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According to free will believers, when does regeneration take place? And does God not give everyone a faith to be saved by? If he does, was the cross ineffective? Partially effective? Jesus says all that are drawn by the Father WILL come to him. Just wondering how free will fits in here.
I wasn't accusing, I was asking for an explanation.
I wasn't accusing, I was asking for an explanation.
That need to quit worrying about being reformed and start being conformed to the image of Jesus and having the mind of Christ (which is found in scripture) versus the wisdom of man which is what they are hawking.
They didn't get their flower from the Word of God!
Nah, the false grace crow like to let their freak flag fly... which of course they'll deny
They didn't get their flower from the Word of God!
Nah, the false grace crow like to let their freak flag fly... which of course they'll deny
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i know you dont so i quote this to save you reading it again in you own bible that said if it the same law , he would have told you to read the law of moses . your must be mistaken since , a gentile dose not have that law. quote gives you proof if you like this find you in falsehood to what the bible said. etc
ok can you tell me what law a gentile has. after reading this one chapter. etc
Acts 15: The Jerusalem Council
1 But some men came down from Judea and were teaching the brothers, "Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved."2 And after Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and debate with them, Paul and Barnabas and some of the others were appointed to go up to Jerusalem to the apostles and the elders about this question.3 So, being sent on their way by the church, they passed through both Phoenicia and Samaria, describing in detail the conversion of the Gentiles, and brought great joy to all the brothers.4 When they came to Jerusalem, they were welcomed by the church and the apostles and the elders, and they declared all that God had done with them.5 But some believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees rose up and said, "It is necessary to circumcise them and to order them to keep the law of Moses."
6 The apostles and the elders were gathered together to consider this matter.7 And after there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, "Brothers, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe.8 And God, who knows the heart, bore witness to them, by giving them the Holy Spirit just as he did to us,9 and he made no distinction between us and them, having cleansed their hearts by faith.10 Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?11 But we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will."
12 And all the assembly fell silent, and they listened to Barnabas and Paul as they related what signs and wonders God had done through them among the Gentiles.13 After they finished speaking, James replied, "Brothers, listen to me.14 Simeon has related how God first visited the Gentiles, to take from them a people for his name.15 And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written,
16 "'After this I will return,
and I will rebuild the tent of David that has fallen;
I will rebuild its ruins,
and I will restore it,
17 that the remnant of mankind may seek the Lord,
and all the Gentiles who are called by my name,
says the Lord, who makes these things18 known from of old.'
19 Therefore my judgment is that we should not trouble those of the Gentiles who turn to God,20 but should write to them to abstain from the things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from blood.21 For from ancient generations Moses has had in every city those who proclaim him, for he is read every Sabbath in the synagogues."
The Council's Letter to Gentile Believers
22 Then it seemed good to the apostles and the elders, with the whole church, to choose men from among them and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They sent Judas called Barsabbas, and Silas, leading men among the brothers,23 with the following letter: "The brothers, both the apostles and the elders, to the brothers who are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia, greetings.24 Since we have heard that some persons have gone out from us and troubled you with words, unsettling your minds, although we gave them no instructions,25 it has seemed good to us, having come to one accord, to choose men and send them to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,26 men who have risked their lives for the sake of our Lord Jesus Christ.27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who themselves will tell you the same things by word of mouth.28 For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements:29 that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell."
30 So when they were sent off, they went down to Antioch, and having gathered the congregation together, they delivered the letter.31 And when they had read it, they rejoiced because of its encouragement.32 And Judas and Silas, who were themselves prophets, encouraged and strengthened the brothers with many words.33 And after they had spent some time, they were sent off in peace by the brothers to those who had sent them.34 35 But Paul and Barnabas remained in Antioch, teaching and preaching the word of the Lord, with many others also.
the underlined part already is proof, that your talking falsehood or a lie.
ok can you tell me what law a gentile has. after reading this one chapter. etc
Acts 15: The Jerusalem Council
1 But some men came down from Judea and were teaching the brothers, "Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved."2 And after Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and debate with them, Paul and Barnabas and some of the others were appointed to go up to Jerusalem to the apostles and the elders about this question.3 So, being sent on their way by the church, they passed through both Phoenicia and Samaria, describing in detail the conversion of the Gentiles, and brought great joy to all the brothers.4 When they came to Jerusalem, they were welcomed by the church and the apostles and the elders, and they declared all that God had done with them.5 But some believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees rose up and said, "It is necessary to circumcise them and to order them to keep the law of Moses."
6 The apostles and the elders were gathered together to consider this matter.7 And after there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, "Brothers, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe.8 And God, who knows the heart, bore witness to them, by giving them the Holy Spirit just as he did to us,9 and he made no distinction between us and them, having cleansed their hearts by faith.10 Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?11 But we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will."
12 And all the assembly fell silent, and they listened to Barnabas and Paul as they related what signs and wonders God had done through them among the Gentiles.13 After they finished speaking, James replied, "Brothers, listen to me.14 Simeon has related how God first visited the Gentiles, to take from them a people for his name.15 And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written,
16 "'After this I will return,
and I will rebuild the tent of David that has fallen;
I will rebuild its ruins,
and I will restore it,
17 that the remnant of mankind may seek the Lord,
and all the Gentiles who are called by my name,
says the Lord, who makes these things18 known from of old.'
19 Therefore my judgment is that we should not trouble those of the Gentiles who turn to God,20 but should write to them to abstain from the things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from blood.21 For from ancient generations Moses has had in every city those who proclaim him, for he is read every Sabbath in the synagogues."
The Council's Letter to Gentile Believers
22 Then it seemed good to the apostles and the elders, with the whole church, to choose men from among them and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They sent Judas called Barsabbas, and Silas, leading men among the brothers,23 with the following letter: "The brothers, both the apostles and the elders, to the brothers who are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia, greetings.24 Since we have heard that some persons have gone out from us and troubled you with words, unsettling your minds, although we gave them no instructions,25 it has seemed good to us, having come to one accord, to choose men and send them to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,26 men who have risked their lives for the sake of our Lord Jesus Christ.27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who themselves will tell you the same things by word of mouth.28 For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements:29 that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell."
30 So when they were sent off, they went down to Antioch, and having gathered the congregation together, they delivered the letter.31 And when they had read it, they rejoiced because of its encouragement.32 And Judas and Silas, who were themselves prophets, encouraged and strengthened the brothers with many words.33 And after they had spent some time, they were sent off in peace by the brothers to those who had sent them.34 35 But Paul and Barnabas remained in Antioch, teaching and preaching the word of the Lord, with many others also.
the underlined part already is proof, that your talking falsehood or a lie.
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Therefore my judgment is that we should not trouble those of the Gentiles who turn to God,20 but should write to them to abstain from the things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from blood.21 For from ancient generations Moses has had in every city those who proclaim him, for he is read every Sabbath in the synagogues."Acts 15: The Jerusalem Council
.14 For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law Romans 2
even tell you here plain as day.
so you can see it in black and white quote from the law you claim to have. etc
.14 For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law Romans 2
even tell you here plain as day.
so you can see it in black and white quote from the law you claim to have. etc
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Yeah someone could keep reading...
Romans 2
15 They show that what the law requires is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness and their conflicting thoughts accuse or perhaps excuse them 16 on that day when, according to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus.
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By the Law written in their hearts all are condemned and fall short, thus all need a savior.
I stated they would be condemned EITHER BY the Law of Moses OR by the one written in their hearts.
Romans 2
15 They show that what the law requires is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness and their conflicting thoughts accuse or perhaps excuse them 16 on that day when, according to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus.
****
By the Law written in their hearts all are condemned and fall short, thus all need a savior.
I stated they would be condemned EITHER BY the Law of Moses OR by the one written in their hearts.
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I will try and explain it as best as I can:
Partial regeneration or Prevenient grace allows people to do good works and make godly decisions and this is a GIFT from God. Otherwise men would just selfishly do their own thing.
However this just places people under the Law.
Justifying grace is when God grants the person the faith to believe that there is no good works or anything they can do to save themselves. That salvation is by grace alone through faith in Jesus redeeming work on the cross. It also involves turning away from sin and towards God.
The next type of grace is sanctifying grace that allows people to walk holy lives day by day through the leading of the Holy Spirit.
I have never read or seen a sermon of everyone receiving justifying faith or "saving faith" and its given as God wills.
Without justifying grace, you can't have sanctifying grace.
Partial regeneration or Prevenient grace allows people to do good works and make godly decisions and this is a GIFT from God. Otherwise men would just selfishly do their own thing.
However this just places people under the Law.
Justifying grace is when God grants the person the faith to believe that there is no good works or anything they can do to save themselves. That salvation is by grace alone through faith in Jesus redeeming work on the cross. It also involves turning away from sin and towards God.
The next type of grace is sanctifying grace that allows people to walk holy lives day by day through the leading of the Holy Spirit.
I have never read or seen a sermon of everyone receiving justifying faith or "saving faith" and its given as God wills.
Without justifying grace, you can't have sanctifying grace.
Next time they should post the entire Bible!
That should cover it...
That should cover it...
the new testament never stopped at revelations. etc
they can bind and grind there teeth and jump up and down like the follows of bal, fire came by spiritual, etc.
Jesus taught the "Gospel of the Kingdom of God" and even said the gospel of the Kingdom must be preacheed to all the world and then the end shall come.
There is no such thing as the so-called 'gospel of grace' which is nothing more than a seeker sensitive attempt to appeal to the world trying to get them to like us, join out clun, and make Christians more like the world than like Jesus.
It's obvious cause more and more of these so-called grace teachers are embracing the works of the flesh while still claiming to be right with God frequently saying "do not judge" so they can justify being worldly while still claiming to be Christian.
The Word of God warns about stuff like this in the last days...
[FONT="]*[/FONT][FONT="]Warnings and Notices concerning the times we live in and the coming end of this age – PAY ATTENTION![/FONT]
[FONT="][/FONT]
[FONT="]1 Timothy 4:1,2[/FONT]
[FONT="]Now the Spirit speaks expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;[/FONT]
[FONT="]Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron
("depart from the faith" is not referring to sinners in the world who never came to faith in the first place)
1 Timothy 6:3-5[/FONT]
[FONT="]If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;[/FONT]
[FONT="]He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,[/FONT]
[FONT="]Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
2 Timothy 4:3,4[/FONT]
[FONT="]For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine (teaching); but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;[/FONT]
[FONT="]And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
2 Peter 2:1-3[/FONT]
[FONT="]But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying (contradicting) the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.[/FONT]
[FONT="]And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.[/FONT]
[FONT="]And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
Jude 1:4[/FONT]
[FONT="]For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness (no self control, living after the flesh), and denying (contradicting, opposing Jesus’ teachings) the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. (referring to false teachers and false brethren - see Matthew 13:24-30)
(Deny = Strong's G0720… to contradict, disavow, reject, abnegate, deny, refuse - and Strong's G4483… the idea of pouring forth, to utter, speak of or say, command)
Jude 1:17-21[/FONT]
[FONT="]Remember the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;[/FONT]
[FONT="]How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.[/FONT]
[FONT="]These are those who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit[/FONT][FONT="].[/FONT]
[FONT="]But you, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,[/FONT]
[FONT="]Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
("those who separate themselves" is not referring to sinners in the world who were never joined unto the Lord in the first place)
Acts 20:27-30[/FONT]
[FONT="]For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.[/FONT]
[FONT="]For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
[/FONT][FONT="]2 Thessalonians 2:1-3[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
[FONT="]Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,[/FONT]
[FONT="]That you be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Let no man deceive you by any means[/FONT][FONT="]: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.
Matthew 24:3-13[/FONT]
[FONT="]What shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?[/FONT]
[FONT="]And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.[/FONT]
[FONT="]For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ (saying I am anointed); and shall deceive many[/FONT][FONT="].[/FONT]
[FONT="]And you shall hear of wars and rumors of wars: see that you be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.[/FONT]
[FONT="]For nation shall rise against nation (ethnic group vs ethnic group), and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in many different places.[/FONT]
[FONT="]All these are the beginning of sorrows.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.[/FONT]
[FONT="]And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.[/FONT]
[FONT="]And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.[/FONT]
[FONT="]And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. (See 1 John 5:3 AND 2 John 1:6)[/FONT]
[FONT="]But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Luke 21:34-36[/FONT]
[FONT="]And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.[/FONT]
[FONT="]For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Watch therefore, and pray always, that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man[/FONT][FONT="].
"Surfeiting" = indulging in one's appetites, desires excessively (it’s not good to get too caught up in our own personal prosperity and well being while here on Club Earth (see Matthew 16:25, Luke 9:24, Mark 8:35)
Revelation 3:10,11
Because you have kept the word of my patience, I also will keep you from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take your crown.
see John 14:15 - if you love me, keep My Word… don’t allow it to be choked out (Mark 4:13-20)
[/FONT]
There is no such thing as the so-called 'gospel of grace' which is nothing more than a seeker sensitive attempt to appeal to the world trying to get them to like us, join out clun, and make Christians more like the world than like Jesus.
It's obvious cause more and more of these so-called grace teachers are embracing the works of the flesh while still claiming to be right with God frequently saying "do not judge" so they can justify being worldly while still claiming to be Christian.
The Word of God warns about stuff like this in the last days...
[FONT="]*[/FONT][FONT="]Warnings and Notices concerning the times we live in and the coming end of this age – PAY ATTENTION![/FONT]
[FONT="][/FONT]
[FONT="]1 Timothy 4:1,2[/FONT]
[FONT="]Now the Spirit speaks expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;[/FONT]
[FONT="]Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron
("depart from the faith" is not referring to sinners in the world who never came to faith in the first place)
1 Timothy 6:3-5[/FONT]
[FONT="]If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;[/FONT]
[FONT="]He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,[/FONT]
[FONT="]Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
2 Timothy 4:3,4[/FONT]
[FONT="]For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine (teaching); but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;[/FONT]
[FONT="]And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
2 Peter 2:1-3[/FONT]
[FONT="]But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying (contradicting) the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.[/FONT]
[FONT="]And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.[/FONT]
[FONT="]And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
Jude 1:4[/FONT]
[FONT="]For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness (no self control, living after the flesh), and denying (contradicting, opposing Jesus’ teachings) the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. (referring to false teachers and false brethren - see Matthew 13:24-30)
(Deny = Strong's G0720… to contradict, disavow, reject, abnegate, deny, refuse - and Strong's G4483… the idea of pouring forth, to utter, speak of or say, command)
Jude 1:17-21[/FONT]
[FONT="]Remember the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;[/FONT]
[FONT="]How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.[/FONT]
[FONT="]These are those who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit[/FONT][FONT="].[/FONT]
[FONT="]But you, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,[/FONT]
[FONT="]Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
("those who separate themselves" is not referring to sinners in the world who were never joined unto the Lord in the first place)
Acts 20:27-30[/FONT]
[FONT="]For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.[/FONT]
[FONT="]For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
[/FONT][FONT="]2 Thessalonians 2:1-3[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
[FONT="]Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,[/FONT]
[FONT="]That you be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Let no man deceive you by any means[/FONT][FONT="]: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.
Matthew 24:3-13[/FONT]
[FONT="]What shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?[/FONT]
[FONT="]And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.[/FONT]
[FONT="]For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ (saying I am anointed); and shall deceive many[/FONT][FONT="].[/FONT]
[FONT="]And you shall hear of wars and rumors of wars: see that you be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.[/FONT]
[FONT="]For nation shall rise against nation (ethnic group vs ethnic group), and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in many different places.[/FONT]
[FONT="]All these are the beginning of sorrows.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.[/FONT]
[FONT="]And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.[/FONT]
[FONT="]And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.[/FONT]
[FONT="]And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. (See 1 John 5:3 AND 2 John 1:6)[/FONT]
[FONT="]But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Luke 21:34-36[/FONT]
[FONT="]And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.[/FONT]
[FONT="]For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Watch therefore, and pray always, that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man[/FONT][FONT="].
"Surfeiting" = indulging in one's appetites, desires excessively (it’s not good to get too caught up in our own personal prosperity and well being while here on Club Earth (see Matthew 16:25, Luke 9:24, Mark 8:35)
Revelation 3:10,11
Because you have kept the word of my patience, I also will keep you from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take your crown.
see John 14:15 - if you love me, keep My Word… don’t allow it to be choked out (Mark 4:13-20)
[/FONT]
if you looking at law your cut off. this is me explain to why your cut off.
Galatians 5: Christ Has Set Us Free
1 For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.
2 Look: I, Paul, say to you that if you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you.3 I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law.4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace
and if you keeping this law you need a temple of stone, for the forgiveness of your sin.
christain is not jewish, may be you could understand what paul is telling you. but that would be to hard
Galatians 5: Christ Has Set Us Free
1 For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.
2 Look: I, Paul, say to you that if you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you.3 I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law.4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace
and if you keeping this law you need a temple of stone, for the forgiveness of your sin.
christain is not jewish, may be you could understand what paul is telling you. but that would be to hard
gentile do not follow the template in acts 2.
if studded will help clarify .
act 10 and act 15.
i am not your sunday school teacher
no law.
For God So Loved the World
16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
believe in, not repent and believe in. spot the difference of context.
if studded will help clarify .
act 10 and act 15.
i am not your sunday school teacher
no law.
For God So Loved the World
16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
believe in, not repent and believe in. spot the difference of context.
The view you present looks more like the reformed belief. Is not everyone gifted justifying grace? If not, why? If not, then it's reformed theology. If it is given to everyone that they have a chance to respond to the Gospel, then how to you reconcile it with Jesus' words that all that the Father draws will come to him? He made a definite statement. To deny that some aren't drawn is to say Jesus is a liar. This is our big problem with free will theology and doctrines. It's inconsistent and it leads to tons of different possible outcomes depending on the doctrines behind it. One being universalism, the other being pelagianism. Another is that it compromises the efficacy of the cross.
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Hey I don't make the labels, I am just telling you what is being preached.
Like I said i didn't see much difference, but folks insist that there is a difference.
There probably is from various preachers, but I have been studying John Wesley's teachings and just started on Arminius. If I find a sermon where they preach that God gives everyone justifying grace, I will tell you.
The Wesley Center Online: Sermon 1 - Salvation By Faith
The above is a sermon about Salvation by faith alone. It would fit into the "reformed" label of you didnt know who preached it.
Just joined this thread to see what the Calvinist believe that is so different.
Like I said i didn't see much difference, but folks insist that there is a difference.
There probably is from various preachers, but I have been studying John Wesley's teachings and just started on Arminius. If I find a sermon where they preach that God gives everyone justifying grace, I will tell you.
The Wesley Center Online: Sermon 1 - Salvation By Faith
The above is a sermon about Salvation by faith alone. It would fit into the "reformed" label of you didnt know who preached it.
Just joined this thread to see what the Calvinist believe that is so different.