Not By Works

[Ariel82]

Lol

I am cute and cuddly, but I would kill a snake or slay a giant if God asked me to.

Just because I am a child of God, doesn't mean He hasn't equipped me with His armor or taught me to wield His sword.

Folks get a false idea of who I am because I say that God's message is to love your enemy and as much as you are able to live in peace with your fellow man,

People think it weak when I tell them to
Forgive even those who don't deserve it. To give God your anger every night.

People think it's hyper legalism to point out condemning others as lost and not knowing God is called murder by Jesus.

If I am seen as weak, so be it, because through my weakness I find God's strength and truth.

 

[blue_ladybug]

God is FAR from being cute and cuddly. He's not a puppy. Apparently you see no point in correcting or interacting with all us psychopaths, so why do you keep doing it?? You've stated in previous posts that nutcases aren't worth associating with.

blue = Jesus spent most of His time with sinners and the needy, teaching, healing and
loving people.

He knew who hated Him and warned there is no point correcting them, they will just
try and kill you. He had enough first hand experience of this.

Here on cc a few words and you are labelled, lied about, told you have sins in ....
and then told you know nothing. I suppose what choice do people have if the word
tells them something, they have no argument against what is being said, it must be
the enemy causing this problem. God would not be bringing such news, he is cute
and cuddly and would not hurt a fly.

Truth is the brutal cross, blood running down, death and allegiance to love above the
world. Nothing cute and nice or even safe in a worldly sense, just true.

 

[PeterJens]

NO ONE on this earth is righteous. GOD says so. And yes, God does judge us, not only for our sins, but for every word that escapes our mouths.. According to you, several here are psychopaths, and you have no right to judge that based on how they act or what they say. There is only ONE judge, and it ain't you..

Blue - I would never call someone a psychopath, because you have to do a test and score
above 15 points of the scale of indicators. I worked with a guy who was on the scale.

I talked about traits as a warning. So I cannot plead guilty to something I have not done.

You do yourself more harm than good trying to pin me down. I must have hurt you, and
I am sorry. There is such a vast array of contributors here, it is difficult or impossible to
pitch what one is saying to the different audiences.

I respect you very much for your history and how the Lord has pulled you through different
situations that would pull me apart. Attacking me for something which I am not doing is
a waste. I would like to encourage you with the blessing God has given you and His overflowing
bounty, because He has good things in store for you, God bless.

 

[Ariel82]

Faith, Hope, love and Salvation are all gifts that CANNOT be labored for and or kept by labor....

My brother GAVE me a new handgun for my birthday....I did not have to work for it to get it or keep it!

What if someone tries to steal your handgun?

Wouldn't you have to "work" to keep it?

 

[blue_ladybug]

In several posts, you HAVE called us and I quote, "nutjobs", "psychopaths", and just yesterday you told ME that I have "joined my friends on the funny farm." :/ Please don't deny it, because I will gladly go back and find those posts for you..

Blue - I would never call someone a psychopath, because you have to do a test and score
above 15 points of the scale of indicators. I worked with a guy who was on the scale.

I talked about traits as a warning. So I cannot plead guilty to something I have not done.

You do yourself more harm than good trying to pin me down. I must have hurt you, and
I am sorry. There is such a vast array of contributors here, it is difficult or impossible to
pitch what one is saying to the different audiences.

I respect you very much for your history and how the Lord has pulled you through different
situations that would pull me apart. Attacking me for something which I am not doing is
a waste. I would like to encourage you with the blessing God has given you and His overflowing
bounty, because He has good things in store for you, God bless.

 

[Ariel82]

"

He knew who hated Him and warned there is no point correcting them, they will just
try and kill you. He had enough first hand experience of this."


No point? Yet our of love we follow Jesus example and still try and correct those enslaved in their own sins and lies.
So they might be free of the chains that bind them an truly follow God. Not just in word but in Spirit and in Truth.

It pointles blue. He will not admit to sinning, so why should he repent?

 

[PeterJens]

I have a spiritual dilemma.

Someone is saying I need to repent for saying a believer who says I am sending people
to hell as well as myself is actually a believer in Christ, a brother worthy of being respected
and being open hearted to, is nuts.

Now to me behaviour is life. Everything I do is behaviour, thinking, sleeping, eating, talking.
There is nothing I do that is not behaviour. To deny I am something else than behaviour is
to deny existance. Now if you cannot take this on board, name something to yourself that
you do that is not behaviour. We are defined by our behaviour, in thought, word and deed.

Now is super spiritual land you can become like God, a child of heaven but it does not change
you. Impossible. Either it happens and you change or nothing happens and it all stays the
same. So the Holy Spirit comes to dwell in human vessels, but they are not Holy, pure or
clean. So the Holy Spirit defiles himself by dwelling with impure creatures. Some go so far
as to say evil spirits can also dwell in a person at the same time. Very demeaning to God.

God came to the cross, but the cross will not change us fundamentally. Love is just one
emotion, which is part of the distant legal equation of reconciliation with God, but nothing
really personal or earth shattering. Not the gospel. The cross is everything, and this love
turns us upside down, blows our heads and changes our hearts.

But I am meant to repent of saying this and accept God is just a second class belief that
people participate in when they feel like it, and then probably not much.

And for me being blown away by Christ, the Holy Spirit, what He does I am evil...

Did not know the enemy spoke through so many people so close to home.
And that is it.

The thing is I walk in love and testify to what He is doing. It is up to you to decide
what you do, I can to no more, God bless,

 

[dcontroversal]

What if someone tries to steal your handgun?

Wouldn't you have to "work" to keep it?

Ummmmm no comparison to salvation based upon...

I am sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise
I am in the Father's hand
I am in the Son's Hand
Jesus promised to finish what he started with me and raise me up at the last day
Salvation cannot be stolen and or lost.

To the gun point....no...I would

a. Pick up another weapon and deal with it
b. Put a Marine Corp --- whipping on them and then call the ambulance

 

[blue_ladybug]

Right here, from your own mouth...

Being totally honest, dc talks about vitriol, hatred, false accusations etc.

But what I am sharing is nothing about his faith or position, but just what it means
to walk with Christ and why we are saved.

All his projections are his own, and nothing to do with me. I cannot even engage with nut cases, because there is no rationalising with them.

If you meet a psychopath you do not go up to them and tell them how badly others
feel about their behaviour, because they do not care and have no empathy. You just
isolate them, and put them in prison, to keep their insanity and abuse from effecting
others. I cannot even feel hurt, because when you are rejoicing in God it is meaningless
to be told you do not know God and need to gain fellowship with the living God.

It made me laugh when a hard hearted brutal man told me I did not know love, and the love
I had was fake, worldly love and not Christs love. It is like meeting a nutcase from a mental hospital who cannot read another person, understand their experience and then adjust their
message. Engagement is pointless, because they are so cut off their only goal is destruction
and telling you their mantra.

So if you know Jesus and His cross Amen, I love you brother or sister. Let us have fellowship
and grow in the ways of the Lord. To the rest, God bless you, do not know how I can help you,
I hope you have a good day, goodbye.

Sorry ariel, they are nuts. Anyone who says behavior does not matter has gone nuts. As humans everything is about behaviour. We spend 20+ years learning culture
and how to behave as adults.

But hey, here is a faith that says, believe in God and behaviour is no longer relevant.

I know a bunch of nutcases in Islam who follow a similar approach. Killing people is
no longer murder, it is execution for ...... fill in the blanks.
And you can do what you like, as long as it is not banned.

I had one guy telling me life was based on facts and not emotions.
Some seriously repressed guy, and living in cloud cockoo land.
Emotions are so fundamental we keep them under wraps because we
too easily go haywire. It is why it takes so long to grow up, to match
emotions to sense. And Jesus is all about making sense of emotional,
spiritual and intellectual life. Miss this and you miss Him.

Actually I do DC is a nutcase. But not a psychopath, I was just using this as an
illustration, and being hard hearted, could be dc, but there are plenty of other examples
of this I have come across.

One guy said because I did not recognise him as being able to speak things into existance
exnihilo I would be struck down and be a heap. Well, did not happen and he went off in
his nutcase belief system. Guys who believe they have real authority can show it by walking
on water, and then come back and testify to the glory of God. It they cannot do this simple
demonstration of authority, they are just deluded.

The other funny thing, is dc has called me all names I could think of, but I am not bothered,
because I know his mo, and it does not work if you know they are nuts.

I learnt this when dealing with someone with schizophrenia. It is hard if you feel there is hope
of getting respect and you have done something wrong that needs correcting, the empathetic
response. But once you realise they nutcases are just manipulating your empathy, the bond
in broken, the power removed.

So blue, hate to say, but you have joined your friends in the funny farm.

 

[dcontroversal]

In several posts, you HAVE called us and I quote, "nutjobs", "psychopaths", and just yesterday you told ME that I have "joined my friends on the funny farm." :/ Please don't deny it, because I will gladly go back and find those posts for you..

Again....vacillating is a very accurate word to describe the actions of more than a few on this site......just saying.......

 

[PeterJens]

In several posts, you HAVE called us and I quote, "nutjobs", "psychopaths", and just yesterday you told ME that I have "joined my friends on the funny farm." :/ Please don't deny it, because I will gladly go back and find those posts for you..

So blue, hate to say, but you have joined your friends in the funny farm.

Blue - you are not very good at this.

I do regard dc as nuts. I have my reasons, mainly he has no restraint or sense,
and rants more than makes good points. Reminds me of Utah. You know were that ends.

I wonder if dealing with philosophical concepts is above some peoples pay grade?

Good people - Gods people
Evil people - doomed to judgement

Stick with this and you will not go too far wrong.

 

[blue_ladybug]

​Well what MY point to Peter is, and he seems to fail to understand, is that if he doesn't want people to take offense at being called those names, then he shouldn't make statements such as "they are nuts", "I do think dc is a nutcase" or "blue, you have joined your friends on the funny farm"... And likening people to Islamic murderers isn't good either. I'm sure he COULD have used better words to make a clearer example.

 

[blue_ladybug]

Whether you think he's nuts or not, the point is, YOU POSTED IT ON AN OPEN FORUM. You SHOULD have kept your thoughts about him to yourself. You knew it would put him on the defensive.. And don't attack Utah. He isn't here to defend himself.. You not only insulted DC, but myself and many others here.. I could call you derogatory names but I won't.. I have more tact than that.

Blue - you are not very good at this.

I do regard dc as nuts. I have my reasons, mainly he has no restraint or sense,
and rants more than makes good points. Reminds me of Utah. You know were that ends.

I wonder if dealing with philosophical concepts is above some peoples pay grade?

Good people - Gods people
Evil people - doomed to judgement

Stick with this and you will not go too far wrong.

 

[PeterJens]

Blue - thankyou for proving my point better than I could.

You may realise I know who my enemy are, and that I love them, and know how
wrong and idiotic it all is.

But it does not annoy me. When you meet a terrorist who at 16 blew up people
in a pub, you know hatred knows no boundaries or sense.

Evil always leads to death. It may do it subtly making innocents heinous criminals
guilty of all the problems in society or more openly by just physically hurting people.

And the 2nd world war proves, unless good people speak up, whatever comes next
is far worse than if people keep silent and act like cowards.

And the faith for which we contend, many of us may have to die for. So I would
suggest people get to grips with the basics of knowing Christ, or it is literally all
in vain. A bit like the crusaders launching off to war in Jerusalem believing they
would go straight to heaven if they die. Pretty dumb.

 

[blue_ladybug]

Yes, you "love them" so much that you call them derogatory names, then deflect and make light of it. :/ And if loving your enemy is "idiotic", then why do you do it? Of course evil leads to death, and we ALL gonna die for our faith...

Blue - thankyou for proving my point better than I could.

You may realise I know who my enemy are, and that I love them, and know how
wrong and idiotic it all is.

But it does not annoy me. When you meet a terrorist who at 16 blew up people
in a pub, you know hatred knows no boundaries or sense.

Evil always leads to death. It may do it subtly making innocents heinous criminals
guilty of all the problems in society or more openly by just physically hurting people.

And the 2nd world war proves, unless good people speak up, whatever comes next
is far worse than if people keep silent and act like cowards.

And the faith for which we contend, many of us may have to die for. So I would
suggest people get to grips with the basics of knowing Christ, or it is literally all
in vain. A bit like the crusaders launching off to war in Jerusalem believing they
would go straight to heaven if they die. Pretty dumb.

 

[dcontroversal]

How clear is....

NOT BY WORKS of righteousness which we have done<---past tense
BUT according to his mercy has HE SAVED US<---PAST TENSE

It is simple....and yet people still wish to interject self, works, religionism etc. to attempt to embellish and or earn what has already been given by mercy, grace and faith

 

[PeterJens]

Whether you think he's nuts or not, the point is, YOU POSTED IT ON AN OPEN FORUM. You SHOULD have kept your thoughts about him to yourself. You knew it would put him on the defensive.. And don't attack Utah. He isn't here to defend himself.. You not only insulted DC, but myself and many others here.. I could call you derogatory names but I won't.. I have more tact than that.

dc is quite happy to claim I am going to hell and sending others there as well.

As a believer I cannot say that about anyone. So I have to put him outside my
definition of being sane into the nuts category where belief beyond reason kicks
in.

It is also why some contributors who are say reasonable things but are none condemning
I would leave alone. dc wants the full put them in their place, but with no ammunition
just like EG. Quite a pair they make up, lol

 

[PeterJens]

Yes, you "love them" so much that you call them derogatory names, then deflect and make light of it. :/ And if loving your enemy is "idiotic", then why do you do it? Of course evil leads to death, and we ALL gonna die for our faith...

blue - If I am out of fellowship with a condemner, because all they do is condemn
and stir up trouble, there is nothing left to say. The argument was not started by
me, or even the accusations of who is sending people to hell.

I would never say a brother is sending anyone to hell, that is way beyond my language,
but then maybe this is beyond your understanding of who I am. There will always be
noise and brutish people pushing there way around. You just avoid falling trees,
because nothing is going to stop it falling down.

 

[blue_ladybug]

Here is another thing I will point out about you. In several of your posts, you subtly insult people. EG has nothing to do with this, yet you're dragging him into it. God never said to insult your enemies. :/ He said to love them, but IMO you ain't showing ANY of Christ's love to them at all...

dc is quite happy to claim I am going to hell and sending others there as well.

As a believer I cannot say that about anyone. So I have to put him outside my
definition of being sane into the nuts category where belief beyond reason kicks
in.

It is also why some contributors who are say reasonable things but are none condemning
I would leave alone. dc wants the full put them in their place, but with no ammunition
just like EG. Quite a pair they make up, lol

 

[blue_ladybug]

Then you need to shake off the dust, and stop replying to them..

blue - If I am out of fellowship with a condemner, because all they do is condemn
and stir up trouble, there is nothing left to say. The argument was not started by
me, or even the accusations of who is sending people to hell.

I would never say a brother is sending anyone to hell, that is way beyond my language,
but then maybe this is beyond your understanding of who I am. There will always be
noise and brutish people pushing there way around. You just avoid falling trees,
because nothing is going to stop it falling down.