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while it is correct to say God created Satan, it’s never correct to say that God created the sin within Satan. Satan chose his own way
Isaiah 14:12-14
“How you are fallen from heaven,
O Day Star, son of Dawn!
How you are cut down to the ground,
you who laid the nations low!
You said in your heart,
I will ascend to heaven;
above the stars of God
I will set my throne on high;
I will sit on the mount of assembly
in the far reaches of the north;
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds;
I will make myself like the Most High.’
God never causes sin
James 1:13
Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God,” for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempts no one.
Did God give free will to the Angels?
To me is seems so, otherwise Lucifer would not have chosen the path he did.
God did not create Satan with sin in him
Ezekiel 28:17
‘Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty;
You corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendor;
I cast you to the ground,
I laid you before kings,
That they might gaze at you.
The same is for us, we have free will to choose what we want to do.
Do we gaze at ourselves or do we gaze at our creator.
Truth is this side of eternity we will not fully understand what it is all about with satan and God.
Isaiah 55:8-9
“For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,” says the Lord.
“For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways,
And My thoughts than your thoughts.
One thing that is for sure
Revelation 20:10
Then the devil, who had deceived them, was thrown into the fiery lake of burning sulfur, joining the beast and the false prophet. There they will be tormented day and night forever.
Isaiah 14:12-14
“How you are fallen from heaven,
O Day Star, son of Dawn!
How you are cut down to the ground,
you who laid the nations low!
You said in your heart,
I will ascend to heaven;
above the stars of God
I will set my throne on high;
I will sit on the mount of assembly
in the far reaches of the north;
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds;
I will make myself like the Most High.’
God never causes sin
James 1:13
Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God,” for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempts no one.
Did God give free will to the Angels?
To me is seems so, otherwise Lucifer would not have chosen the path he did.
God did not create Satan with sin in him
Ezekiel 28:17
‘Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty;
You corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendor;
I cast you to the ground,
I laid you before kings,
That they might gaze at you.
The same is for us, we have free will to choose what we want to do.
Do we gaze at ourselves or do we gaze at our creator.
Truth is this side of eternity we will not fully understand what it is all about with satan and God.
Isaiah 55:8-9
“For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,” says the Lord.
“For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways,
And My thoughts than your thoughts.
One thing that is for sure
Revelation 20:10
Then the devil, who had deceived them, was thrown into the fiery lake of burning sulfur, joining the beast and the false prophet. There they will be tormented day and night forever.
have you done any statistical analysis to factor out the fact that half of the new testament is written by Paul?
or considered that the other apostles confirmed and validated Paul's teaching?
to make sure whether you are denigrating a particular apostle or the whole Bible.
suppose you had two kinds of unknown-flavor-chips and put them in a batch of cookies - one 18oz bag of brand P and one 6oz bag of brand Q.
then you taste the cookies and discover that they taste chocolatey.
"this is all brand P's fault! i declare brand P inedible!
and brand Q to be mild butterscotch!"
and brand Q to be mild butterscotch!"
((you proclaim))
but all along both bags were chocolate chips, and there's nothing wrong with chocolate ((especially in chip form in cookies)), except that you personally and irrationally don't like it, and have a fondness for the letter "Q." see the important thing here would be to look at the ingredient list on the bag instead of doing a blind 1-variable approximation to model a 2-variable process whose endpoints you haven't actually measured.
and the ingredient in brand P?
Jesus the Christ, the Son of God, who is the only way to the Father. read the book of Acts.
and welcome back to the forums again btw -- enjoy your visit!
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Re: Why dont yall spot Satans tricks to get you to fight?
Y'all argue about lots of things.
We argue about things.
It doesn't get nasty unless we don't love or respect one another EG.
When I cant find in my heart either, love or respect for another person on CC ,I just stop talking to them because nothing godly will come from the conversation.
The way I view the world is that my brothers and sisters in Christ may not always agree with me but if we keep looking at Jesus and following Him, we will end up in the same place for eternity.
The main point is the other person being lead by the Holy Spirit? Do they have the gospel or do they need to hear it preached and see it loved in my life?
Why do people come here to CC? Depleted started a good thread asking that question.
.it was enlighting to read folks answers.
Y'all argue about lots of things.
We argue about things.
It doesn't get nasty unless we don't love or respect one another EG.
When I cant find in my heart either, love or respect for another person on CC ,I just stop talking to them because nothing godly will come from the conversation.
The way I view the world is that my brothers and sisters in Christ may not always agree with me but if we keep looking at Jesus and following Him, we will end up in the same place for eternity.
The main point is the other person being lead by the Holy Spirit? Do they have the gospel or do they need to hear it preached and see it loved in my life?
Why do people come here to CC? Depleted started a good thread asking that question.
.it was enlighting to read folks answers.
Ariel. Here's how the process is when u die. A small light appears in front of you then swallows you and you travel in a light speed until you come across the presence of the Glory then the Glory asks you if you've loved others like they way He's loved you and not your denomination or if you just believe in Christ or any manifestation. Oh by the way everyone gets to heaven which is getting closer to the Light that is God. No one remains in the dark. It's all for learning purposes.
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I think people need to start spending time reading, re-reading, and re-reading again, other people's posts before they go and reply to them. Maybe then there would be no misunderstandings, misquotes, etc.. just saying.
A lot of it comes from our background. We are told by people we trust what people believe. And it does not matter how many times that person deny's it, We trust who told us more than we trusty the people themselves. So we will go with those we trust.