Are you preterist or merely 'modified post-trib'?

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PlainWord said:
Hey Gary,

Did the High Priest actually see this?

Hereafter shall ye (the High Priest, Caiaphas) see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
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At the destruction of Jerusalem, Jesus came with clouds of armies, but it was not a resurrection.

The verse in Rev 1:7 is not a prophecy unfulfilled, but John confirming that the prophecy that Jesus had spoken had already taken place, confirming the prophecies of Jesus to be true.
 
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At the destruction of Jerusalem, Jesus came with clouds of armies, but it was not a resurrection.

The verse in Rev 1:7 is not a prophecy unfulfilled, but John confirming that the prophecy that Jesus had spoken had already taken place, confirming the prophecies of Jesus to be true.
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Do you really think that all of the following occurred ~70 A.D.? :


Revelation 1:

[SUP]7[/SUP] Behold,

~ he cometh with clouds; and

~ every eye shall see him, and

~ they also which pierced him: and

~ all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.


Also - what if Revelation was written before 70 A.D.? Then what...?

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GaryA said:
Do you really think that all of the following occurred ~70 A.D.? :


Revelation 1:

[SUP]7[/SUP] Behold,

~ he cometh with clouds; and

~ every eye shall see him, and

~ they also which pierced him: and

~ all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.


Also - what if Revelation was written before 70 A.D.? Then what...?

:)
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I agree with the alphabet man. The parousia of Christ is not the physical return but the presence of Christ returned in 70 AD and is here today. We are living in the so-called millennium. The Mosaic age ended with the destruction of the temple and the final judgment of Israel. The Messianic age began at the resurrection and there was a 40 year transition period to close out the Mosaic age and pass judgment on the wicked, specifically those who killed Christ and did not know Him.

Everything in the Olivet dealt with the destruction of the temple and city and the end of THAT age, not the end of the world!! Nowhere in the passage does Christ skip ahead a few thousand years. He clearly said that everything He told would come to THAT generation. Look closely at the question:

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They asked when His presence would return, not when He would literally and physically return. Christ's presence returned to execute judgment on the wicked, unbelieving Jews in 70 AD. Christ is now ruling the nations with a rod of iron, blessing the faithful nations and punishing the wicked nations. He must rule until He puts all enemies under His feet. Right now the spiritual battle rages on earth between the evil powers and the church. In the end, Christ wins.

The Kingdom of Heaven is like a mustard seed. A small seed is planted (which happened during Christ's ministry) and slowly grows into a tree. In the end, the entire planet will be Christian.
 
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GaryA said:
No - not yet -- but, I am quite sure he will at the Second Coming of Christ...

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And so he has.

[SUP]23 [/SUP]When they persecute you in this city, flee to another. For assuredly, I say to you, you will not have gone through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

In the Olivet, the same direct talk is used. Christ was talking to His disciples telling them what they would see as signs. He wasn't talking to a couple of 21st century white boys in America.

Christ returned in 70 AD, His presence is with us. The Jewish nation ended and the wicked perished or were lead away captive by the Romans. Only the righteous remained.
 
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PlainWord said:
And so he has.

[SUP]23 [/SUP]When they persecute you in this city, flee to another. For assuredly, I say to you, you will not have gone through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

In the Olivet, the same direct talk is used. Christ was talking to His disciples telling them what they would see as signs. He wasn't talking to a couple of 21st century white boys in America.

Christ returned in 70 AD, His presence is with us. The Jewish nation ended and the wicked perished or were lead away captive by the Romans. Only the righteous remained.
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The times of the gentiles (ToGs), didn't end in 70 ad. Lk 21:24.

That was the beginning, of the trib., The Roman beast nation attacked the natural and wild branches for 2000 yrs..

It isn't 3 1/2 literal years, it is the time from the dest of Jeru 70 ad, until 1967 when Israel was restored to Jerusalem.

We are not at the beginning of the Revelation, we are at the end, where Jerusalem is surrounded by Magog, and the fire from heaven.
 
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