RIDICULOUS CHRISTIAN CLAIMS AND SHAMING JESUS

[sparkman]

Hi Sparkman, I guess I'm not quite sure what your motive is. I've been reading the forums and when I come across any of your posts, that I have seen, it is very negative and complaining. Is this all you are about? I am sure there is much more to you than some guy just sitting behind a computer complaining about people you disagree with.

I believe demons have more of an influence than some Christians want to admit. The bible does tell us to put on the Armor of God. Usually if there is a warning about something there is a reason for it. They don't make toxic hazard signs just because they think they are cool or pretty looking.

You seem very passionate about your faith and I think you are just coming at it all wrong by complaining and attacking other members.

The two threads are connected. I am tired of weird charismatic claims and how they shame Jesus in the eyes of seekers. Seekers could walk away thinking we are a bunch of loons if they are exposed to the nuttiness that I've criticized.

I've been here for over three years. With some, they are newer people and often mentally ill. I don't bother addressing those. When there is persistent behavior by the same individuals over time, it becomes tiring. The response of most is simply to do nothing because they don't want to rock the boat...or to ridicule them, either overtly or subtly.

I know that I don't make any friends by pointing out the issues, but perhaps seekers will see the comments and realize there are a good number of sane individuals who don't attest to the lunacy of these individuals. Whether it is "unloving" to address continual behavior like this, I won't comment upon. I think it's unloving to ignore it and to let them convey the notion that Christians are like this.

You will find threads where I also address cultic groups that teach Sabbath/festival/clean meat observances are required from Christians as well. That is part of my background, and I get a lot of flack for that too. Again, I don't much care what others think concerning me addressing those issues.

I will agree that the spiritual realm is real. However, these guys take it way too far, and have this view that they are spiritual ninjas that are fighting some kind of cosmic battle with Satan through their demon deliverance, raising the dead, and mass healings. I don't believe their claims. Their behavior doesn't reflect sound thinking. I believe God does perform miracles, but I don't believe THEM. Some of them have openly lied to me on subjects where there is no doubt. For instance, one of them is a banned user and he claims he is not that person, even though he has the same voice and the same views. Why would anyone trust the testimony of a liar? Others have claims that are so incredulous that there is virtually no chance of them being true.

 

[CeileDe]

The two threads are connected. I am tired of weird charismatic claims and how they shame Jesus in the eyes of seekers. Seekers could walk away thinking we are a bunch of loons if they are exposed to the nuttiness that I've criticized.

I've been here for over three years. With some, they are newer people and often mentally ill. I don't bother addressing those. When there is persistent behavior by the same individuals over time, it becomes tiring. The response of most is simply to do nothing because they don't want to rock the boat...or to ridicule them, either overtly or subtly.

I know that I don't make any friends by pointing out the issues, but perhaps seekers will see the comments and realize there are a good number of sane individuals who don't attest to the lunacy of these individuals. Whether it is "unloving" to address continual behavior like this, I won't comment upon. I think it's unloving to ignore it and to let them convey the notion that Christians are like this.

You will find threads where I also address cultic groups that teach Sabbath/festival/clean meat observances are required from Christians as well. That is part of my background, and I get a lot of flack for that too. Again, I don't much care what others think concerning me addressing those issues.

Understood. But you do know that people coming in here could see you as the guy who is complaining all the time. Does that do any good for someone who is seeking the Lord?

Believe me I know where you are coming from and I would like to take up the sword as well, but what you are doing is showing people who are new here that all Christians do is attack each other. Is that the message we want to put out? Forums are like one huge arena with knights on horses and big sticks in their hands ready to knock someone off the horse that disagrees with them biblically. So you have all of us Christians in the arena and all the non Christians or newer Christians sitting around just waiting for someone to speak to them. But instead we are concentrating on each other and failing to look around at who actually needs the help.

 

[Grace777x70]

Personally I believe that God still raises the dead, and cast out demons by His Spirit.

( the cat thing is not something I have heard before other then a donkey talked one time but I have heard cats go "meow" to me lot's of times and I'm pretty sure it they were saying - feed me! )

 

[CeileDe]

Personally I believe that God still raises the dead, and cast out demons by His Spirit.

( the cat thing is not something I have heard before other then a donkey talked one time but I have heard cats go "meow" to me lot's of times and I'm pretty sure it they were saying - feed me! )

The chat member he is referring to explained that the cat said "meow". I agree with you about raising the dead and casting out demons.

 

[Grace777x70]

The chat member he is referring to explained that the cat said "meow". I agree with you about raising the dead and casting out demons.

What about this one: The cat had a demon that talked when it was getting cast out?...and it only "looked" like the cat was talking....

I wasn't in the other thread being talked about so I don't have clue what they are talking about but I do know how here in CC people can get things skewed and sometimes we can say things that could be said in a clearer fashion too.

And there are those that just blatantly slander others and are filled with malice towards them. Those types I just ignore and don't interact with them and just treat their posts like I do the porn ads that pop up once in a while on my PC.

All is well....( I read the end of the book - we win in Christ - He is our victory! )

 

[sparkman]

The chat member he is referring to explained that the cat said "meow". I agree with you about raising the dead and casting out demons.

I think she was backpedalling from her previous position. People do that a lot. I agree with you on some of your points, however I've been here for three years and some of this stuff is just getting to be totally loony. And, I haven't even mentioned all the stuff I've heard.

 

[CeileDe]

What about this one: The cat had a demon that talked when it was getting cast out?...and it only "looked" like the cat was talking....

I wasn't in the other thread being talked about so I don't have clue what they are talking about but I do know how here in CC people can get things skewed and sometimes we can say things that could be said in a clearer fashion too.

And there are those that just blatantly slander others and are filled with malice towards them. Those types I just ignore and treat their posts like I do the porn ads that pop up once in a while on my PC.

All is well....( I read the end of the book - we win in Christ - He is our victory! )

Amen and Amen.

 

[sparkman]

Another good one.

 

[CeileDe]

Another good one.

Well now you are just being silly or rude toward Charismatics. God Bless and I hope God changes your heart.

 

[sparkman]

Here's another one

 

[MattforJesus]

One of the biggest causes for doubt of Christianity for me is the ridiculous claims of a small number of Christians, which bring shame to Jesus.

As an example, one woman in chat claims that a cat spoke to her, and that she resurrected the dead from a morgue. Over time there have been tons of other ones which made similar claims about healings they performed, etcetera.

Yeah, right, I'm sure she bypassed multiple levels of security and raised a dead person in a morgue and it escaped the news..not..

Another claimed Michelle Obama was a guy and he knew it FOR SURE.

But, even more worrisome than ridiculous claims is the fact that such people are considered gurus on the site by a significant number. People flock to them for advice.

Having come from a cult who claimed to have all their i's dotted and their t's crossed doctrinally, and accused other Christians of being ignorant, I sometimes have to consider whether they may be right about a huge segment of Christianity. They themselves had poor theology, but their assessment of the gullibility of some other Christians seems to be on target.

I am guessing a full third of Christians would find such an individual as mentioned above to be plausible as a source of truth, even though they make outlandish claims.

Anyways, I am considering keeping a running list of ridiculous claims that people make in the chatroom, and bringing them up on a regular basis. Maybe that will shame them into not shaming Christ by making such outlandish claims.

Luckily, Christians in my real life are not so foolish or I'd likely abandon Christianity.

Some people do make ridiculous claims,and it does not give credit to Christianity,and there is this one man William Tapley,who has a lot of videos on youtube,that has some off the wall prophesies,and says he is the third eagle of the apocalypse,and co-prophet of the end times.

And I mean off the wall prophesies.

 

[royalscot]

Here's another one

the same could be said about people that are only quote or speak in half truths.

chasing what others claim, only shows , you will have no rest in your self. ie how can you answer for an other human for there stand, if you do not ask them. it will always be a open end thought test. etc

a waste of time and energy. etc

if the person or (video you show), is not present to answer the claim made against/ for them, is not here to answer that claim.

 

[MattTooFor]

I was in the charismatic movement for a long time and I have found the same as these fellows are saying, there is so much fakery. Miracles are happening all the time, but not really, it is mostly all talk. I believe that God does do miracles, but not most of the time, most of the time we must walk by faith. It is hypocrisy to pretend that a miracle has taken place when it has not really taken place.

I appreciate the courage it takes to step away from the Charismatic world. The personal upheaval, the loss of friendship in some cases, stepping out and away from a comfort zone.

I know the feeling, being a former "Evangelical Christian". I've experienced all of that.

I certainly believe in miracles. The "anointing with oil" by the elders accompanied by prayers for healing. There have been cancers that have disappeared. Pneumonia that has disappeared, etc.

But I see no "Jesus-style" miracles...no "apostle-style" miracles...i.e. the miracles that were used by the first generation of the Christian era to create credibility and a 'foot in the door' for the Gospel message. The kind of miracles where someone who has been paralyzed for life and/or has been stone-blind for life...and then ZAP, they're instantly 100% healed...running and leaping, 20/20 vision, etc..

Those are not happening, I would reasonably conclude.

Then comes the hue and cry from Charismatic supporters...chiding us for not believing their testimonies.

Hey, that wasn't how the 'sign gifts' worked! The sign gifts are meant for my eyeballs. There is a reason there was ZERO controversy in those early days...over whether or not these miracle gifts existed:

Because everybody AND their grandmother had been able to firsthand witness the miracles!

With hundreds of millions of iPhones and a hundred million YouTube videos...where are these Jesus-style miracles? And why aren't the Charismatics here at CC routinely blessing each other's socks off with miraculous "prophecies" for each other? And all the top, most popular Charismatic leaders who have telecasts every Sunday...and ZERO credible Jesus-style miracles.

I'm not trying to be a meanie. Not trying to take away Santa Claus. My concern is...the Charismatics and Pentecostals will be first in line to fall for the deceptions of the Antichrist who, along with a large gaggle of known and popular "Christian" leaders (according to Jesus' explicit descriptions in the Olivet Discourse)...will be able to display staggering "sign and wonders" (2Thess. 2:9 and Rev. 13:13).

And Charismatics have no filter for that kind of thing. They have no defense. If phony "Christian" leaders under the auspices of this world leader can invoke "Jesus' name" and produce mighty signs and wonders...Charismatics will drop like flies, I fear.

 

[Rondonmon]

One of the biggest causes for doubt of Christianity for me is the ridiculous claims of a small number of Christians, which bring shame to Jesus.

I think it has more to do with a Demonic Spirit of unbelief that has you in his grips.

 

[sparkman]

I think it has more to do with a Demonic Spirit of unbelief that has you in his grips.

I totally believe God's word..I didn't check my brains in at the door, though, when I became a Christian. I don't accept cheap internet claims by individuals who display erratic behavior.

This is a common claim, though..you don't believe me or my alleged "spirit filled" buddies, therefore you are denying God's word. I believe God's word totally, and I do not believe cheap claims made by loony people.

If a sound believer with a history of stability and dependability related an event such as a healing or resurrection to me, I would believe that person. If an unsound believer who has demonstrated instability relates an event to me like that, or an individual on the internet that I have no personal history with, I am not going to believe that person.

God's word tells me that there are many who claim to do miraculous works who, are in fact, don't know Jesus and are going to eternal punishment. See Matthew 7. Those individuals proclaimed all their works to the Lord, but in fact he never knew them whatsoever.

God does not want believers to remain gullible and susceptible to false teachings by people who are obviously unstable. This is not "belief" in a biblical sense.

I believe that Scripture is inspired and inerrant. The word of God is totally trustworthy. The word of loons is not trustworthy, and their claims are not dependable.

Some of them are plainly false teachers. Others are silly Christians who need to grow up. They are filled with self-importance and vanity. See the meme.

I believe that:

• I am a sinner in need of God's grace and forgiveness
• Jesus died a substitutionary death on my behalf on the cross
• Through accepting his substitutionary atonement on my behalf, I have eternal life.

 

[sparkman]

Another good one.

 

[DJ2]

Trusting in the arm of the flesh, the wisdom of man, the ability of man for healing first... and when mankind's efforts fail only then do some try and get serious about trusting the Lord for their healing.

That's the cart before the horse as Jesus is THE physician and when one learns how to receive healing based on what God's Word teaches one can grow to where they don't need medical science.

Who needs obama care???
Jesus paid for my health and healing already... it's been paid for and it's mine now!

Even you don't believe that.

 

[prodigal]

I dont get you sorry... This is not a new age rubish coz when you sleep at night your still actually awake... then you dream sometime even waking up and wondering if your legs are ok after falling over...

Now wondering if you saw a vision from God or knowing it was is why we have so many revalations in the Bible... Not everyone will see Jesusand not everyone will be a doubting thomas...




Sadly some will be a doubting thomas for ever...

so i'm a dounting thomas for not believing that people can choose too astral project themselves, which isn't scriptural. ok i think i'll leave it there..


Sadly some will be a gullible for ever..

 

[MadebyHim]

Really we don't think Jesus, the Everlasting, King of kings, Lord of lords, Wonderful Counselor, Prince of Peace, can be shamed. The only one being shamed is those getting caught making lies about Jesus, causing gullible people doubt in their salvation. New to the faith thinking God is hocus-pocus, and feeling why can't they have this stuff happening, wondering if they are really saved, because they can't see these things.

 

[sparkman]

A few more in honor of the cat whisperer.