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You actually endorse Bethel Church And Bill Johnson eh? If there is really a stand out Armenian Church and Pastor it would be Bethel and Bill Johnson and here you are patting them on the back. This poor deceived woman received a "presence" of God in a Worship service led by Bethel Worship, She even identifies herself as Author, Speaker and "presence seeker"
Are you so intent in proving your own theology, that you will use a deceived Armenian believer to do so?
Your nonsense must come to stop here, Terror and Fear are not God, because the Bible says GOD is love and perfect love casts out all fear.
Romans 2.4 says:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?
Proverbs 16.6 says:
By lovingkindness and truth iniquity is atoned for,
And by the fear of the Lord one keeps away from evil.
If God convinces anyone to come to him through terror or fear, it is not God you are running to.
Are you so intent in proving your own theology, that you will use a deceived Armenian believer to do so?
Your nonsense must come to stop here, Terror and Fear are not God, because the Bible says GOD is love and perfect love casts out all fear.
Romans 2.4 says:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?
Proverbs 16.6 says:
By lovingkindness and truth iniquity is atoned for,
And by the fear of the Lord one keeps away from evil.
If God convinces anyone to come to him through terror or fear, it is not God you are running to.
That's a malicious lie and complete slander. I personally spent a month at Bethel Church and they were more Christ-like then any other churches I have seen. I didn't see any of this heretical nonsense they were being accused of. It's a bunch of lies taken out of context and twisted into something else.
When I was there in Redding there was a church that was just as malicious and lying about Bethel in their community and they had run into trouble.
Bethel leadership took up an offering for these malicious lying slanderers and bailed that church out of it's financial troubles - allowing it to continue on. That's Christ-like.
It is foul behavior like this that makes people reject Christ and I don't blame them. It's shameful behavior and ungodly.
When I was there in Redding there was a church that was just as malicious and lying about Bethel in their community and they had run into trouble.
Bethel leadership took up an offering for these malicious lying slanderers and bailed that church out of it's financial troubles - allowing it to continue on. That's Christ-like.
It is foul behavior like this that makes people reject Christ and I don't blame them. It's shameful behavior and ungodly.
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Just looking at the hypocrisy of lonerstar, trying to rebuke me about "endorsing bethel" which he falsely accused me of. Not his first lie.
Then he gives the "false teacher endorser" and "protector of wolves among the sheep "grace"7 a "like" for endorsing bethel church. LOL!!!!!!! That is called hypocrisy, and continues to show how inconsistent they are. lolzzzzz.....hilarious!
Yes, well know you support heretical teachers already. No need jump to his defense. By the way, did you get to experience the "glory of God" gold dust cloud while you were there? What about the masses flailing on the ground babbling incoherently, flailing, seizing, and detaching from reality? Very Christ-like "manifestations" huh.
For the record - I don't believe everything any preacher or church believes about every subject.
But I can see slander when I see it and it is horrible, un-Christ-like behavior no matter how much we try to disguise it as "defending the truth" or "rightly dividing the word of truth".
We should be ashamed of ourselves in the body of Christ for such foul behavior.
It's time to grow up in the Lord and stop this malice and the slandering of others in the body of Christ.
1 Peter 2:1-2 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Therefore, putting aside all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] like newborn babies, long for the pure milk of the word, so that by it you may grow in respect to salvation,
But I can see slander when I see it and it is horrible, un-Christ-like behavior no matter how much we try to disguise it as "defending the truth" or "rightly dividing the word of truth".
We should be ashamed of ourselves in the body of Christ for such foul behavior.
It's time to grow up in the Lord and stop this malice and the slandering of others in the body of Christ.
1 Peter 2:1-2 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Therefore, putting aside all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] like newborn babies, long for the pure milk of the word, so that by it you may grow in respect to salvation,
When a person makes a claim on another of malicious lies and slander, and it is found to be false (as in this case) then what the person has done is to maliciously lie and slander themselves.
"Oh, he can't be a false teacher, he says nice things on here, he is so loving and kind!"
- Deceived humans
“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves..."
- Jesus Christ
"Oh, he can't be a false teacher, he says nice things on here, he is so loving and kind!"
- Deceived humans
“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves..."
- Jesus Christ
Judgment on False Teachers
3 Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints. 4 For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
5 Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved[c] a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. 6 And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day—7 just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire,[d] serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.
8 Yet in like manner these people also, relying on their dreams, defile the flesh, reject authority, and blaspheme the glorious ones. 9 But when the archangel Michael, contending with the devil, was disputing about the body of Moses, he did not presume to pronounce a blasphemous judgment, but said, “The Lord rebuke you.” 10 But these people blaspheme all that they do not understand, and they are destroyed by all that they, like unreasoning animals, understand instinctively. 11 Woe to them! For they walked in the way of Cain and abandoned themselves for the sake of gain to Balaam's error and perished in Korah's rebellion.12 These are hidden reefs[e] at your love feasts, as they feast with you without fear, shepherds feeding themselves; waterless clouds, swept along by winds; fruitless trees in late autumn, twice dead, uprooted;13 wild waves of the sea, casting up the foam of their own shame; wandering stars, for whom the gloom of utter darkness has been reserved forever.
14 It was also about these that Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of his holy ones, 15 to execute judgment on all and to convict all the ungodly of all their deeds of ungodliness that they have committed in such an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things that ungodly sinners have spoken against him.” 16 These are grumblers, malcontents, following their own sinful desires; they are loud-mouthed boasters, showing favoritism to gain advantage.
3 Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints. 4 For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
5 Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved[c] a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. 6 And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day—7 just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire,[d] serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.
8 Yet in like manner these people also, relying on their dreams, defile the flesh, reject authority, and blaspheme the glorious ones. 9 But when the archangel Michael, contending with the devil, was disputing about the body of Moses, he did not presume to pronounce a blasphemous judgment, but said, “The Lord rebuke you.” 10 But these people blaspheme all that they do not understand, and they are destroyed by all that they, like unreasoning animals, understand instinctively. 11 Woe to them! For they walked in the way of Cain and abandoned themselves for the sake of gain to Balaam's error and perished in Korah's rebellion.12 These are hidden reefs[e] at your love feasts, as they feast with you without fear, shepherds feeding themselves; waterless clouds, swept along by winds; fruitless trees in late autumn, twice dead, uprooted;13 wild waves of the sea, casting up the foam of their own shame; wandering stars, for whom the gloom of utter darkness has been reserved forever.
14 It was also about these that Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of his holy ones, 15 to execute judgment on all and to convict all the ungodly of all their deeds of ungodliness that they have committed in such an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things that ungodly sinners have spoken against him.” 16 These are grumblers, malcontents, following their own sinful desires; they are loud-mouthed boasters, showing favoritism to gain advantage.
The slandering of others in the body of Christ and have malice towards them are no different then those that live the homosexual lifestyle. They are in the same list together.
Paul tells us what to do with these types of behaviors that are amongst us.
Romans 16:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
1 Corinthians 5:11 (NASB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler—not even to eat with such a one.
3034. [FONT="Galatia Sil" !important]λοίδορος[/FONT] [FONT="Gentium" !important]loidoros[/FONT] noun
An abusive person, reviler, slanderer.
Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary, The - The Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary – Lambda-Omicron.
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Paul tells us what to do with these types of behaviors that are amongst us.
Romans 16:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
1 Corinthians 5:11 (NASB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler—not even to eat with such a one.
3034. [FONT="Galatia Sil" !important]λοίδορος[/FONT] [FONT="Gentium" !important]loidoros[/FONT] noun
An abusive person, reviler, slanderer.
Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary, The - The Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary – Lambda-Omicron.
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Hi Lynn,
Maybe we need an Arminian thread.
You think you know what Arminians believe probably because of what you've read or what you've been told. Or it could be deductive reasoning sort of like those who assume Calvinists believe God is sending those not elected to hell.
I would not agree that all Arminians believe that you work at all to receive salvation. Rather it's a proof of genuine faith when faith does its work. Do you see the difference? Many believe we're saved by grace through faith, just as the Calvinists do.
In case you're interested, yes I know of hyper calvinists. One told me they didn't know if their child would be saved because they might not be one of the elect.
Every thing is from God, even when the person sins, it's God. This is really how they believe. If someone has diabetes or whatever, it isn't God allowed it, it's God did it. This is the church I was a part of for a few years.
And, apparently what I meant with that paragraph didn't come through. What I'm saying is don't worry so much about the dumb labels. Absolutely no one here is a straight-up Calvinist, Arminian, Pelagean, or semi-pelgean. (And Pelegean is to non-Calvinists what hyper-Calvinism is to Calvinist. They ought to be fightin' words.) That's three guys who had thoughts long ago. Some of the stuff might have been good. Some of the stuff was terrible. And most of it the vast majority of us wouldn't know if it slapped us in the face and handed us a million dollars.
Unless you're into TULIP, getting the difference between how many points you agree with is like trying to guess how many jellybeans there are in a jar. Do you even care? And, even non-TULIPers have differences all along over what is free will and tongues. (I can't believe the stupid tongues thing is still around. lol) Does it matter?
Trying to figure out everything everyone believes across the board will drive the most logical mind insane. Most of it is the same as anyone else -- we agree some, we don't agree some -- and that's in the same camp. Kayla was getting caught up in all the differences in terms we Reformed use. Some of them are mostly a put down, not worth trying to understand.
But, I'm not a hyper-Calvinist and I agree along with those parents. We really don't know. We just don't. Not the same as giving up and doing nothing to have that child come to the Lord. We still have God on our side. We still have "pray without ceasing." We still have "raise a child in the way he should go." We still have "be examples."
I'm about to sow seeds in my garden. I plan to have carrots and dill from those seeds. I don't know if I will, but I sure am going to try anyway. God willing, we have carrots and dill.
That's not hyper-Calvinism. That's reality.
Hyper-Calvinism is waiting around for the carrots and dill to show up themselves and see if that's God's plan. That's why I don't know any hyper-Calvinists. I think those people are idiots. lol
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Regeneration is rebirth.
So let's take it back to birth. The baby comes out in shock. Rumor has it, they no longer slap the baby to make it gag out the goop in his/her mouth anymore, but it seems the baby's first reaction is to cry any which way.
Irresistible Grace is like that feeling of security in Mommy's arms. After all that shock, ain't it great to be cuddled by Daddy? Are you going to resist that? That's what's so irresistible. We meet God!
So let's take it back to birth. The baby comes out in shock. Rumor has it, they no longer slap the baby to make it gag out the goop in his/her mouth anymore, but it seems the baby's first reaction is to cry any which way.
Irresistible Grace is like that feeling of security in Mommy's arms. After all that shock, ain't it great to be cuddled by Daddy? Are you going to resist that? That's what's so irresistible. We meet God!