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Um, no, you in fact do play games. You accuse others, bear false witness against them and belittle, all while pretending to be a high standing individual for truth.
Instead of asking what others believe as you falsely claim, you tell them what they believe and then accuse them based on your false witness. That is perfectly descriptive of you. After you do this then you politick others for support.
You're a fake. You don't try to find common ground, instead you try to find a place to attack those who preach against false doctrine and false teachers in order to please others.
Instead of asking what others believe as you falsely claim, you tell them what they believe and then accuse them based on your false witness. That is perfectly descriptive of you. After you do this then you politick others for support.
You're a fake. You don't try to find common ground, instead you try to find a place to attack those who preach against false doctrine and false teachers in order to please others.
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Hi Lynn,
Maybe we need an Arminian thread.
You think you know what Arminians believe probably because of what you've read or what you've been told. Or it could be deductive reasoning sort of like those who assume Calvinists believe God is sending those not elected to hell.
I would not agree that all Arminians believe that you work at all to receive salvation. Rather it's a proof of genuine faith when faith does its work. Do you see the difference? Many believe we're saved by grace through faith, just as the Calvinists do.
In case you're interested, yes I know of hyper calvinists. One told me they didn't know if their child would be saved because they might not be one of the elect.
Every thing is from God, even when the person sins, it's God. This is really how they believe. If someone has diabetes or whatever, it isn't God allowed it, it's God did it. This is the church I was a part of for a few years.
K
Look around,anyone else you want to call names? Miss anyone? Please go to another thread. Go argue somewhere else! For pitys sake its like dealing with toddlers around here.Ive asked how many times now for everyone to respect the OP! Why is that so hard? Stop it! Go argue on the 30 other threads on this subject and let us discuss here.
Its on short supply and even though i believe these are believers but more like the ones who remain in infancy and prefer it that way. They like all the hype of Jesus but not the complete surrender.
And just as any infant that lacks nutrition they will grow weak and possibly from that weakness choose to walk away.
They make a habit of ignoring and grieving the Spirit, rebelling from God and it only gets easier as willingly chosen.
Unto the point the reprobation of the mind occurs.
And just as any infant that lacks nutrition they will grow weak and possibly from that weakness choose to walk away.
They make a habit of ignoring and grieving the Spirit, rebelling from God and it only gets easier as willingly chosen.
Unto the point the reprobation of the mind occurs.
A
I actually came back to post this excerpt from the website..
TULIP and Reformed Theology: Irresistible Grace
So if regeneration happens before belief, then when does the person become "born again"?
After the verbal confession of faith that shows an inward change?
Or were they considered born again when the regeneration process started?
TULIP and Reformed Theology: Irresistible Grace
So if regeneration happens before belief, then when does the person become "born again"?
After the verbal confession of faith that shows an inward change?
Or were they considered born again when the regeneration process started?
I'm super late to the thread, just like I was super late to declare myself Reformed!
I fit best with Baptists. I think Lynn asked which Baptists were Reformed? Well, any Baptist that wants to be. Baptists are not a homologous group. True, there are independent fundamentalists, but they are pretty top down driven, which defies the basic Baptist principle of "authority of the believer." In other words, find it in the Bible, and believe it. Forget about the words of men. In the Southern Baptist Convention, where I went to seminary, (the Canadian version, of course!) we had a separate convention under the general umbrella for Reformed Baptists. They had conferences, brought in speakers, and generally fellowshipped with one another. I found out one noon hour lunch in a Vietnamese restaurant, when the "Reformed" Baptists made the mistake of talking about Reformed theology and business in front of me. But, not to worry, I never told a soul!
Except of course, we never do forget about the words of men! In seminary, we studied all the different versions of soteriology. That was the first time I was exposed to TULIP. I decided I could agree with 2 1/2 points. But not 2 1/2! But I really liked the emphasis on the "sovereignty of God." That is what got me reading and listening more. That really was what I had always believed, despite being in Pentecostal/Arminian churches for many years.
To me, the Sovereignty of God, or as I like to call it "God is in control," is one of the basics of my faith and God. Because, why would anyone want to serve a God who is not sovereign. Another reason I DETEST Open Theism. I'm not experienced in Reformed Doctrine like some are on this post, but for me, God's sovereignty defines what it is to be Reformed (Correct me if I am wrong.)
A year or so ago, Lynn recommended a book by RC Sproule - "What is Reformed Theology?" I got it and read it, more from an outsiders perspective. Wow! Every objection I had on those "other" 2 1/2 points he answered. In fact, I walked away kind of stunned. Why was anyone teaching/preaching anything but this?
As far as amillennialism, just so people know, some of us do not believe we return to heaven when Jesus returns. There are a lot of us who believe that we remain on a renewed earth. Because I don't see the promise of heaven anywhere in the Bible for believers. True, there is Revelation, but it is symbolic, apocalyptic literature, and I don't claim to understand it all. I am also a partial preteriste, and I was reading a book by someone who kept referring to Amills as people who think they are going to heaven when Jesus returns. So I rechecked my facts, and turns out there are two groups. And if not, well, there is me, and then the group of all the others! LOL
I fit best with Baptists. I think Lynn asked which Baptists were Reformed? Well, any Baptist that wants to be. Baptists are not a homologous group. True, there are independent fundamentalists, but they are pretty top down driven, which defies the basic Baptist principle of "authority of the believer." In other words, find it in the Bible, and believe it. Forget about the words of men. In the Southern Baptist Convention, where I went to seminary, (the Canadian version, of course!) we had a separate convention under the general umbrella for Reformed Baptists. They had conferences, brought in speakers, and generally fellowshipped with one another. I found out one noon hour lunch in a Vietnamese restaurant, when the "Reformed" Baptists made the mistake of talking about Reformed theology and business in front of me. But, not to worry, I never told a soul!
Except of course, we never do forget about the words of men! In seminary, we studied all the different versions of soteriology. That was the first time I was exposed to TULIP. I decided I could agree with 2 1/2 points. But not 2 1/2! But I really liked the emphasis on the "sovereignty of God." That is what got me reading and listening more. That really was what I had always believed, despite being in Pentecostal/Arminian churches for many years.
To me, the Sovereignty of God, or as I like to call it "God is in control," is one of the basics of my faith and God. Because, why would anyone want to serve a God who is not sovereign. Another reason I DETEST Open Theism. I'm not experienced in Reformed Doctrine like some are on this post, but for me, God's sovereignty defines what it is to be Reformed (Correct me if I am wrong.)
A year or so ago, Lynn recommended a book by RC Sproule - "What is Reformed Theology?" I got it and read it, more from an outsiders perspective. Wow! Every objection I had on those "other" 2 1/2 points he answered. In fact, I walked away kind of stunned. Why was anyone teaching/preaching anything but this?
As far as amillennialism, just so people know, some of us do not believe we return to heaven when Jesus returns. There are a lot of us who believe that we remain on a renewed earth. Because I don't see the promise of heaven anywhere in the Bible for believers. True, there is Revelation, but it is symbolic, apocalyptic literature, and I don't claim to understand it all. I am also a partial preteriste, and I was reading a book by someone who kept referring to Amills as people who think they are going to heaven when Jesus returns. So I rechecked my facts, and turns out there are two groups. And if not, well, there is me, and then the group of all the others! LOL
A
Maybe on Christian sites but the dictionary says this:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/regeneration
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The first time I heard it was a science text book and it talked about regrowing an replacement organ.
I didn't realize that Christianize had specifically redefined it as the new birth.
So you believe folks get born again before they have a saving faith?
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/regeneration
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The first time I heard it was a science text book and it talked about regrowing an replacement organ.
I didn't realize that Christianize had specifically redefined it as the new birth.
So you believe folks get born again before they have a saving faith?
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