day of the Lord the sun moon and stars

[followjesus]

This refers to Spiritual and earthly authorities. In the story of Joseph and his brothers. Joseph dreams of them together with his Parents bowing down to him and he sees them represented as the Sun Moon and Stars.

amen i tend to look at it somewhat as you are saying. i have never noticed that in scripture thank you for that ill add that to my studies on this subject. i cant exactly say with assurety yet, but im looking at it as spiritaul authorities in some places as well, and then at the end of days, i believe it will happen in the physical realm sort of " let it be done on earth, as it has been done in Heaven"

especially revelation, were seeing things in Heaven which are spirtual and also things on earth. thanks for the insight tanakh God bless and Keep you always

 

[Blain]

dreams and visions have always been a part of communication with God. when i was 14 i died having commited suicide, was then revived and placed on life support for 3 weeks. The doctors told my parents that if i survived i would be a vegetable that they should consider shutting of my life support. during the time i was out i saw things that i never have spoken of to anyone nor probably will i speak of them to anyone, im absolutely convinced there was a divine meaning and purpose for the things i saw some were terrible, sooo terrible and so vivid ...sight, smells sounds more real than what i experience now.

Other things were wonderful and the definition of peaceful back and forth i went from terror to peace from sorrow and shame to Joy and wonder, amazement..... of course science would explain how our sub conscience acts in that condition, but lol im not much of a scientific mind so i believe it was something from God. anyways I after three weeks woke up and was out of the hospital 2 days later with a clean bill of health after that experience.


so i definately would pray about some of those dreams. that time in my life was the only thing i ever had happen to me like that. i do believe that God communicates to some through dreams and visions so if i were you i would definetaly explore some of those dreams sounds like spiritual stuff to me

If you ever wish to pm me and tell me what you saw i would very much like to hear them as I too have experienced and seen things that i have not told anyone mainly because they may think im insane lol. I can promise you there is nothing you could tell me that I would judge you for. Ever since I became a Christian I have received countless dreams and visions and i have been to the spiritual realm several times I have encountered angels and demons even satan himself and I have also met god the father twice and Jesus four times.

Of course lots of people tend to look at me weird when i tell them these things so for the most part i kept them to myself except when i felt lead to speak them on here. And not to mention it takes discernment to be able to discern these things, sometimes satan will try to trick us with dreams and you have to be able to discern this and test the spirit with scripture.

 

[Blain]

This refers to Spiritual and earthly authorities. In the story of Joseph and his brothers. Joseph dreams of them together with his Parents bowing down to him and he sees them represented as the Sun Moon and Stars.

This is indeed correct. The sun often times represents God and the moon having no light of it's own reflects the light from the sun just we reflect the light of god having no light of our own. The stars have often times been shown in scripture to represent people and although i have not found any scriptural evidence yet many have said the stars also represent spiritual beings.

There is a war in heaven that will happen soon and I believe what happens in the spiritual will become physical in this world,I think it is for this reason he has raised among the church those who are truly strong in his spirit heart and love

 

[followjesus]

If you ever wish to pm me and tell me what you saw i would very much like to hear them as I too have experienced and seen things that i have not told anyone mainly because they may think im insane lol. I can promise you there is nothing you could tell me that I would judge you for. Ever since I became a Christian I have received countless dreams and visions and i have been to the spiritual realm several times I have encountered angels and demons even satan himself and I have also met god the father twice and Jesus four times.

Of course lots of people tend to look at me weird when i tell them these things so for the most part i kept them to myself except when i felt lead to speak them on here. And not to mention it takes discernment to be able to discern these things, sometimes satan will try to trick us with dreams and you have to be able to discern this and test the spirit with scripture.

i think sometimes if a person doesnt have an experience, they tend to not believe another person has. i probably used to be that way to be honest, now days i have a hardened rule in my Heart that each person Belongs to God, each person has thier own unique calling, thier own unique experiences with God. So i never take what someone tells me and dismiss it without cause, if it doesnt jive with scripture i dont accept it, if it is within the realm of scripture all thoings are possible with God is my way of looking at it.

I often wonder why i have never spoke of that experience to anyone and i still dont understand why. it isnt that i am concerned what others wopuld think, its some reason i cant put my finger on. I wonder sometimes if i should but never get a conclusion on it. So i for now anyways would decline to share that , not because its you or anything but just because im not sure if im supposed to share it or treasure it up inside as both a vivid warning and vivid Look into things im not suppose to speak of.

if that changes though i will gladly share with you and the same Goes for you you can pm me anytime im so busy lately i hardly get on here over the past couple months or so, but ill always respond and im no ones critic either always have wanted good conversation like this since i came here, so anytime feel free. its a blessing to talk with you man

 

[Blain]

i think sometimes if a person doesnt have an experience, they tend to not believe another person has. i probably used to be that way to be honest, now days i have a hardened rule in my Heart that each person Belongs to God, each person has thier own unique calling, thier own unique experiences with God. So i never take what someone tells me and dismiss it without cause, if it doesnt jive with scripture i dont accept it, if it is within the realm of scripture all thoings are possible with God is my way of looking at it.

I often wonder why i have never spoke of that experience to anyone and i still dont understand why. it isnt that i am concerned what others wopuld think, its some reason i cant put my finger on. I wonder sometimes if i should but never get a conclusion on it. So i for now anyways would decline to share that , not because its you or anything but just because im not sure if im supposed to share it or treasure it up inside as both a vivid warning and vivid Look into things im not suppose to speak of.

if that changes though i will gladly share with you and the same Goes for you you can pm me anytime im so busy lately i hardly get on here over the past couple months or so, but ill always respond and im no ones critic either always have wanted good conversation like this since i came here, so anytime feel free. its a blessing to talk with you man

No worries my friend sometimes it is not for us to share what god has given sometimes we are to wait for the right to do so and sometimes it's only meant for us in particular. If you are not lead to share it then it won't do any good sharing it it has feel natural and sort of flow that is how you know God is going to use it.

 

[followjesus]

This is indeed correct. The sun often times represents God and the moon having no light of it's own reflects the light from the sun just we reflect the light of god having no light of our own. The stars have often times been shown in scripture to represent people and although i have not found any scriptural evidence yet many have said the stars also represent spiritual beings.

There is a war in heaven that will happen soon and I believe what happens in the spiritual will become physical in this world,I think it is for this reason he has raised among the church those who are truly strong in his spirit heart and love

a third of the angels rebelled when satan rebelled. the war in Heaven happened as a result of what satan did to mankind in eden. what He was really doing is trying to rule Gods creation for himself, through sin. this goes to my point earlier in a different conversation about prophecy giving understanding in revelation.

isaiah 14:12-15 "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!13For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.15Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit."


satan was already cast out of Heaven when we see it in revelation John is writing of things that "are" remember he is told " write those things that you have seen, those things that are, and those things that will be" (past present furture)

to show what was to come, part of revelation is explaining what has already happened, what was currently happening in Johns time and the purpose was to show those things that were coming and some still are remembering John wrote 1900 years ago and some of those things He is speaking of that are to come, have had 1900 years to begin unfolding.

Im not sure how you are with non biblical ancient texts. The book of enoch, which Jude and peter both quote from, and the oldest text is proven to be from 200 b.c. meaning 250 or so years before Jude and peter wrote thier epistles, has some really interesting things written in it that fit perfectly with the Bible. The book claims to be what enoch saw when He walked away and was translated with God. part of the book is said to be written by noah.

alot of people disregard anything non cannon , but to me it makes sense that God would have had noah write, and enoch as well because thats How God has always done it, through His written Word. the book is about the rebellion of the angels, And also wroites of things Like Jesus being given His name before creation, in fact everuthing in enoch that is written about Jesus fits along side any other writing in the bible, doesnt part from the principles doesnt exclude or add to scripture, but it really is interesting read.

More than One copy was found in different places as well which leans to its credibility, the Most complete was found in ethiopia which makes perfect sense, because some of the apostles and also many Jews were dispursed there after the persecutions in rome. infact i cant remember off hand but one of the apostles, according to early church History was martyred in ethiopia

anyway i meantipn this because of the war in Heaven you mentioned, theres alot of things in there concerning that. and other things. But again im not saying its biblical, it is definately something Jude calls a prophetic book tho and also quotes directly from so at least Jude, and also peter considered it authentic.

this is where jude quotes directly from the text.

Jude 1 :14-15 "And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, 15To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him"

One reference of angels and stars that comes to mind is the seven stars are the seven angels of the churches.

 

[Gabriel2020]

No one could identify the mark put on Cain, but God himself ,and that mark was the mark of vengeance or revenge if any one found him and killed him. To find somebody you have to be looking for them. God made him the first fugitive that would be running from justice,because he was a murderer , the first murderer. which turned him into a vagabond which means moving from place to place with an unsettled mind. If someone did find him and killed him, his death would be avenged seven-fold. That God would have taken care of himself. through the process of time ,I believe that Adam sent out some of his sons to hunt down Cain and kill him to avenge Abel's death. And God knew this would happen ,that's why he made him a fugitive.he was not a fugitive from God, because God knew his whereabouts at all times.He set up the city of Enoch, named after his first son, and hit the road . I do believe that someone did kill Cain ,because he told his Son about the mark and the vengeance.. The story was past on,because the fourth generation grandson Lamech was injured in a fight that wounded him,and that wound was a fatal wound.. On his dying bed ,he told his two wives that he had killed a man that wounded him,and that if Cain's death shall be avenged seven-fold, then his death would be avenged seventy and seven -fold. During that time, men was not worshiping and calling on God. Adam's descendants, and Cains descendants were at war with each other, because they were a different race of people . .They did not began to call upon the name of the lord until Seth's son Enos was born. Those that called upon his name became the son's of God, and they were powerful men taking the women of Cain's descendants when they wanted to.That is why God said his spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh.that meant that God gave up on trying to change man and make him do better, but he realized that what kept that from happening is that his flesh was sinful ,causing him to do evil. Okay plan A did not work, so he set up plan B. He knew what he had to do to make this work.

 

[followjesus]

No worries my friend sometimes it is not for us to share what god has given sometimes we are to wait for the right to do so and sometimes it's only meant for us in particular. If you are not lead to share it then it won't do any good sharing it it has feel natural and sort of flow that is how you know God is going to use it.

thats exactly how i see it, it has served me well when i wait for the conviction from God when im not sure what to do in regards to anything.

 

[followjesus]

No one could identify the mark put on Cain, but God himself ,and that mark was the mark of vengeance or revenge if any one found him and killed him. To find somebody you have to be looking for them. God made him the first fugitive that would be running from justice,because he was a murderer , the first murderer. which turned him into a vagabond which means moving from place to place with an unsettled mind. If someone did find him and killed him, his death would be avenged seven-fold. That God would have taken care of himself. through the process of time ,I believe that Adam sent out some of his sons to hunt down Cain and kill him to avenge Abel's death. And God knew this would happen ,that's why he made him a fugitive.he was not a fugitive from God, because God knew his whereabouts at all times.He set up the city of Enoch, named after his first son, and hit the road . I do believe that someone did kill Cain ,because he told his Son about the mark and the vengeance.. The story was past on,because the fourth generation grandson Lamech was injured in a fight that wounded him,and that wound was a fatal wound.. On his dying bed ,he told his two wives that he had killed a man that wounded him,and that if Cain's death shall be avenged seven-fold, then his death would be avenged seventy and seven -fold. During that time, men was not worshiping and calling on God. Adam's descendants, and Cains descendants were at war with each other, because they were a different race of people . .They did not began to call upon the name of the lord until Seth's son Enos was born. Those that called upon his name became the son's of God, and they were powerful men taking the women of Cain's descendants when they wanted to.That is why God said his spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh.that meant that God gave up on trying to change man and make him do better, but he realized that what kept that from happening is that his flesh was sinful ,causing him to do evil. Okay plan A did not work, so he set up plan B. He knew what he had to do to make this work.

that could be my friend, part of cains ounishment was to be sent out of Gods presence and to become a wanderer in the earth....i guess one of the things i was thinking is whatr satan tells God in Job when God asks Him where He is coming from and satan replies " from marching to and fro in the earth......i just find it interesting that satan has a mark, and cain the first murderer and also the first liar of mankind. who killed the " good shepherd" abel. also Jesus identifies satan as a murderer from the beginning and a the father of all lies... theres without a doubt a similitude between cain and satan, and abel and Jesus.


abel was the son of adam, " man" Jesus favorite name for Himself is "son of man" He is the good shepherd like abel who god looked upon with respect and was a shepherd of sheep. Jesus was Killed because of sin in others, cain was killed because his brother succumb to sin. theres more but its just a similitude to me concerning the mark of Cain. i wasnt saying i had identified it or anything just find it interesting and currently am tossing it around in my head, the interest i mean. thanks for the input God bless

 

[Ahwatukee]

a third of the angels rebelled when Satan rebelled. the war in Heaven happened as a result of what Satan did to mankind in Eden. what He was really doing is trying to rule Gods creation for himself, through sin. this goes to my point earlier in a different conversation about prophecy giving understanding in revelation.

Hello again followJesus,

Just fyi, if you are referring to the war that takes place in Rev.12, that hasn't happened yet, as it is still future event. In order to make that claim the seven seals and the trumpet judgments would have had to have taken place first.

Trumpets 5, 6 and 7 are referred to as "Woes." And the reason they are referred as as such, is because all three of them are demonic in nature.

In order for the war of Rev.12--which is the 7th trumpet/3rd woe--trumpets 5 and 6 would have to have taken place before the 7th trumpet. Consequently, we would have had to have seen those demonic beings that resemble locusts released from the Abyss to torment the inhabitants of the earth for 5 months with the tails and stings like that of scorpions.

After that the 6th trumpet would have had to have sounded, which is those four angels and their army of 200 million being released to kill a third of mankind. Needless to say, we have seen none of those events. The war in heaven will take place right around the middle of the seven years where Satan and his angels will be cast down to the earth where they will be able to focus their full force of malice against the inhabitants of the earth.

satan was already cast out of Heaven when we see it in revelation John is writing of things that "are" remember he is told " write those things that you have seen, those things that are, and those things that will be" (past present furture)

What you have seen = Everything written from Rev.1:1 thru 1:19

What is now = The entire church period represented by the letters to the churches

What will take place later = Everything after the "what is now" i.e. after the church period.

Blessings to you in Christ!

 

[followjesus]

Hello again followJesus,

Just fyi, if you are referring to the war that takes place in Rev.12, that hasn't happened yet, as it is still future event. In order to make that claim the seven seals and the trumpet judgments would have had to have taken place first.

Trumpets 5, 6 and 7 are referred to as "Woes." And the reason they are referred as as such, is because all three of them are demonic in nature.

In order for the war of Rev.12--which is the 7th trumpet/3rd woe--trumpets 5 and 6 would have to have taken place before the 7th trumpet. Consequently, we would have had to have seen those demonic beings that resemble locusts released from the Abyss to torment the inhabitants of the earth for 5 months with the tails and stings like that of scorpions.

After that the 6th trumpet would have had to have sounded, which is those four angels and their army of 200 million being released to kill a third of mankind. Needless to say, we have seen none of those events. The war in heaven will take place right around the middle of the seven years where Satan and his angels will be cast down to the earth where they will be able to focus their full force of malice against the inhabitants of the earth.



What you have seen = Everything written from Rev.1:1 thru 1:19

What is now = The entire church period represented by the letters to the churches

What will take place later = Everything after the "what is now" i.e. after the church period.
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Blessings to you in Christ!

thanks for the input bro always appreciated and considered, God bless

 

[followjesus]

Hello again followJesus,

Just fyi, if you are referring to the war that takes place in Rev.12, that hasn't happened yet, as it is still future event. In order to make that claim the seven seals and the trumpet judgments would have had to have taken place first.

Trumpets 5, 6 and 7 are referred to as "Woes." And the reason they are referred as as such, is because all three of them are demonic in nature.

In order for the war of Rev.12--which is the 7th trumpet/3rd woe--trumpets 5 and 6 would have to have taken place before the 7th trumpet. Consequently, we would have had to have seen those demonic beings that resemble locusts released from the Abyss to torment the inhabitants of the earth for 5 months with the tails and stings like that of scorpions.

After that the 6th trumpet would have had to have sounded, which is those four angels and their army of 200 million being released to kill a third of mankind. Needless to say, we have seen none of those events. The war in heaven will take place right around the middle of the seven years where Satan and his angels will be cast down to the earth where they will be able to focus their full force of malice against the inhabitants of the earth.



What you have seen = Everything written from Rev.1:1 thru 1:19

What is now = The entire church period represented by the letters to the churches

What will take place later = Everything after the "what is now" i.e. after the church period.
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Blessings to you in Christ!

thats kind of why im saying to ya that revelation doesnt have all the info. this is what Jesus said while on earth

Luke 10:18 "And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven." apparently Jesus already saw satan fall from Heaven, another point what do you suppose all those evil spirits going around in the gospel were if not the angels that followed Him? knowing that " angels are ministering spirits" ( hebrews 1:14) did those evil spirits come from nowhere? or does it make sense that Jesus was telling the truth about seeing satan fall from Heaven?

moreso, why do the apostles tell us that satan is roaming about trying to destroy us? doesnt that kind of ring to you when you consider the woman and the dragon? the war, satan being cast to earth and sweeping a third of the angels from Heaven? seems pretty obvious to me. John saw the entirety of the gospel as it happened, He saw the lamb slain, He was told by Jesus that He had already been given all power and authority in Heaven and on earth. doesnt that kind of ring to you when you read about Jesus being given all power and authority in Heaven in chapter 5? thats why you gotta expand my friend revelation is a peice of the message and it entertwines with the rest.


you are looking for everyting to someday happen whan were at the end, you are looking for an actual dragon and locusts. revelation is a spiritual vision, when john is seeing the Lamb enthroned in Heaven, He is seeing what He saw on earth only now He is seeoing the heavenly perpective. revelation is not chronilogical the Creation is destroyed 3 times look at the mountains, and island, look at the reaction of the people in chapter 6

revelation 6:And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

Here in chapter 16 look again here the islands and mountains flee, a great earthquake ect....

And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. 18And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. 19And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. 20And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. "


then of course you already know what you probably know as " the white throne judgement. and its the same catastrophic event again. its like this because it isnt a chronilogically ordered future events that were waiting for its spirtual its things haoppening in Heaven and things happening on earth its overlapping. theres to many things that explain revelation in the rest of the bible, thats the reason it has that special blessing for those who keep its words because it involves so much of the rest of scripture. revelation is the conclusion of the prophecies of the end. it doesnt stand alone its part of a mosaic and theres a much bigger picture.


all this said, you already know from prior conversations that we have vastly different views of revelation.....and thats okay doesnt mean were against each other or anything, try this study some of the older prophecies and look for things you know from revelation you know that book pretty well, so if you get into those prophecies, you will recognize alot of really informative scripture that will bring more light.

God bless and Kep you always man.