Excellent Excerpt on the Truth of Salvation and the True Gospel

[royalscot]

but sin is not counted where there is no law

 

[ForthAngel]

but sin is not counted where there is no law

I agree, but only those in Christ are free from the condemnation of the law. Not unregenerate sinners. The world is still fallen. How else would one come to Jesus unless they come to the realization that they are wretched sinners under the wrath of the Almighty God unless they turn from their ways, put their faith in Christ, and follow him?

Look at the secular view of the afterlife. Most people think that if they are good enough, they go to heaven, and in fact, MOST people think they are good people. They look at the rapist, or the murderer, or the child molester, and those are the bad people. They don't think they are bad people. But the bible teaches to the contrary. ALL have fallen short of the glory of God. NONE are righteous, not even one.

 

[royalscot]

I kinda see what you're saying now, but I don't agree.

Sin is still an issue. Jesus' death didn't fix that for the world. He is our escape from the condemnation of sin by grace through faith and the free gift of salvation through his life, death, burial, and resurrection. People are still bad. People are still evil. The world is still corrupted and in a fallen state.

Jesus didn't condemn the world while he was here. That wasn't his purpose. His purpose was to be a sacrifice on our behalf once and for all.

The message is still, you are a sinner in need of the saving grace of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. If you divorce sin from the gospel, you have a false gospel.

your message said your a sinner, you agree your a believer so how can you be a sinner.
acts 10 when did the gentile repent. and again why did they meet in acts 15 etc


but sin is not counted where there is no law

15 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.Hebrews 9

the old covenant is dead.

 

[ForthAngel]

your message said your a sinner, you agree your a believer so how can you be a sinner.
acts 10 when did the gentile repent. and again why did they meet in acts 15 etc


but sin is not counted where there is no law

15 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.Hebrews 9

the old covenant is dead.

My sin may not be counted, but I am STILL a sinner. I haven't achieved perfection, have you?

And furthermore, the message in the video was to unregenerate sinners, not those already saved.

 

[royalscot]

I agree, but only those in Christ are free from the condemnation of the law. Not unregenerate sinners. The world is still fallen. How else would one come to Jesus unless they come to the realization that they are wretched sinners under the wrath of the Almighty God unless they turn from their ways, put their faith in Christ, and follow him?

Look at the secular view of the afterlife. Most people think that if they are good enough, they go to heaven, and in fact, MOST people think they are good people. They look at the rapist, or the murderer, or the child molester, and those are the bad people. They don't think they are bad people. But the bible teaches to the contrary. ALL have fallen short of the glory of God. NONE are righteous, not even one.

i not interested what others think, prove your point through scripture is my view.
you were not born in the after life at first, you were born in a new covenant. the old covenant is dead.
you don t have a law. the sin of adam seperrated you from god.
if that is fixed before you were born. and before you believed, the new covenant dose not have a law. etc

 

[royalscot]

My sin may not be counted, but I am STILL a sinner. I haven't achieved perfection, have you?

And furthermore, the message in the video was to unregenerate sinners, not those already saved.

then your not a believer then.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death.Romans 8

Galatians 5: Christ Has Set Us Free
1 For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.
2 Look: I, Paul, say to you that if you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you.3 I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law.4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace

 

[ForthAngel]

i not interested what others think, prove your point through scripture is my view.
you were not born in the after life at first, you were born in a new covenant. the old covenant is dead.
you don t have a law. the sin of adam seperrated you from god.
if that is fixed before you were born. and before you believed, the new covenant dose not have a law. etc

My point of view is clear in the texts you have already cited.

I wasn't born into the new covenant, I was adopted into it as an adopted child of God through salvation and faith in Christ. This is basic Christianity.

Here are some more verses to add to the ones you have already cited:


John 1
9 The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

And one more:

1 John 1
8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.

 

[royalscot]

were there is no law, your free to be your self. and grow with god , at a level pace of your intellect , not that of others intellect etc

 

[ForthAngel]

were there is no law, your free to be your self. and grow with god , at a level pace of your intellect , not that of others intellect etc

Is the entire world without law? Everyone is born saved in the new covenant?

 

[royalscot]

My point of view is clear in the texts you have already cited.

I wasn't born into the new covenant, I was adopted into it as an adopted child of God through salvation and faith in Christ. This is basic Christianity.

Here are some more verses to add to the ones you have already cited:


John 1
9 The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

And one more:

1 John 1
8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.

are you going to answer or jump about on a pogo stick , the new covenant has no law. what law are you talking about, that made you a sinner. (acts 15)
what law are you talking about that made you a sinner

how did a gentile become a child of god, (no answer given from you.)

was that in a new covenant or an old covenant that you (refuse to answer again. )

again acts 15 never asked what law made a jewish person a sinner. but what law to give a gentile who has no law .

you quote a sinner after a believer has been given freedom from sin.

 

[royalscot]

Is the entire world without law? Everyone is born saved in the new covenant?

answer what you already been asked your yet to prove you have a law.

 

[royalscot]

what law are you talking about that made you a sinner .

 

[royalscot]

14 For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law.Romans 2

if the have no law what makes them a sinner.

 

[ForthAngel]

are you going to answer or jump about on a pogo stick , the new covenant has no law. what law are you talking about, that made you a sinner. (acts 15)
what law are you talking about that made you a sinner

how did a gentile become a child of god, (no answer given from you.)

was that in a new covenant or an old covenant that you (refuse to answer again. )

again acts 15 never asked what law made a jewish person a sinner. but what law to give a gentile who has no law .

you quote a sinner after a believer has been given freedom from sin.

I've been pretty concise and to the point I think.

You are trying to explain to me that Christians are free from the condemnation of the law. I agree. I'm not disputing that in the slightest.

I am in the New Covenant to answer your question. Most of the world IS NOT. Understand? Unless you are espousing universalism, which is heresy, then you cannot deny that MOST of the world is lost and HAS NOT entered into the new covenant with God through Christ. They are LOST, DEAD, DOOMED.

 

[ForthAngel]

14 For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law.Romans 2

if the have no law what makes them a sinner.

You are completely misunderstanding what Paul meant when he said we are free from the law of sin and death. He doesn't mean we never sin. You have to harmonize scripture. Look at 1 John 1.

We are free from the CONDEMNATION that accompanies sin, we are NOT sinless.

 

[ForthAngel]

then your not a believer then.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death.Romans 8

Galatians 5: Christ Has Set Us Free
1 For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.
2 Look: I, Paul, say to you that if you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you.3 I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law.4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace

You are misusing Galatians here as well. The audience being addressed are those who would return to the law for justification, rather than faith in Christ. This has nothing to do with being free of sin.

 

[karen0123]

your message said your a sinner, you agree your a believer so how can you be a sinner.
acts 10 when did the gentile repent. and again why did they meet in acts 15 etc


but sin is not counted where there is no law











15 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.Hebrews 9

the old covenant is dead.

Jesus kept the old covenant?

 

[preacher4truth]

Trying to distinguish Paul as some sort of Jewish only type of salvation is unbiblical and dangerous leading to much error.

Note 1 Timothy 1:16 - But I received mercy for this reason, that in me, as the foremost, Jesus Christ might display his perfect patience as an example to those who were to believe in him for eternal life.

 

[preacher4truth]

14 For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law.Romans 2

if the have no law what makes them a sinner.

Stop derailing this thread. If you want to preach your doctrine have some respect and go make your own thread. Thanks in advance.

 

[ForthAngel]

Stop derailing this thread. If you want to preach your doctrine have some respect and go make your own thread. Thanks in advance.

I contributed to it as well. I could have kept quiet. My bad.