Go look at his conclusion of what we must believe and practice because we believe in eternal security...2626
Those Who Deny Sin in a Believer
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Go look at his conclusion of what we must believe and practice because we believe in eternal security...2626
Now let me ask you a question. If you are once saved always saved, do you need to ask God for forgiveness when you sinned last week?
When people do that - it is a sign of having a carnal mind and not really knowing the love of the Father for them. The answer is to preach the grace of God in Christ because it teaches us how to live godly in this present world.
There is also the discipline of the Lord too but all this has nothing to do with the false doctrine that our Father sends His beloved children to hell after they are saved by grace through faith and are sealed with the Holy Spirit whom Jesus aid will be in you forever. Unless He is now a liar. Eph. 1:13 & John 14:16
This false demonically inspired doctrine that our Father throws His beloved children into hell after Christ comes to live in them that the enemy has put into the mind of man has caused more damage to the body of Christ then any other foul doctrine.
It denies the work of Christ and nullifies the very grace of God we need from operating in our lives like it was meant to. It denies the love, grace and mercy of God in Christ and it denies the whole "why" of the gospel in the first place.
A drowning man needs a Savior - not 5 lessons on how to swim and if you don't learn them and hold onto them - you will drown. A Savior saves people from their sins.
More out of context scriptures applied erroneously
He then goes on to give THREE examples of said teachers
a. WORKS
b. MONEY
c. Disregarding and usurping those who God has called and is using
You really should study more and put things in context and your statement "false grace" borders on ignorant
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eternally-gratefull
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Let me ask you a question, Do you think when God saved you, He knew about that sin you commited last week. yet saved you anyway?
and if you think you only committed one sin last week.. Well then we have even more issues.
NO...I wait like 3 to 6 months to build up my sins and then get right so I can have another 3 to 6 months to do as I please!
Yes, we do. We still need to confess our sins and ask forgiveness from God.. 
Salvation is for a lifetime, UNLESS you deny God. Then you lose your salvation forever..
Salvation is for a lifetime, UNLESS you deny God. Then you lose your salvation forever..
The word for "turn" in Jude 1:4 means to "replace" or "in place of" or " to transpose"...people are replacing the grace of God for something else.
It does not mean that people are "turning" grace into lewdness as the KJV seems to look like it is saying.
It has nothing to do with so-called grace/OSAS believers using grace as a license to sin which is constantly being accused of. Paul was slanderously accused of the very same thing when he taught grace.
Here are some scriptures where the exact same Greek word is used to see how it is used. You can readily see that the word means to transpose or to exchange from one place to another.
Acts 7:16 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] "From there they were removed to Shechem and laid in the tomb which Abraham had purchased for a sum of money from the sons of Hamor in Shechem.
Galatians 1:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Hebrews 11:5 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
Here is what the Greek word means:
"To transpose, put in another place and hence to transport, transfer"
Complete Word Study Dictionary, The - The Complete Word Study Dictionary – New Testament.
It does not mean that people are "turning" grace into lewdness as the KJV seems to look like it is saying.
It has nothing to do with so-called grace/OSAS believers using grace as a license to sin which is constantly being accused of. Paul was slanderously accused of the very same thing when he taught grace.
Here are some scriptures where the exact same Greek word is used to see how it is used. You can readily see that the word means to transpose or to exchange from one place to another.
Acts 7:16 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] "From there they were removed to Shechem and laid in the tomb which Abraham had purchased for a sum of money from the sons of Hamor in Shechem.
Galatians 1:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Hebrews 11:5 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
Here is what the Greek word means:
"To transpose, put in another place and hence to transport, transfer"
Complete Word Study Dictionary, The - The Complete Word Study Dictionary – New Testament.
Maybe you should read Jude again. "Contend earnestly for the faith". Why would it be necessary to contend for the faith? Unless it was possible to dis-believe?
Ofcourse he saved a person whilst they were still enemies of God. Now, does God leave the person unchanged? Back to you...
The contending for the faith is to oppose the false teachers that come on the scene pushing works, usurping the God called men and for financial gain...Jude does not teach the loss of salvation no matter how you twist it
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eternally-gratefull
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1. I did not ask you that, Please read and answer the question. Again, Did God not save you KNOWING you were going to commit that sin (whatever it was)
2. I already answered your question, And you know it..
No it doesnt mention works. It mentions lewdness in v4. Cant substitute at will.
Your scripture handle below your posts shows Romans 8v1. Why did you leave out the second part of this verse?
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eternally-gratefull
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The only difference between lewdness and legalism is the legalism thinks he does not sin.
Both, in pride, think they are ok with God. when reality is they are not.
Jude also said those people were condemned already, they were not saved and lost it, They never had it.
So to use this to support loss of salvation is pretty sad and shows lack of understanding of Jude.
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eternally-gratefull
Guest
Your skirting the question, why is this? Can you answer my question, Do not expect me to answer any of yours until you answer mine.
Simple. The same thing Jesus said to the woman being accused. Now go and sin no more.
Now, why are you leaving out the second part of Romans 8v1 from your signature?
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eternally-gratefull
Guest
No, You did not answer. (Do you think Jesus did not already know that girl would sin again?)
Why did God save you Give you eternal life, when he KNEw you already were going to commit that one sin, and probably many other sins.
Answer.. I am sick of you people never answering questions then trying to turn the tables..
Try again........Cain, Core (Korah) and Balaam<---who he compares them too....It seems we have another "cake taker" here!