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I just witnessed a 6 foot 5 inch Chinese bully (he is new to country) bullying another student. I am a teachers aide and the teacher just shrugged it off and sat down at his computer. I am not happy about this.
I went and addressed the big olde lumpy dumpty bully myself and told him if hes gonna bullying students I'm going to the office to report it.
If the principals dont do anything then Im going to the district office if they dont do anything then I'll fo to the papers.
It is Ridculous what I am witnessing in the high school. These are special classes for new students learning English.

I even witnessed a teacher make her students stand on the chairs if they didnt get the answer right and then tell them they are going to have to watch a movie standing on their chair.

I have mentioned a few things but I dont think they care
 
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That's public school for you. I work in public school as a TA and I've seen the good, bad and ugly. Trust me addressing bullying and creating a safe learning environment is not their top priority. Its academics first and foremost because schools get funding based on academics and attendance plus bonuses to principles too. So everything else pretty much gets pushed aside. Trust me I've been there, pretty much gets nowhere.
Parents need to speak up and demand actions. Otherwise our voice gets drown out. We are like the invisible shadows in the school.
Best of luck.
 
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Academic achievements do not seem to be that important in
a school system geared to passing students no matter what.
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joefizz

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yeah it's not just in high school I have been to many a school and some actually pay attention to and care for the children they teach,others you could being hurt right at their desk and the teachers wouldn't care,been through a bully moment like this and it was not until I retaliated by accident really a reflex that the teacher noticed anything at all,what teachers need is to get motivated by getting right with God in my opinion because if you don't first care for a child then how can you teach them anything?
 
Willie-T

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LOL There is SO much this current society needs to learn about teaching children to handle bullying. The sheltering, protected spaces Snowflakes want to cloister children in is NOT the way to do it. All you do is create yet another generation that looks to Big Brother to solve their problems for them.
 
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Yahweh_is_gracious

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Willie-T said:
LOL There is SO much this current society needs to learn about teaching children to handle bullying. The sheltering, protected spaces Snowflakes want to cloister children in is NOT the way to do it. All you do is create yet another generation that looks to Big Brother to solve their problems for them.
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Agreed. The sheltering is the direct opposition to the old "just stand up for yourself", which also did not work 99% of the time. The solution has to be somewhere in the middle of those two extremes.
 
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Yahweh_is_gracious said:
Agreed. The sheltering is the direct opposition to the old "just stand up for yourself", which also did not work 99% of the time. The solution has to be somewhere in the middle of those two extremes.
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We learned it pretty early in our schooling, and bullies soon learned something, too. And, that was not to mess with four or more kids who stood together. And then most of us soon watched out for others, and within weeks, bullying ended in our schools. No teachers were ever involved.
 
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Willie-T said:
We learned it pretty early in our schooling, and bullies soon learned something, too. And, that was not to mess with four or more kids who stood together. And then most of us soon watched out for others, and within weeks, bullying ended in our schools. No teachers were ever involved.
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I remember when I was beginning 7th grade and my family had moved to a new town, I began junior high in a new school, and I was the focus of some bullying. My Dad, in his "wisdom", gave me advice how to handle it, which amounted to "bloody his nose and he won't ever bother you again". Well, what actually happened was that my best punch made no impact on the bully; I got my butt kicked, badly, in front of nearly a hundred people; I was bullied constantly from then on until I graduated high school.

Eventually, that bully got his come-uppance when he went to the Wyoming State Penitentiary for shaking his baby to death a few years after graduation, but that didn't do much to help me from 7th through 12th grade.
 
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Yahweh_is_gracious said:
I remember when I was beginning 7th grade and my family had moved to a new town, I began junior high in a new school, and I was the focus of some bullying. My Dad, in his "wisdom", gave me advice how to handle it, which amounted to "bloody his nose and he won't ever bother you again". Well, what actually happened was that my best punch made no impact on the bully; I got my butt kicked, badly, in front of nearly a hundred people; I was bullied constantly from then on until I graduated high school.

Eventually, that bully got his come-uppance when he went to the Wyoming State Penitentiary for shaking his baby to death a few years after graduation, but that didn't do much to help me from 7th through 12th grade.
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Well, that does kind of presuppose you're capable of giving the bully a bloody nose.

If you're going to give a kid advice like that, you need to get him some self defense classes to back up the initial premise.

I think if you do that, then the whole proposition works pretty well.
 
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Yahweh_is_gracious said:
I remember when I was beginning 7th grade and my family had moved to a new town, I began junior high in a new school, and I was the focus of some bullying. My Dad, in his "wisdom", gave me advice how to handle it, which amounted to "bloody his nose and he won't ever bother you again". Well, what actually happened was that my best punch made no impact on the bully; I got my butt kicked, badly, in front of nearly a hundred people; I was bullied constantly from then on until I graduated high school.

Eventually, that bully got his come-uppance when he went to the Wyoming State Penitentiary for shaking his baby to death a few years after graduation, but that didn't do much to help me from 7th through 12th grade.
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No, you didn't read what I said. If I had been the one telling you how to handle that bully, you and FOUR OR MORE OF YOUR FRIENDS would have overpowered that one bully, and taught him that he would never again be able to take advantage of you or any of your friends without the full awareness that you all would find him in an alley the next day, and wail the tar out of him again.

This is exactly the concept behind NATO today.
 
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Willie-T said:
No, you didn't read what I said. If I had been the one telling you how to handle that bully, you and FOUR OR MORE OF YOUR FRIENDS would have overpowered that one bully, and taught him that he would never again be able to take advantage of you or any of your friends without the full awareness that you all would find him in an alley the next day, and wail the tar out of him again.

This is exactly the concept behind NATO today.
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The "group approach" sounds like a perfectly reasonable way to deal with a bully.

I think the paternal wisdom about "standing up to bullies" has probably been passed down from fathers to sons for millennia.
This wouldn't be the case if there wasn't some wisdom behind it.


But with whatever approach you "stand up to him", he needs to at least find it unpalatable enough he doesn't want to do it again. If he beats you so soundly he doesn't get a scratch... that's not much of a deterrent.
 
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No, you didn't read what I said. If I had been the one telling you how to handle that bully, you and FOUR OR MORE OF YOUR FRIENDS would have overpowered that one bully, and taught him that he would never again be able to take advantage of you or any of your friends without the full awareness that you all would find him in an alley the next day, and wail the tar out of him again.

This is exactly the concept behind NATO today.
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I did read what you said, but did not address it because, as I am sure you can imagine, I did not have friends. There was nobody to stand with me. So, while I can see the validity of your approach, it was not appropriate to my situation.
 
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Yahweh_is_gracious said:
I did read what you said, but did not address it because, as I am sure you can imagine, I did not have friends. There was nobody to stand with me. So, while I can see the validity of your approach, it was not appropriate to my situation.
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Well, it takes a little guts AND a little brains. The bully, you can be sure, is picking on more than just one kid..... BUT, if all those kids become friends because they have to in order to take care of this guy, THEN you do have friends.

If a kid insists on being a loner and a loser, and can't fight, then he simply needs to get used to being bullied. One thing you cannot force onto a person is the determination NOT to be bullied.... even if it means he has to work with other kids to overwhelm the bully.
 
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joefizz said:
yeah it's not just in high school I have been to many a school and some actually pay attention to and care for the children they teach,others you could being hurt right at their desk and the teachers wouldn't care,been through a bully moment like this and it was not until I retaliated by accident really a reflex that the teacher noticed anything at all,what teachers need is to get motivated by getting right with God in my opinion because if you don't first care for a child then how can you teach them anything?
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I absolutely agree with you, it's the teacher who is accountable in creating a safe learning environment for kids, otherwise learning will never take place. Bullying is an adult problem unless adults take it seriously, kids will continue to get bullied. Turning a blind eye to bullying is doing a disservice not only to the victim but also the bully. It's a shame how many kids end up taking their own life because of bullying.
 
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Well, it takes a little guts AND a little brains. The bully, you can be sure, is picking on more than just one kid..... BUT, if all those kids become friends because they have to in order to take care of this guy, THEN you do have friends.

If a kid insists on being a loner and a loser, and can't fight, then he simply needs to get used to being bullied. One thing you cannot force onto a person is the determination NOT to be bullied.... even if it means he has to work with other kids to overwhelm the bully.
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A loner and a loser are people too,,,,
 
Willie-T

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Taro said:
I absolutely agree with you, it's the teacher who is accountable in creating a safe learning environment for kids, otherwise learning will never take place. Bullying is an adult problem unless adults take it seriously, kids will continue to get bullied. Turning a blind eye to bullying is doing a disservice not only to the victim but also the bully. It's a shame how many kids end up taking their own life because of bullying.
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Yes, as long as we adults keep on teaching them that their place in this world is dependent upon being coddled, and sheltered from the realities of that world, they WILL keep on killing themselves. Because we have given them no tools to live as men and women who have to make their own way. The world is the world. And if we send the naked into it, they will be eaten alive by the sharks and wolves that are very real out in that world.
 
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Willie-T said:
Well, it takes a little guts AND a little brains. The bully, you can be sure, is picking on more than just one kid..... BUT, if all those kids become friends because they have to in order to take care of this guy, THEN you do have friends.

If a kid insists on being a loner and a loser, and can't fight, then he simply needs to get used to being bullied. One thing you cannot force onto a person is the determination NOT to be bullied.... even if it means he has to work with other kids to overwhelm the bully.
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No child asks to be bullied. No child should ever expect to be bullied. No child should ever "get used to" being bullied. Bullying and dealing with bullies is not a right of passage of childhood. It should never, ever happen in the first place.

Regardless of what a child is like, even if they are, as you say "a loner and a loser", that child should not be bullied by his or her peers.
 
Willie-T

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A loner and a loser are people too,,,,
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Just as tiny countries are quite pitiful and helpless.... alone.... they get smart, and learn that they need to stand together as a group that can help and protect one another. Countries formed NATO, and weaker humans have to develop friends.
 
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Just as tiny countries are quite pitiful and helpless.... alone.... they get smart, and learn that they need to stand together as a group that can help and protect one another. Countries formed NATO, and weaker humans have to develop friends.
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There's is strength in weakness which you know nothing about
 
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Yahweh_is_gracious said:
No child asks to be bullied. No child should ever expect to be bullied. No child should ever "get used to" being bullied. Bullying and dealing with bullies is not a right of passage of childhood. It should never, ever happen in the first place.

Regardless of what a child is like, even if they are, as you say "a loner and a loser", that child should not be bullied by his or her peers.
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7th to 12th grade should have taught you that the world is REAL. "Should not's" don't go very far out where reality exists. You can wish in one hand, and squat and do something else in the other hand.... and I think you know which one will get filled-up first.
 
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