Son's of God Genesis 6:1-8

[PennEd]

There is no text of scripture that says the angels who sinned were assigned to the earth after having fallen, nor is there any text that tells us their sin was fornication. In fact, the verse goes on to say that these, “he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day.” In 2Peter 2:4, Peter tells us this about them, “For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell (ταρταρώσας – the abyss) and committed them to pits of darkness, reserved for judgment;” When the angels sinned they were not cast out upon the earth, they were assigned to pits of darkness.

Who said anything about being "assigned"? They went to earth willingly.

[h=1]Jude 6New King James Version (NKJV)[/h][FONT=&quot]6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;[/FONT]

 

[oldhermit]

Who said anything about being "assigned"? They went to earth willingly.

Jude 6New King James Version (NKJV)

6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;

Show me ANYWHERE in that either of these two text that says they went to earth, or from any other text of scripture for that matter.

 

[samuel23]

Hi OH: It looks like you started off in a muddy place and have now wandered into quicksand. Job was certainly not with the sons of God that presented themselves before God because God is in Heaven. Also, it does not even make sense to call some of the sons of Adam the sons of God because the bible clearly tells us who the fathers were of the sons of Adam. Adam had no human father and so was called the son of God.

 

[oldhermit]

Hi OH: It looks like you started off in a muddy place and have now wandered into quicksand. Job was certainly not with the sons of God that presented themselves before God because God is in Heaven. Also, it does not even make sense to call some of the sons of Adam the sons of God because the bible clearly tells us who the fathers were of the sons of Adam. Adam had no human father and so was called the son of God.

Ok, then show me a passage anywhere from scripture were angels and sons of God are used together. I am waiting.

 

[Bladerunner]

Everyone that claim that the sons of God are fallen angels by using Job alway miss this part. Job 1:6 "Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them. The context separates satan from the sons of God and Job 2:1 further separates him from the sons of God "Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them to present himself before the Lord." By adding to present himself before the Lord.

Yes satan was with or among the sons of God when they came before the Lord, but was not counted as one of the sons of God. Why? Because he "also came among them." 2:1 adds, "to present himself before the Lord." again not part of the sons of God, only among the sons of God, but he was not a son of God. I know there are some that say that because it's in heaven that that proves that satan is one of the sons of God, but what does Revelation say, he is before God accusing the brothers both day and night, does that sound like what the sons of God were or would do?

Plus when Jesus spoke about the resurrection in Matthew 22:30 "For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven." Jesus said angels do not marry and from what I understand angel is used in the neuter form (I don't know for sure) and it is clear that the sons of God in Genesis 6:2 married the daughters of men, "and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose. "So from a Biblical viewpoint, they were not committing fornication, sex with someone that is not your husband or wife is fornication or illicit sex.

Look at 6:5-7 the Lord states the reason He is going to judge the earth, “Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. 7 So the Lord said, “I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.” Notice how the Holy Spirit guided Moses to used the word "man" instead of men, the plural form, I wonder if it's because He used men to separate them from the son of God and now by using man He is bring all humans together for the judgement? Something to think about.

No mention of the union/marriage of the sons of God to the daughter of men, but if was because of mans heart was intent, thoughts, only evil always. Where in the Bible does it say that a being that has rebelled against God is one of His child or son(s)?

Please do not bring up the book of Enoch, because in 10:12 we know that 10 talks about children of fornication by the watchers or angels and some believe this is talking about Genesis 6, when it's not. Enoch 10:10-13 "Restore the earth, which the angels have corrupted; and announce life to it, that I may revive it. 11. All the sons of men shall not perish in consequence of every secret, by which the Watchers have destroyed, and which they have taught, their offspring. 12. All the earth has been corrupted by the effects of the teaching of Azazyel. To him therefore ascribe the whole crime.13. To Gabriel also the Lord said, Go to the biters, to the reprobates, to the children of fornication; and destroy the children of fornication, the offspring of the Watchers, from among men; bring them forth, and excite them one against another. Let them perish by mutual slaughter; for length of days shall not be theirs."

This is not talking about Genesis 6, the Lord did not say "restore the earth" He said he was going to destroy the men of the earth, not because of the children of the sons of God and the daughters of men. He was going to destroy men because they were evil in thoughts in their heart continually and He judged man, not azazyel. The children from the union again were not of fornication, because the sons of God and the daughters of men were married, so no fornication there or children go fornication.

Who were the sons of God? Genesis 4:25-26 "And Adam knew his wife again, and she bore a son and named him Seth, “For God has appointed another seed for me instead of Abel, whom Cain killed.” 26 And as for Seth, to him also a son was born; and he named him Enosh. Then men began to call on the name of the Lord." This is why, some believe think they are the descendants of Seth, because Seth is another seed, instead of Abel. Remember, God said "between your seed and her seed"? Abel was the seed that was going to bring forth the Messiah. This is why the Holy Spirit had Moses write it down like that, so we could know that "her seed" was still going to be at enmity with "his seed". And his son Enoch was born and men began to call on the name of the Lord.

Who are the daughters of men, Genesis 4:16-17 "Then Cain went out from the presence of the Lord and dwelt in the land of Nod on the east of Eden. 17 And Cain knew his wife, and she conceived and bore Enoch. And he built a city, and called the name of the city after the name of his son—Enoch." Since Cain went out from the presents of the Lord, which has to mean that he did not follow the Lord or his heart had not changed, he still had the heart of fruits of the ground for an offering to the Lord. Because we know that you can not go from the presenceof the Lord, Psalms 139:7-12.

This is how people come to the conclusion that the daughters of men, were Cain's offspring, because Cain's clan live apart from Seth's offspring and with Seth's son Enosh men began to call on the name of the Lord. So they were living different types of lifestyles. The main thing to remember of why the Lord wanted to stop this is because of Eve's seed or the promised Messiah and Seth was another seed after Abel's death to take Abel's place in that line to bring about "her seed", because it says "and another seed" that was Eve's reaction to Seth's brith.

Hope that helped, I know no one is going to change their view, but for those that aren't sure, that's what is behind the Seth and Cain belief.

You said:"Everyone that claim that the sons of God are fallen angels by using Job alway(s) miss this part. Job 1:6 "Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them..... "

Then you go on to to say this separates Satan from them...Satan was a Cherubim, a leader of Angels..He also has 1/3 of the angels as followers... Of Course the "sons of God" are anyone or thing that GOD created DIRECTLY as in Adam. NO NOT EVE as She was created from ADAM. Rem the RIB.....

OK,,,look to the context of Job's story. Satan was trying to deal/plead with God on their behalf. It is about CONTEXT,CONTEXT, CONTEXT

italics added!

Ah,,,but now explain why the Sethites and ONLY (cain's daughters are used) Did not any other men have pretty enough daughters.

Johnny B.... Here is view of a scholar and if needed there are many of the same mind. Textual Controversy:: Mischievous Angels or Sethites? – Chuck Missler – Koinonia House

 

[oldhermit]

I can show from scripture where God does not assign the name of 'sons' to angels but thus far, NO ONE has been able to provide a scripture where angels and sons of God are ever used together. I am perplexed as to why this is insisted upon by so many in the complete absence of scripture to support their claim.

 

[CeileDe]

Bigfoot is a Nephilim.

 

[Marano]

They're not the sons of Seth, and the daughters of men are not the daughters of cain only, the sons of God are the angels who mated with the daughters of men, it's the same terminology used for the angels in Job when they gathered around God, so sons of God are angels, and their offspring were the mighty men of old, before the flood.

 

[oldhermit]

They're not the sons of Seth, and the daughters of men are not the daughters of cain only, the sons of God are the angels who mated with the daughters of men, it's the same terminology used for the angels in Job when they gathered around God, so sons of God are angels, and their offspring were the mighty men of old, before the flood.

Show men in either of those texts where they are described as angels and show me from anywhere in scripture where sons of God and angels are mentioned in the same text.

 

[valiant]

Show men in either of those texts where they are described as angels and show me from anywhere in scripture where sons of God and angels are mentioned in the same text.

which is very good evidence that the sons of God ARE angels

and that they 'took' the daughters of men by demon intercourse

 

[oldhermit]

which is very good evidence that the sons of God ARE angels

and that they 'took' the daughters of men by demon intercourse

Scripture tells us that God does not call angels 'sons' nor will you ever find a passage where the term angel and 'sons or God' are used together.

People keep telling me I am wrong but no one seems to be able to provide any evidence from scripture to prove it.

 

[PennEd]

So WHO were the son's of God that shouted for joy as God created the earth?

It never ceases to amaze me how defensive those who hear of the possibility that angels mated with humans are. Why are they so offended?
I believe it is foolishness to think the son's Of God are humans in Genesis 6 and in the throneroom of God, and shouted for joy at the earths creation in Job, but hey, I'm not offended by those believing that foolishness.

 

[oldhermit]

So WHO were the son's of God that shouted for joy as God created the earth?

It never ceases to amaze me how defensive those who hear of the possibility that angels mated with humans are. Why are they so offended?
I believe it is foolishness to think the son's Of God are humans in Genesis 6 and in the throneroom of God, and shouted for joy at the earths creation in Job, but hey, I'm not offended by those believing that foolishness.

I do not know who this refers to but I do know that the text does not say they are angels.

 

[CeileDe]

1 Corinthians 11:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Therefore the woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels.


So why does a woman have to worry about angels?


1 Corinthians 11:10 (NLT)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For this reason, and because the angels are watching, a woman should wear a covering on her head to show she is under authority.

 

[PennEd]

I do not know who this refers to but I do know that the text does not say they are angels.

Who are they? Those that shouted for joy as God created earth a,d assembled in the throneroom with the consummate fallen angel satan in Job?

 

[oldhermit]

1 Corinthians 11:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Therefore the woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels.


So why does a woman have to worry about angels?


1 Corinthians 11:10 (NLT)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For this reason, and because the angels are watching, a woman should wear a covering on her head to show she is under authority.

That is fine but, where does this text refer to them as sons of God?

 

[CeileDe]

That is fine but, where does this text refer to them as sons of God?

It doesn't but it was mentioned that Angels can't have sexual intercourse and if that is the case why would a woman need to cover herself? Just a question that I don't have an answer for.

 

[valiant]

Scripture tells us that God does not call angels 'sons' nor will you ever find a passage where the term angel and 'sons or God' are used together.

People keep telling me I am wrong but no one seems to be able to provide any evidence from scripture to prove it.

if the sons of the Elohim were angels we would not expect them to be mentioned together. One used one description, the other another.

Job describes Satan as one of the sons of the Elohim (Job 2.1) in a context were he appears to be speaking of angels. QED

where does it say that God never calls angels 'sons of the elohim-'?

 

[oldhermit]

Who are they? Those that shouted for joy as God created earth a,d assembled in the throneroom with the consummate fallen angel satan in Job?

I made the statement early on in this discussion that this was the only possible text that MAY suggest angels as sons of God. I also stated however that this was inconclusive because the text does not say they are angels. This is an assumption without any supporting text.

 

[oldhermit]

It doesn't but it was mentioned that Angels can't have sexual intercourse and if that is the case why would a woman need to cover herself? Just a question that I don't have an answer for.

Show me a text that shows that sngels can't have sexual intercourse.