAP! You're in your 70s! When are you going to stop thinking it is your job to judge everyone else? It may not be your duty to plaster what pastors say all over, but you surely think it's your duty to belittle everyone with your so superior ways.

Should I apologize to you for daring to ask for exactly what I did ask for? Restoration! Reread Matthew 18, because it IS about restoration! Not Willie forgives 7 X 70.

I'll admit, I was still mad at you and I did come in here to throw a jab or two your way...I've been called names too (maybe not as bad as what you were though) and no it doesn't feel good at all... But "we" me included need to learn to just let it roll off of our backs sometimes. We know who we are and God knows who we are so it doesn't really matter what others think of us.

But really, I shouldn't have came in here to just try and lessen the experience you had went through...So for that I do apologize.

 

[1ofthem]

Have no idea what went on in the other thread,dont even know which it is. But does the Bible say "treat others the way they treat you?" I think not.

No and I really wasn't trying to imply that...I was just saying sometimes we get treated badly because others feel that we are treating them badly. I am in no way saying that it is right or that it is biblical...just saying that's how it goes sometimes.

 

[renewed_hope]

I would say to turn the other cheek....you attempted to make a reconciliation with no success and you can't force or manipulate him into believing what you do so you must turn the other cheek and move forward to what God has called you to do. I would continue praying for him, but sis that is all we can do. I was at the store yesterday and was behind someone in line that we started making a little small talk and this particular person asked how I was and how my family was doing, I responded that we are doing great and I asked him the same question. This particular person hurt my mom and sister by saying things that weren't true at a church we previously attended. I came home and told my sister and my mom told me next time to tell him it's none of his business. I told her NO because I am not going to give him the same attitude and behavior he has shown towards me because regardless I want to show who I have living inside of me over actions that were displayed to me. Golly, I hope this makes sense lol

Just pray for him

 

[kaylagrl]

No and I really wasn't trying to imply that...I was just saying sometimes we get treated badly because others feel that we are treating them badly. I am in no way saying that it is right or that it is biblical...just saying that's how it goes sometimes.

Well I see that happening a lot here. The gloves come off all too often. I try not to let it bother me,I get use to it round here. I know what I believe and others telling me Im going to hell,or are being used of satan because,lets say,I believe in tongues,really doesnt affect me. Theres an old Gospel singer who is passed now but he said "the older I get the more people Im letting into heaven". Its a good thing God is the judge because its an awful confusing mess in this forum.

 

[BillG]

First, I want you to know I really appreciate you trying to help me. I am listening. (Not getting it all, but I'm trying. lol)

Second, if that chicken in your sink (your avatar) is a lady, than I am one too, because frankly, that chicken looks my kind of comfortable. (I'm assuming the drink is a Diet Decaf Pepsi, right? Wish I could see it better. lol)

No the old bird wanted a beer

 

[BillG]

If someone spread it around that you were an evil, snail-cuddling, anti-Christian, French homosexual man, (and noticed, at least the person called you a man, so it's not all inaccurate), you would just forgive them without at least trying to get them to realize that's about as opposite of who you are as it can be?

If that were me I would be going to them and ask them to stop saying what they are.
Firslty it's an offence and secondly it's a lie.

If they continue and it was in a physical church I would be taking it to the elders and ask for church discipline to be initiated if needs be. I know this is not the physical church but maybe this is where the mods should bought in.

Forgivness is not rolling over and allowing someone to beat you with a stick.

As I said, forgivness does not mean you put yourself in the same situation you are in .
We are within our rights to withdraw and hand it over to God.

But we are called to forgive, so we should.
In doing so we need to ask God for any healing we need as a result.

Also remember that person will stand before God one day and his words will examined.

 

[BillG]

Were those people Jesus forgave forgiven? When I picture what he was seeing from up on that cross -- soldiers playing lots for his clothes, the entire city of Jerusalem, and possibly the Sanhedrin (which was both conservative and liberal) and Pontius Pilate in the background -- I can't say as I think he forgave them like he forgives us. I may be utterly shocked to see the soldier that nailed him to that cross, the entire city of Jerusalem from the third decade of A.D, and the Sanhedrin in heaven worshiping him some day. And yet, he is Jesus, so when he forgave, it meant something. What did it mean?

1 Peter 2:24
who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness—by whose stripes you were healed.

All sins were laid on Jesus whilst he was on the cross

All sins of men are forgiven except one.

Forgivness of sins are for all.

It is up to a person who has been convicted of the sin of unbelief to repent of that, place their faith in Jesus and claim that forgiveness.

We may well be surprised who we see in heaven, maybe the following

Matthew 27:54


So when the centurion and those with him, who were guarding Jesus, saw the earthquake and the things that had happened, they feared greatly, saying, “Truly this was the Son of God!”

 

[RickyZ]

I would consider CC an assembly, not a church. Church has a leadership structure, CC (in effect) does not. That's why we end up with these kinds of issues.

Too, there is a difference in forgiving personal attacks (70 times 7) and correcting Biblical error (present your case to the assembly).

And finally, if you are participating in the behavior you are complaining about, I think it falls under the speck vs log in the eye banner.

 

[renewed_hope]

I would consider CC an assembly, not a church. Church has a leadership structure, CC (in effect) does not. That's why we end up with these kinds of issues.

Too, there is a difference in forgiving personal attacks (70 times 7) and correcting Biblical error (present your case to the assembly).

And finally, if you are participating in the behavior you are complaining about, I think it falls under the speck vs log in the eye banner.

Honestly, does it truly matter whether or not cc is viewed at a church here? We must pray for those that sin against us and move on without holding any amniosity or grudges against them because that can turn into bitterness and come between how God can speak to us

 

[RickyZ]

Honestly, does it truly matter whether or not cc is viewed at a church here? We must pray for those that sin against us and move on without holding any amniosity or grudges against them because that can turn into bitterness and come between how God can speak to us

And/or lead to endless CC battles between believers.