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hey, Willie
yes, all who call upon the Name of the Lord will be saved. i wholeheartedly believe that.
i'm not sure where i said that.
i don't see a dichotomy in God's sovereign election and anyone who comes to Him in repentance and faith being saved.
i know we have theological differences. in my opinion, this thread is a bit of a train wreck.
this young woman is seeking help. not sure the family squabbles are giving it to her.
hey, Willie
yes, all who call upon the Name of the Lord will be saved. i wholeheartedly believe that.
i'm not sure where i said that.
i don't see a dichotomy in God's sovereign election and anyone who comes to Him in repentance and faith being saved.
i know we have theological differences. in my opinion, this thread is a bit of a train wreck.
this young woman is seeking help. not sure the family squabbles are giving it to her.
yes, all who call upon the Name of the Lord will be saved. i wholeheartedly believe that.
i'm not sure where i said that.
i don't see a dichotomy in God's sovereign election and anyone who comes to Him in repentance and faith being saved.
i know we have theological differences. in my opinion, this thread is a bit of a train wreck.
this young woman is seeking help. not sure the family squabbles are giving it to her.
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I've seen something a bit different than theology after all the comments of the thread of Esau and hated..
elect:
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G1588
ἐκλεκτός
eklektos
ek-lek-tos'
From G1586; select; by implication favorite: - chosen, elect.
Total KJV occurrences: 23
Perhaps called, chosen, faithful is the early church who in turn has the message of reconciliation to go out to the world?
Then we look at Revelations...
Rev 22:17 The Spirit and the bride say, "Come!" Let everyone who hears this say, "Come!" Let everyone who is thirsty come! Let anyone who wants the water of life take it as a gift!
Rev 22:18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy in this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will strike him with the plagues that are written in this book.
Rev 22:19 If anyone takes away any words from the book of this prophecy, God will take away his portion of the tree of life and the holy city that are described in this book.
Rev 22:20 The one who is testifying to these things says, "Yes, I am coming soon!" Amen! Come, Lord Jesus!
Rev 22:21
May the grace of the Lord Jesus be with all the saints. Amen.
because:
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Joh 3:16 "For this is how God loved the world: He gave his unique Son so that everyone who believes in him might not be lost but have eternal life.
I see this as He calls and chooses us...gives us salvation as we repent...we experience His love...and we offer reconciliation to God to others as we live our lives.
I think 88 touched on this too.
I've seen something a bit different than theology after all the comments of the thread of Esau and hated..
elect:
~
G1588
ἐκλεκτός
eklektos
ek-lek-tos'
From G1586; select; by implication favorite: - chosen, elect.
Total KJV occurrences: 23
Perhaps called, chosen, faithful is the early church who in turn has the message of reconciliation to go out to the world?
Then we look at Revelations...
Rev 22:17 The Spirit and the bride say, "Come!" Let everyone who hears this say, "Come!" Let everyone who is thirsty come! Let anyone who wants the water of life take it as a gift!
Rev 22:18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy in this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will strike him with the plagues that are written in this book.
Rev 22:19 If anyone takes away any words from the book of this prophecy, God will take away his portion of the tree of life and the holy city that are described in this book.
Rev 22:20 The one who is testifying to these things says, "Yes, I am coming soon!" Amen! Come, Lord Jesus!
Rev 22:21
May the grace of the Lord Jesus be with all the saints. Amen.
because:
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Joh 3:16 "For this is how God loved the world: He gave his unique Son so that everyone who believes in him might not be lost but have eternal life.
I see this as He calls and chooses us...gives us salvation as we repent...we experience His love...and we offer reconciliation to God to others as we live our lives.
I think 88 touched on this too.
Lol. Thanks I prolly need a break actually. Getting exhausted and I am prolly being a bit snappy and misunderstanding people at this point.
I prolly need a break actually. Getting exhausted and I am prolly being a bit snappy and misunderstanding people at this point.
But it is true, we are affected by the interactions here, sometimes to the point where it seems, wow, this is the true test, how am I loving those who make me their enemy? I would like to be on good terms with all, but it does not really seem possible. Thank God for Jesus Christ, Who took our iniquities upon Himself, and paid the price for sin, that through faith in His propitiatory sacrifice upon the cross, and the shedding of His righteous blood to pay the sin debt, we may attain to a life more abundant.As to God's will, I usually break it down into three modes: sovereign, moral, and permissive. Him allowing things to happen does not mean He is causing all things to happen. I think that is one of the places where my view may differ with some others
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1. You misunderstand irresistible grace? When God slathers the grace onto us after redeeming us, it is irresistible. He doesn't slather it on all. When he forgives, we don't go, "oh, that's nice, but excuse me. I was doing something and want to get back to it." We're blown away. Suddenly we see all the sin we've done in our lives and how much that hurt the very one forgiving us. We repent. We then want to do what he wants us to do. No holds bar! THAT is the irresistible grace. Is there a resistible grace after he redeems us? Can we truly go, "Ho-hum?"
2. Actually, I don't try to win souls. It's not a contest. BUT how many times will you keep asking that question after I/we have answered it over and over again? I have answered that one to YOU specifically even in this thread, and you ignored it. What changes by repeating myself, when you aren't listening?
3. You honestly don't know what long-suffering is? You're right. It is in 2 Pet. 3 -- quite the explanation too.
[FONT="]3 This is now the second letter that I am writing to you, beloved. In both of them I am stirring up your sincere mind by way of reminder, 2 that you should remember the predictions of the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior through your apostles, 3 knowing this first of all, that scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own sinful desires. 4 They will say, “Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation.” 5 For they deliberately overlook this fact, that the heavens existed long ago, and the earth was formed out of water and through water by the word of God, 6 and that by means of these the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished. 7 But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.[/FONT]
[FONT="]8 But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. 10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed.[/FONT]
[FONT="]11 Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of people ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness,12 waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be set on fire and dissolved, and the heavenly bodies will melt as they burn!13 But according to his promise we are waiting for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.[/FONT]
It is in the bag. You want winners and losers? God wins! When he is done -- saving the last of whosoever will believe -- then comes the new heavens and new earth!
The rest of your verses are there, ripped out of content to say what you want them to say, instead of what they do say in like fashion. And like I've told you multiple times why we evangelize, I have shown John 3 in context even more often, and yet you keep ripping out one part of something Jesus said while ignoring the rest.
4. He did pay for all our sins -- the sins of the elect, not every single sin ever. That too is clear in the entire Bible, but you keep acting like it's not. And why? Because he had to. I've gone through the scapegoat clause with you multiple times too, and yet, again, you act like I have never. No one has ever.
AND you keep telling this as if you completely never heard the other side of this, even though anyone who believes the other side is wrong/a liar/doesn't know the Bible as well as you do/etc.
If you don't want me to call you on that, don't do it! You are calling me a liar. You are calling Forth a liar. You are calling Trof a liar. You are calling Marano a liar. You are calling Angela a liar. You are calling every single Calvinists on this site a liar!
Stop it! You have been told. If you don't want to believe it, I don't care. I do, very much care, that you portray Calvinists as all liars! And why? Because you keep asking the same questions without ever seeing/acknowledging/reading/whatever, WE HAVE TOLD YOU THE TRUTH! OFTEN!
2. Actually, I don't try to win souls. It's not a contest. BUT how many times will you keep asking that question after I/we have answered it over and over again? I have answered that one to YOU specifically even in this thread, and you ignored it. What changes by repeating myself, when you aren't listening?
3. You honestly don't know what long-suffering is? You're right. It is in 2 Pet. 3 -- quite the explanation too.
[FONT="]3 This is now the second letter that I am writing to you, beloved. In both of them I am stirring up your sincere mind by way of reminder, 2 that you should remember the predictions of the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior through your apostles, 3 knowing this first of all, that scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own sinful desires. 4 They will say, “Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation.” 5 For they deliberately overlook this fact, that the heavens existed long ago, and the earth was formed out of water and through water by the word of God, 6 and that by means of these the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished. 7 But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.[/FONT]
[FONT="]8 But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. 10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed.[/FONT]
[FONT="]11 Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of people ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness,12 waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be set on fire and dissolved, and the heavenly bodies will melt as they burn!13 But according to his promise we are waiting for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.[/FONT]
It is in the bag. You want winners and losers? God wins! When he is done -- saving the last of whosoever will believe -- then comes the new heavens and new earth!
The rest of your verses are there, ripped out of content to say what you want them to say, instead of what they do say in like fashion. And like I've told you multiple times why we evangelize, I have shown John 3 in context even more often, and yet you keep ripping out one part of something Jesus said while ignoring the rest.
4. He did pay for all our sins -- the sins of the elect, not every single sin ever. That too is clear in the entire Bible, but you keep acting like it's not. And why? Because he had to. I've gone through the scapegoat clause with you multiple times too, and yet, again, you act like I have never. No one has ever.
AND you keep telling this as if you completely never heard the other side of this, even though anyone who believes the other side is wrong/a liar/doesn't know the Bible as well as you do/etc.
If you don't want me to call you on that, don't do it! You are calling me a liar. You are calling Forth a liar. You are calling Trof a liar. You are calling Marano a liar. You are calling Angela a liar. You are calling every single Calvinists on this site a liar!
Stop it! You have been told. If you don't want to believe it, I don't care. I do, very much care, that you portray Calvinists as all liars! And why? Because you keep asking the same questions without ever seeing/acknowledging/reading/whatever, WE HAVE TOLD YOU THE TRUTH! OFTEN!
hey, Willie
yes, all who call upon the Name of the Lord will be saved. i wholeheartedly believe that.
i'm not sure where i said that.
i don't see a dichotomy in God's sovereign election and anyone who comes to Him in repentance and faith being saved.
i know we have theological differences. in my opinion, this thread is a bit of a train wreck.
this young woman is seeking help. not sure the family squabbles are giving it to her.
yes, all who call upon the Name of the Lord will be saved. i wholeheartedly believe that.
i'm not sure where i said that.
i don't see a dichotomy in God's sovereign election and anyone who comes to Him in repentance and faith being saved.
i know we have theological differences. in my opinion, this thread is a bit of a train wreck.
this young woman is seeking help. not sure the family squabbles are giving it to her.
Oh my goodness, I did not even realizeit was a thread Maria started
Hello Maria I hope you are well today 
D
Why would you put $1 million in someone's bank account if they aren't using it?
Why would Jesus redeem the Pharaoh? He certainly didn't save him. Why did Jesus redeem Lot's wife. He certainly didn't save her. Jezebel? Ahab? Herod? Why redeem that which you aren't redeeming?
And, if you're into giving away money, want my address to send the check? lol
Why would Jesus redeem the Pharaoh? He certainly didn't save him. Why did Jesus redeem Lot's wife. He certainly didn't save her. Jezebel? Ahab? Herod? Why redeem that which you aren't redeeming?
And, if you're into giving away money, want my address to send the check? lol
It has been lovely seeing you back again But it is true, we are affected by the interactions here, sometimes to the point where it seems, wow, this is the true test, how am I loving those who make me their enemy? I would like to be on good terms with all, but it does not really seem possible. Thank God for Jesus Christ, Who took our iniquities upon Himself, and paid the price for sin, that through faith in His propitiatory sacrifice upon the cross, and the shedding of His righteous blood to pay the sin debt, we may attain to a life more abundant.
As to God's will, I usually break it down into three modes: sovereign, moral, and permissive. Him allowing things to happen does not mean He is causing all things to happen. I think that is one of the places where my view may differ with some others
But it is true, we are affected by the interactions here, sometimes to the point where it seems, wow, this is the true test, how am I loving those who make me their enemy? I would like to be on good terms with all, but it does not really seem possible. Thank God for Jesus Christ, Who took our iniquities upon Himself, and paid the price for sin, that through faith in His propitiatory sacrifice upon the cross, and the shedding of His righteous blood to pay the sin debt, we may attain to a life more abundant.As to God's will, I usually break it down into three modes: sovereign, moral, and permissive. Him allowing things to happen does not mean He is causing all things to happen. I think that is one of the places where my view may differ with some others
And just so I can be clear, I don't think God causes everything, for instance making man sin. I don't think we are puppets. Mine is the second post on this thread and I made that clear. Been accused, by people like Mr. Willie here, and of course others, all throughout the thread though. Getting a bit irritating
So, it's probably time for a break.