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Peterjens, spiritual discernment non'existent
Libel, very high almost on any terms.
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Okay that's about as much acting like you i can stomach..
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"Jesus said this about the teachers of the law"
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Wait don't you teach that folks need to follow the law to keep their salvation?
Take a break from insulting and attacking me for a bit and talk about the Gospel and how God saves His people.
Libel, very high almost on any terms.
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Okay that's about as much acting like you i can stomach..
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"Jesus said this about the teachers of the law"
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Wait don't you teach that folks need to follow the law to keep their salvation?
Take a break from insulting and attacking me for a bit and talk about the Gospel and how God saves His people.
I think what he is trying to say is that the emotion of guilt is suppressed. Often emotionally repressed people, and there are a lot of them, speak in a certain way. Maybe what they mean to say is humble to them, but it comes across overbearing and cold - loveless.
PeterJens has a lot of love in what he says. And yes he might make mistakes in what he says, don't all of us. Emotionally repressed people often look for mistakes in others, because they can make a scapegoat for their own mistakes which often they try to put across as non-existant. It's just suppression of emotion, and it often carries an angry or aggressive undertone, that they do not see, but will try and find someone to accuse of it.
PeterJens has a lot of love in what he says. And yes he might make mistakes in what he says, don't all of us. Emotionally repressed people often look for mistakes in others, because they can make a scapegoat for their own mistakes which often they try to put across as non-existant. It's just suppression of emotion, and it often carries an angry or aggressive undertone, that they do not see, but will try and find someone to accuse of it.
My sins are forgiven -- all my sin was future at the time of the cross.
In fact, all the things written against me were nailed to the cross, they were cancelled out, all the debts are gone. - Colossians 2:14.
What we have here in this thread are actually diablos, accusers of the brothers, seeking to place them under a yoke of bondage when we are free in Christ; John 8:35. Yes, these are no different in behavior than what is conveyed to us in Revelation 12:10.
That, however, doesn't negate the fact of 1 John 1:8, that we do sin, and to not walk in Christ, and to not confess doesn't portend loss of salvation, but loss of fellowship. We will still sin in this body, but we are saved, that is rescued from impending danger the moment Christ saved us, and that salvation is eternal in scope. Remember Paul foremost of sinners, in the present tense, yet in the context of 1 Timothy 1:15 he shows his perfect and completed salvation.
In fact, all the things written against me were nailed to the cross, they were cancelled out, all the debts are gone. - Colossians 2:14.
What we have here in this thread are actually diablos, accusers of the brothers, seeking to place them under a yoke of bondage when we are free in Christ; John 8:35. Yes, these are no different in behavior than what is conveyed to us in Revelation 12:10.
That, however, doesn't negate the fact of 1 John 1:8, that we do sin, and to not walk in Christ, and to not confess doesn't portend loss of salvation, but loss of fellowship. We will still sin in this body, but we are saved, that is rescued from impending danger the moment Christ saved us, and that salvation is eternal in scope. Remember Paul foremost of sinners, in the present tense, yet in the context of 1 Timothy 1:15 he shows his perfect and completed salvation.
For you I will slow it down. If you believe the sin you commit today has
already been forgiven by you coming to faith, you do not have to do anything
about it, and therefore not feel guilty etc.
This is different to after commiting sin, repenting, confessing and accepting
Christs forgiveness for these actions after they have passed.
Now what is a little vexing Ariel, is you should know by now what I believe and
why, because I do not change my belief system, without a major declaration and
making it simple. You seem to want to play dumb. It leads me to suspect you
believe too much in your own insight and position, and want to prove some overriding
principle that I really need to understand.
It appears to be do not confront apostates, and sin. I was told at length they were
determined to confront me and expose my failure. They have given up, praise the Lord,
because they have literally nothing to say.
What is absurd is after weeks of being told about some obvious things I am missing,
nothing. Because they do not actually exist other than in their thinking and they really
have no answer. So as time goes by, their theology will collapse.
I am commanded to treat apostates as unbelievers, so I have no respect for either their
approach or their opinions. And that is fine by me, because they have no interest in
anything I share and make it very plain, they regard it all as evil. It is interesting this
progression they have made, but it is also inevitable. God bless.
already been forgiven by you coming to faith, you do not have to do anything
about it, and therefore not feel guilty etc.
This is different to after commiting sin, repenting, confessing and accepting
Christs forgiveness for these actions after they have passed.
Now what is a little vexing Ariel, is you should know by now what I believe and
why, because I do not change my belief system, without a major declaration and
making it simple. You seem to want to play dumb. It leads me to suspect you
believe too much in your own insight and position, and want to prove some overriding
principle that I really need to understand.
It appears to be do not confront apostates, and sin. I was told at length they were
determined to confront me and expose my failure. They have given up, praise the Lord,
because they have literally nothing to say.
What is absurd is after weeks of being told about some obvious things I am missing,
nothing. Because they do not actually exist other than in their thinking and they really
have no answer. So as time goes by, their theology will collapse.
I am commanded to treat apostates as unbelievers, so I have no respect for either their
approach or their opinions. And that is fine by me, because they have no interest in
anything I share and make it very plain, they regard it all as evil. It is interesting this
progression they have made, but it is also inevitable. God bless.
Theological end game
All sin forgiven, so no one judged for sin.
All judgement only on belief or unbelief in Christ.
Once you come to faith in Christ, you are saved forever.
If you later fall into unbelief you must logically loose your salvation, or
else judgement is unjust. Oppppppps.
So if you can loose your salvation it is dependent and conditional over time.
If this is so behaviour matters. If behaviour matters, then the whole system
of anti-law, anti-rules and condemnation of love expressed through obedience is
wrong. But for many this is too high an emotional payment to make, and so
this contradiction of unbelief will be ignored, though it destroys everything and
shows the system does not work.
All sin forgiven, so no one judged for sin.
All judgement only on belief or unbelief in Christ.
Once you come to faith in Christ, you are saved forever.
If you later fall into unbelief you must logically loose your salvation, or
else judgement is unjust. Oppppppps.
So if you can loose your salvation it is dependent and conditional over time.
If this is so behaviour matters. If behaviour matters, then the whole system
of anti-law, anti-rules and condemnation of love expressed through obedience is
wrong. But for many this is too high an emotional payment to make, and so
this contradiction of unbelief will be ignored, though it destroys everything and
shows the system does not work.
Verb tense and context alleviates the fallacy of losing salvation......it is based upon the work, faith, grace, love, mercy, justification, sealing, sanctification of JESUS, the HOLY SPIRIT and POWER of GOD.....wake up...
HE that began a GOOD WORK will finish it
NOTHING shall separate us from the love of Christ/Father
Whatsoever God does it is EVERLASTING
HE that began a GOOD WORK will finish it
NOTHING shall separate us from the love of Christ/Father
Whatsoever God does it is EVERLASTING
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Yes, Amen to that. Free in Christ. Because of what He accomplished. I did NOTHING, I wasn't even there 
So that not only could we be freed from Hell and go to Heaven, but so that He could come from Heaven and live in us, work with us. Complete a work in us. Not by my works, in case I boast, but His work. It is ALL about HIM! I live out of the abundance of what I have! The inheritance that has been given to me. Complete and eternal. I now know Him.
Hallelujah. our God is Almighty!
So that not only could we be freed from Hell and go to Heaven, but so that He could come from Heaven and live in us, work with us. Complete a work in us. Not by my works, in case I boast, but His work. It is ALL about HIM! I live out of the abundance of what I have! The inheritance that has been given to me. Complete and eternal. I now know Him.
Hallelujah. our God is Almighty!
p4t - please get off you high horse and listen a little.
The law is only a burden if you break it. If in Christ you fulfill the law because love
transforms you through the cross, it is the key to knowing the cross and its freedom.
But anyone to do this, they have to get serious about being lost and the need for Christ
love and the cross. It feels like the most barren place one can go, because in a real way
we have to die and be resurrected in Christ.
What I can testify to, is if you do not know what I am talking about, you need this.
For Peter it was denying Jesus 3 times. All his enthusiasm was his and not the Lords,
it had to go. The other reality is this process is not a one time event but many, many
events that add up to a new creation.
It strikes me with you automatic fire, you do not know this reality in your own life
but have all these boxes you put everyone in to make it all safe for you.
God bless you.
The law is only a burden if you break it. If in Christ you fulfill the law because love
transforms you through the cross, it is the key to knowing the cross and its freedom.
But anyone to do this, they have to get serious about being lost and the need for Christ
love and the cross. It feels like the most barren place one can go, because in a real way
we have to die and be resurrected in Christ.
What I can testify to, is if you do not know what I am talking about, you need this.
For Peter it was denying Jesus 3 times. All his enthusiasm was his and not the Lords,
it had to go. The other reality is this process is not a one time event but many, many
events that add up to a new creation.
It strikes me with you automatic fire, you do not know this reality in your own life
but have all these boxes you put everyone in to make it all safe for you.
God bless you.
Are your sins forgiven PeterJens?
The following statement is illogical:
"Guys who say their sin is already forgiven deny they have any guilt at all."
Jesus says our sins are forgiven and paid for BY THE CROSS. That has ALREADY HAPPENED.
To call it a SIN is to ADMIT GUILT.
For you I will slow it down. If you believe the sin you commit today has
already been forgiven by you coming to faith, you do not have to do anything
about it, and therefore not feel guilty etc.
If you want to engage "For you I will slow it down" is not the way to start a dialogue.
Just by those very opening words you come accross as if Ariel82 is thick which I hope you don't think or wish to convey, because you talk an awful lot about walking in love (which is correct by the way)
Can you quote any post that our precious sister in Christ has made that she states she does not have do to anything about her sin when she does sin and therefore not feel guilty about it?
If you can then you prove your point, if you can't then your point is not valid.
My "high horse" is the finished work of Christ and the salvation He secured when I believed, Ephesians 1. If anyone ohas a high horse of another, it is you. You talk of yourself constantly, and of how loving, sinless, and righteous you are. That in itself is enough of a red flag to tell at least me you're a false teacher. You just do not understand the Gospel.
I've listened to enough of your drivel and heresy. One has to have some sort of problem to go on as you do 24/7/365 talking about "loosing" salvation and telling others to not trust in the finished work of Christ and telling others they're lost. And you've employed another moniker to help you in mj007. Please get some help, and I mean that.
I've listened to enough of your drivel and heresy. One has to have some sort of problem to go on as you do 24/7/365 talking about "loosing" salvation and telling others to not trust in the finished work of Christ and telling others they're lost. And you've employed another moniker to help you in mj007. Please get some help, and I mean that.
