Why do you hate Muslims? (Yes, I'm aware this only applies to some people on here.)

[ROSSELLA]

So, I've read a lot of extremely hateful posts about Muslims on here (and if it's not hatred, then they're doing a really good job of disguising it). Not about Islamic terrorists. About Muslims in general. I get not agreeing with their religion; we should never condone a religion that goes against what God has set forth. But I simply don't see the level of hatred directed at Jews or Buddhists as I do towards Muslims. A lot of the posts mention how Islam supports killing Christians; I haven't read the Quran, but from what I can tell from sites written by Islam, the Quran merely says to fight against those who attack them. Maybe it's different in other countries, but I've lived in America my whole life and no Muslim has ever tried to attack or kill me.

I've also had people say that you never hear about Christian terrorists, only Islamic ones, but that's simply not true. We might not call them Christian terrorists, but whenever someone claiming to be a Christian attacks someone because they're gay or not a Christian, that's terrorism. Might not happen as much anymore, but when it does we point out that that goes against God's word and say the terrorists aren't Christian. Likewise, many Muslims say that Islamic terrorists aren't true Muslims.

So why do some people on here hate Muslims (again, I'm not talking about Islamic terrorists; while Christians shouldn't hate anyone, I get angry at murders, too. I'm talking about Muslims who aren't terrorists)?

 

[MattforJesus]

Feed and clothe your enemies,and there is no distinction of the extreme and mellow,but feed and clothe your enemies.

We are not to hate Muslims,no matter how extreme they are,for we are to love all people regardless how they act.

It is not our position to hate anyone,but want the best for them no matter how they act,for they are God's property,although we do not like their behavior,we still have to want the best for them,but that is is the best for them according to what God would have them acquire.

Mat 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you.

The saints are spiritual,they need not worry about the physical dominion of this world,and Jesus said do not fear what they can do to the body,but can do no more,but fear God,and love your enemies no matter how they act.

If they kick the crap out of you,love them.If they beat your dog,love them.If they vandalize your vehicle,say blessings upon you.If they hit you on one cheek,turn the other cheek to them.

Render not evil for evil,and do not resist evil in the physical sense,but resist evil in the spiritual sense.

 

[Magenta]

Where are these hateful attacks on Muslims? Calling Islam
evil is one thing... no Christian should shrink from that.

The Koran has one hundred and nine verses explicitly
instructing violence against the non believer (us).

[video=youtube;qv1cWoa-N_U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv1cWoa-N_U[/video]

 

[shrimp]

Honestly? I only hate pedophiles and child molestors and I have ZERO respect for anyone who props up and follows one as a prophet, especially when he spews false doctrine that was made up for his own evil desires.

 

[Magenta]

[video=youtube;fgsrnmzxEUY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgsrnmzxEUY[/video]

Point number two @ 3:12 Striving to institute sharia law is a religious duty.

Many people don't realize how politically oriented Islam is at its core.
In fact, Islam is less of a religion than it is a religious ideology.

It includes a mandatory and highly specific legal and political plan for
the whole society: Sharia. There is no separation between the religious
and the political in Islam. Rather, Islam and Sharia constitute a
totalitarian means of ordering society at every level, including:

ritual worship, transactions and contracts, morals and manners,
beliefs, and punishments. In the Quran, Islam makes it clear that
man made governments such as a democracy, and free speech,
such as criticizing the quran, are abominations, and must be eliminated.

The modern expression, "creeping sharia" is used to describe the slow
deliberate and methodical advance of Islamic law in non Muslim counties.

Official sharia courts already operate in the UK, handling cases ranging
from divorce and financial disputes to domestic violence. Attempts to
introduce sharia in the legal system in Germany, Sweden and other
European countries are ongoing.

While sharia already has a foot in our door in the matter of minor disputes
like inheritance and domestic violence, it should concern you that sharia:

commands that drinkers and gamblers should be whipped; allows husbands
to hit their wives; allows an injured plaintiff to exact legal revenge,
literally an eye for an eye; commands that a thief must have a hand cut off;
commands that homosexuals must be executed; orders unmarried fornicators
to be whipped, and adulterers to be stoned to death; orders death for Muslim
and non Muslim critics of Muhammad, the quran, and even sharia itself; orders
apostates to be killed; commands offensive, aggressive, and unjust jihad.

As written in the quran, sharia is the law of Allah; any other form
of government is a sin. It is the duty of every Muslim to keep striving
until all governments have been converted to sharia law.

 

[MattforJesus]

We are not to hate the Muslims,as a person,but we are to hate their wrongful Muslim practices,as well as the world's wrongful practices,and boy do I hate them,and God said hate evil.

 

[JaimeMartinez26]

ya i dont hate muslims... but if you know even a little about that religion

you know they have in the past are right now and will in the future kill many for not bowing down to the lies in the quran

not by man twisting the words in it and acting on their own belief
but by following what it says


people try to pin the crusades on christians because of the men who DIDNT follow the word and DID twist what it says


also ive spoken with a muslim who said they would be willing to kill me as i prayed for them and feel justified
"but hopes it wont come to that"

the fruits of the Word turned me from violent man and seeking to do harm

to someone who now would rather not fight back
and soon to be if not already someone who WILL NOT fight back
because my Father in heaven will take care of it on judgement day


the quran will take a non violent man and turn him into a murderer if he follows the teachings


i dont suggest you look for them
but ive seen many killings by highly praised muslims

still dont hate them

but i know how evil and twisted their false religion is

 

[Magenta]

If mandated murder for refusing to submit to their
false god, and child rape is not wrong, what is???

On another note...

Many people in America have not heard about what has been going on for at least the last three years. If it succeeds it will do away with your freedom of speech.

I want you to know that I don’t get caught up in all of these conspiracy theories that are always going around. I do my best to stay as far as I can from this kind of thing. However, when I am faced with facts from reliable and credible sources I feel that we must at least listen to them.

What we will be looking at today is something that is going on in the United Nations. It is a resolution that has been passes and, if it is implemented in the United States, it will rob us of our First Amendment rights. There are great efforts by some to get this to happen.

Many of you will say that this can never happen here in the United States. Let me remind you that I lived most of my life in the United Kingdom. There were things that people said would happen and I was one of the skeptics. I said that these things would never happen in the UK. For example they said Shariah law courts would be opening in Britain and I, like many others, said that can’t happen. I was wrong, it did happen.

There are things that are going on that pose a great threat to our rights and our way of life and our attention is being misdirected to keep us from seeing them. I want to draw our attention to one of those things today.

You must listen to this broadcast and be informed about what Islamic nations are pushing through the United Nations. The OIC, which is the Organization of the Islamic Conference, votes as a 57 member block in the UN and they have a growing influence in UN resolutions. They desire to make it a crime if anyone blasphemes or speaks critically about Islam. Two dangerous resolutions have been passed to bring about their goal:

Today we will look at UN Resolution 16/18. It was originally called the Defamation of Religion Resolution. It said that if anyone defamed another’s religion it would be considered a criminal offense. Think about this! If you view someone else’s religion as wrong or hurtful, and speak out against it, you would be guilty of a crime.

UN Resolution 16/18

Resolution 16/18 has been passed in the UN on multiple occasions over the last ten years. Each time it passes adds to precedence, and after sufficient time, international pressure is brought to bare, forcing nations to submit to “international law.”

We had Deborah Weiss on today’s broadcast. Deborah is an attorney, she has written a number of articles for Front Page Magazine, she writes for the Washington Times. She lives in Washington DC. She is the foremost expert on

Resolution 16/18. I had the opportunity to interview here when I was at some meetings in Washington DC. You can read some of her articles on this subject by clicking here. Most of what follows come from this interview with her.

The Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) is composed of 56 member states plus the Palestinian Authority. They tend to vote together as a block in the UN. They are the largest voting block in the UN and most people have never heard of it. This means that the OIC has a major impact on the decisions made by the UN.

One of their goals is to have international blasphemy laws. Knowing that can’t do this over night they keep introducing UN resolutions and working with the European Union Parliament to accomplish their goal gradually and incrementally. They word their resolutions in a watered down form to get them passed.

The first resolution they got passed was called “Defamation of Religions” and the idea behind it was that a religion, in this case Islam, would be protected from criticism. This is in opposition to American defamation laws which are designed to protect people. This is the usual western idea of defamation. Even though it uses the word “religion” all of the OIC countries interpret it to apply to Islam only.

This “Defamation of Religion” resolution has grown into Resolution 16/19, which is much more comprehensive. Although the first resolution sounded very nice, countries like America started to realize that it would have a major effect on the freedom of speech. It would make it illegal to talk about the persecuted Christians in Muslim countries. You wouldn’t be able to talk about Islamic terrorism. Both of these would be considered the defamation of Islam.

In other words, if Islam is burning churches, killing Christians, and so forth, and someone simply says that it is going on, it would be defamation of Islam. Just pointing out the truth would be a crime. It would be legal to say these things were happening, but if you were to connect it in any way to Islam you would be breaking the law. Islam’s Attack On Free Speech Through The UN – Part 1 – Fortress of Faith

 

[JaimeMartinez26]

i live right next to dearborn
they are trying to pass sharia law here in michigan already magenta

 

[Magenta]

It Is Already Being Implemented

Resolution 16/18 is already being implemented in some European countries. As an example is a woman named Elizabeth Wolf, who is an American who lives in Austria; she is a chapter leader for Act for America. She was delivering a speech and said something that was accurate to the history of Islam. She said the Prophet Muhammad had sex with children. He married one of his wives when she was six years old and consummated the marriage when she was nine. This lady referred to this as pedophile. She was prosecuted for hate speech and blasphemy against the Prophet Muhammad because of this.

We had better wake up! This is coming to a place near you!

This resolution has a very broad meaning to the word “defamation.” It would include saying anything negative about anything having to do with Islam. You can’t speak against Shariah law, Islamic terrorism, or the killing of those who disagree with Islam.

In 2011 our State Department asked them to write a new resolution that protected from defamation, but that also protected the freedom of speech. The new resolution was to combat intolerance, negative stereotyping and stigmatization of, and discrimination, incitement to violence and violence against, persons based on religion or belief.

Ambiguous Language and Double Speak

Resolution 16/18 drops the language stating defamation of religion because the west understood what this meant. As a result of the change in language the West, and the US totally supported the resolution.

As it turned out the OIC had very unique interpretation of some of the language. They had worded thing in such a way that the resolution could still be used to protect Islam from defamation.

There are numerous problems with the language of but for the sake of time I will only mention one very important concept. The text of the resolution says that it condemns the imminent incitement to violence. America agreed to that language because we already have laws against incitement to violence.

The OIC has a completely different definition for incitement to violence. They want a consequence test and we have a content based test. For example, if I tell an audience that I want them to go kill someone, and the do, They will be guilty of murder, and I will be guilty of inciting violence because the content of my language incited them to commit that violence.

The OIC would say, for example, that the Danish cartoons were an incitement to violence. If someone draws a cartoon or says something that Muslims don’t like, and Muslims get together to riot and do violence, they would say that the person who drew the cartoon or who said something they didn’t like was an incitement to violence.

Let me give one other example. The resolution asks for national security to stop religious profiling for purposes of law enforcement, for questioning and interrogation for investigations. Then in the body of the resolution it defines religious profiling as the “… use of religion as a criterion for purposes of investigation, such as questioning and interrogation.”

To Muslims, a cross is offensive. If a Christian puts up a cross and as a result a Muslim does something violent, the Christian would be guilty of inciting to violence. If a Christian says the Jesus is the Son of God a Muslim would consider it blasphemy, and it would be considered incitement to violence also.

No one wants to lock people up just because they are Muslims and use that is the sole criterion. This resolution asks law enforcement not to use it as even on factor in a list of other factors to consider.

In July 2011, Hillary Clinton attended a high-level diplomatic on Islomophobia which was held in Istanbul, Turkey. She announced to the world that America would host the first Istanbul Conference in America. This conference was held in December 2011. It was an international conference with approximately thirty countries and international organizations in attendance. It was primarily a closed-door meeting held over three days.

The whole purpose of this meeting was to come up with ways to implemented Resolution 16/18. This is something that is very unusual. Normally UN resolutions remain in the realm of the theoretical and are not implemented on a world-wide scale through international conferences. In the conference they discussed the various actions and procedures that could be used by the various countries incorporate the principles of this resolution into their own domestic policies.

UN resolutions are not legally binding. They only show the support for the resolution by those who voted for them. If they pass it only shows that the majority of the UN member states support the issue. The more times a resolution passes, or the more UN bodies that pass it, the more political weight the resolution carries, but it is not law.

 

[Magenta]

i live right next to dearborn
they are trying to pass sharia law here in michigan already magenta

I know. I was used as a punching bag by a few members here in another thread recently for speaking against Islam. Mohammed was an adulterous war mongering pedophile, and he is held up as the ideal person by Muslims. This should concern everyone who is not a Muslim. FGM is also mandated in Islam, despite the liars who say it is not. Lying in Islam is encouraged. It s called taqiyya.

[video=youtube;qle_4qiH4tU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qle_4qiH4tU&t=2s[/video]

 

[shrimp]

i live right next to dearborn
they are trying to pass sharia law here in michigan already magenta

They are starting to do the same thing they did to Dearborn, Michigan to Alaska. It's still in the early stages, so it's still gathering enough Muslims to make it a no-go zone.

 

[JaimeMartinez26]

I know. I was used as a punching bag by a few members here in another thread recently for speaking against Islam. Mohammed was an adulterous war mongering pedophile, and he is held up as the ideal person by Muslims. This should concern everyone who is not a Muslim. FGM is also mandated in Islam, despite the liars who say it is not. Lying in Islam is encouraged. It s called taqiyya.

[video=youtube;qle_4qiH4tU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qle_4qiH4tU&t=2s[/video]

its easy to believe the BS they spout when they have "luke warm" muslims who dont even know about the quran mixed in the the overwhelming majority of those who know it enough to kill for it but not enough to see all its flaws

 

[Magenta]

[video=youtube;HjecaDVYp_c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjecaDVYp_c[/video]

As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given
country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a
threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films,
stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:

At 2% to 5% of the population, Muslims begin to intensify proselytization and conversions begin to rapidly rise in well-targeted disaffected groups, such as in jails, prisons, poor communities, and street gangs. This is happening in:

Denmark — Muslim 2%
Germany — Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
Spain — Muslim 4%
Thailand — Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on, Muslims begin to exercise an unregulated influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. One example is that they will push for the introduction of halal food, and via halal food, Muslims begin securing food preparation jobs resulting in disadvantages to non-Muslims. Muslims will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves — along with threats of lawsuits for failure to comply (again, this is only ONE example of excessive influence in proportion to their percentage of the population). This is occurring in:

France — Muslim 8%
Sweden — Muslim 5%
Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago — Muslim 5.8%

At 5% Muslims will work towards getting the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Islamic Law within their segregated neighborhoods and no-go zones.

When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. Any non-Muslim action “offends” Islam and results in uprisings and threats. Such tensions are seen daily in:

Guyana — Muslim 10%
India — Muslim 13.4%
Israel — Muslim 16%
Philippines — Muslim 15%
Kenya — Muslim 10%
Russia — Muslim 15%

After 20%, countries can expect sudden rioting for little or no reason at all, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of churches and synagogues, such as in Ethiopia (which has 32% Muslim population).

At 40%, countries experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:

Bosnia — Muslim 40%
Chad — Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%
Nigeria – Muslim 50.4%

From 60%, countries experience unrestricted, rampant persecution of all other religions (including persecution of non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Islamic Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on non-Muslims, as in:

Albania — Muslim 70%
Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
Sudan — Muslim 70%

After 80%, there is daily intimidation and violent jihad, and some State-run ethnic cleansing, as these countries drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim. This has been experienced and is on-going in:

Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
Egypt — Muslim 85-90%
Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
Iran — Muslim 98%
Iraq — Muslim 97%
Jordan — Muslim 92%
Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan — Muslim 97%
Palestine — Muslim 99%
Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%

100% will supposedly usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace.

At 100% there is supposed to be “peace”, because everybody is a Muslim, and because there are only Madrassas (Islamic schools based on learning the Quran and Islamic Law), and the Quran is the only word and Law, such as in:

Afghanistan — Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%
Somalia — Muslim 100%
Yemen — Muslim 100%

HOWEVER, peace is never achieved because in these 100% countries, the more radical Muslims incite hatred and intimidation over the less radical Muslims and then begin killing and massacring these less radical Muslims.
In some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations (between 2% and 5% Muslim), the minority Muslim populations live in neighborhoods which are 100% Muslim and they live by Islamic Law. Muslims do not integrate into the native community. The children in these neighborhoods only attend Madrasas (Islamic schools based on learning the Quran and Islamic Law). To even associate with a non-Muslim is a crime. Therefore, in some areas of certain countries, the imams and extremists have much more power than the percentage numbers above show.

Muslims make up about 25% of the world’s population. But their birth rates are enormously higher than the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and others. The Dangers of Muslim population growth - The Real Side With Joe Messina

Their growth statistics mean they will become the majority much more quickly than previously estimated.
Yes, the percentage of Muslims in America are said to be “low”. But we still need to check their ideology and their belief that it is OK to immigrate to our country and establish Islamic Law in their mosques and their neighborhoods and take away our rights bit by bit while their numbers grow.

After 40 percent you find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare (Bosnia, Chad).

From 60 percent you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and jizya, the tax placed on [conquered] infidels (Sudan, Albania).

After 80 percent, expect to find state-run ethnic cleansing and genocide (Syria, Egypt, UAE).
Muslim aggression as function of Muslim percentage of population

 

[JaimeMartinez26]

They are starting to do the same thing they did to Dearborn, Michigan to Alaska. It's still in the early stages, so it's still gathering enough Muslims to make it a no-go zone.

i sometimes feel like sharpening my sword and grabbing a megaphone to go down there and share the truth....

i get so sad when i think about the state of our country

 

[Magenta]

its easy to believe the BS they spout when they have "luke warm" muslims who dont even know about the quran mixed in the the overwhelming majority of those who know it enough to kill for it but not enough to see all its flaws

They are not allowed to speak against Islam, and are not free to leave the religion either. It is not like Christianity where one becomes an adherent by confessing and repenting and believing, having faith in the shed blood of Jesus upon the cross, etc... No, in Islam, all it takes to be Muslim is having a Muslim man for your father, and then you are a Muslim. Muslim men are allowed up to four wives, so their birth rates greatly outstrip those of any host country they enter. Women are treated as sub human.

[video=youtube;wWF8W-RZzeY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWF8W-RZzeY&t=14s[/video]

 

[tourist]

I don't hate Muslims at all. They are God's children too and He loves them like He loves everybody.

 

[tourist]

i live right next to dearborn
they are trying to pass sharia law here in michigan already magenta

I grew up outside of Detroit in Hazel Park off Nine Mile Rd. Left Michigan for Florida in 1985. I visit occasionally in Lansing to visit my daughter and grandchildren.

 

[Magenta]

An interesting thing here is the introduction of Bill M103 into our Canadian parliament, which concerns Islam, and what we are allowed to say and what we are not allowed to say. Many are concerned it will affect our free speech, which is not as protected here as it in the States. However, from what I understand, it is really about desiring to prevent people from explicitly inciting violence against Muslims due to their religion, Islam. The sad thing is, I have heard nothing regarding any potential law preventing Muslims from inciting violence against us. It is, after all, what is written in their supposed holy books. There is simply no getting around that.

[video=youtube;x0MLQqtBE3I]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0MLQqtBE3I[/video]

Is this Africa? Is this Pakistan? No dear, this is England.

 

[Cerwin]

So, I've read a lot of extremely hateful posts about Muslims on here (and if it's not hatred, then they're doing a really good job of disguising it). Not about Islamic terrorists. About Muslims in general. I get not agreeing with their religion; we should never condone a religion that goes against what God has set forth. But I simply don't see the level of hatred directed at Jews or Buddhists as I do towards Muslims. A lot of the posts mention how Islam supports killing Christians; I haven't read the Quran, but from what I can tell from sites written by Islam, the Quran merely says to fight against those who attack them. Maybe it's different in other countries, but I've lived in America my whole life and no Muslim has ever tried to attack or kill me.

I've also had people say that you never hear about Christian terrorists, only Islamic ones, but that's simply not true. We might not call them Christian terrorists, but whenever someone claiming to be a Christian attacks someone because they're gay or not a Christian, that's terrorism. Might not happen as much anymore, but when it does we point out that that goes against God's word and say the terrorists aren't Christian. Likewise, many Muslims say that Islamic terrorists aren't true Muslims.

So why do some people on here hate Muslims (again, I'm not talking about Islamic terrorists; while Christians shouldn't hate anyone, I get angry at murders, too. I'm talking about Muslims who aren't terrorists)?

I just think it goes down in history as just needing someone to Hate. My clan versus your clan. You don't worship as I've been taught to worship, you deserve hell ! Stuff like that. Jesus was a Jew and look how Jews were prosecuted, even though Jesus showed how Gentiles were loved by God equally. Today as many true believers are even stepping away from the Christian church, you see the Muslim population rising at a fast face in Europe and also right here in America. As long as people are kind and care for each other, and not stay so busy judging one another while glorifying themselves, I'm really not concerning myself of their denomination. I'll not put a sword in my hand because I also know God needs no henchmen. He will deal with that which goes against His will.