Suicide instant hell?

[Depleted]

See I told ya to many grey areas. Now we have the mental disorder as the defense but what if someone is perfectly sane. Just over whelmed and depression,, hopeless.
As I said who or what can we judge by?

Suicide is insanity, so by definition, it can't be sane. (And it is understood as insanity by the medical profession in America since the beginning of our country, so that is one thing they didn't change to fit the PC police.)

 

[Depleted]

To use a most gruesome example, the 9/11 jumpers. Would God rather that they hadn't jumped, and gotten disintegrated along with the buildings when they fell? Or would He understand that they chose how they were going to die, given the circumstances? Those people had 2 choices: jump or get destroyed along with the towers. If I had been there that day, I absolutely would have jumped. So my question is: how will God judge those people?

And, again, they weren't committing suicide. They chose their best option to live. The two options were to let the jet-fuel fire burn them to ashes or hope jumping out a window saves them. It was highly unlikely that jumping out the window would save them. It was impossible to live in a jet-fuel fire. It was the logical choice for self-preservation between two really bad choices. There was a structure above the entrance to that building. It made the fall shorter by two floors. Everyone who jumped aimed for that structure in hopes it was enough to slow down the speed of their decent. As it happened, the speed was so great they went through it. They had no idea of that outcome unless they tried. Absolutely knew it wasn't likely to survive a fall that big. BUT no way of surviving a fire stealing all your oxygen and reducing you to ashes.

I don't know why more didn't jump.

 

[Depleted]

i also agree those things can be suicide if you die as a direct result to them

but if Jesus would have jumped
and died

do you think he wouldve made a perfect sacrifice for all our sins?


he RESISTED that sin of self murder


also since hes Jesus

he probably couldve landed gentley if he wanted

I'm not Jesus. I'm a coward. I would have also told the Sanhedrin anything they wanted me to say to avoid being nailed through my wrists and feet and then hung up to die. I HATE pain!

 

[Depleted]

Nobody instantly goes to Heaven or to Hell when they die. Judgment Day is the only day that determines where a person will spend eternity. Judgment Day is NOT the day a person dies.

God, heaven and hell are outside of time and space, right? So how can there be a "day" outside time and space?

 

[Depleted]

Quick question: Why is everyone responding to Rockr, since he sets himself up as God and doesn't listen to anyone anyway?

 

[BillG]

And, again, they weren't committing suicide. They chose their best option to live. The two options were to let the jet-fuel fire burn them to ashes or hope jumping out a window saves them. It was highly unlikely that jumping out the window would save them. It was impossible to live in a jet-fuel fire. It was the logical choice for self-preservation between two really bad choices. There was a structure above the entrance to that building. It made the fall shorter by two floors. Everyone who jumped aimed for that structure in hopes it was enough to slow down the speed of their decent. As it happened, the speed was so great they went through it. They had no idea of that outcome unless they tried. Absolutely knew it wasn't likely to survive a fall that big. BUT no way of surviving a fire stealing all your oxygen and reducing you to ashes.

I don't know why more didn't jump.

if I was there I would have jumped. 20 seconds of falling then splat, next thing "Hello Jesus"

id rather that than the minutes of shear pain.

Not suicide just let's get it over and done with

 

[BenFTW]

if I was there I would have jumped. 20 seconds of falling then splat, next thing "Hello Jesus"

id rather that than the minutes of shear pain.

Not suicide just let's get it over and done with

Expediting the process, but then one can argue aren't we all inevitably dying? lol Kind of poor reasoning and logic, because on a grand scale it leads to bad implications.

 

[BillG]

I'm not Jesus. I'm a coward. I would have also told the Sanhedrin anything they wanted me to say to avoid being nailed through my wrists and feet and then hung up to die. I HATE pain!

So was Peter. We know he eventually was crucified upside down. God seemed to have given him the strength to die for Jesus.

If I was in that situation I would hope that I would do the same.
Would I still be a coward? Got no idea.

 

[BillG]

Expediting the process, but then one can argue aren't we all inevitably dying? lol Kind of poor reasoning and logic, because on a grand scale it leads to bad implications.

Not sure what you mean by kind of poor reasoning and logic.

 

[PrynceNY]

if you throw yourself on a bomb you are taking your own life.

So you actually equale laying down your life to save others as suicide?

 

[BenFTW]

Not sure what you mean by kind of poor reasoning and logic.

If someone is going to die inevitably (by fire or falling) then its okay to take your life immediately is the statement you're proposing. So, in essence, we are all dying inevitably, so logically, one can take their life immediately granted the premise that if someone is going to die regardless they can just choose how they die.

It leads to bad implications if we use that as sound logic. I am just making a point, not necessarily agreeing or disagreeing, but giving you some food for thought.

 

[BillG]

If someone is going to die inevitably (by fire or falling) then its okay to take your life immediately is the statement you're proposing. So, in essence, we are all dying inevitably, so logically, one can take their life immediately granted the premise that if someone is going to die regardless they can just choose how they die.

It leads to bad implications if we use that as sound logic. I am just making a point, not necessarily agreeing or disagreeing, but giving you some food for thought.

I hear what you are saying and yes you have interpreted what I am saying.

We will all die inevitably.

If I was stood before someone who said to me "I am going to kill you, bullet in the head or burned at the stake or beheading? I'd take the bullet.

To me I was saying that given inevitable death as a result of circumstance I would make the call.

However given the circumstances where we can choose to live or die then it's not an inevitable choice as such.
In that circumstance I can make that choice.

 

[BenFTW]

I hear what you are saying and yes you have interpreted what I am saying.

We will all die inevitably.

If I was stood before someone who said to me "I am going to kill you, bullet in the head or burned at the stake or beheading? I'd take the bullet.

To me I was saying that given inevitable death as a result of circumstance I would make the call.

However given the circumstances where we can choose to live or die then it's not an inevitable choice as such.
In that circumstance I can make that choice.

So the choice is only granted if life is not an option?

 

[Depleted]

if I was there I would have jumped. 20 seconds of falling then splat, next thing "Hello Jesus"

id rather that than the minutes of shear pain.

Not suicide just let's get it over and done with

If you jump out of a seven floor window, you have a chance of surviving. (Excruciating pain and lots of broken bones, but surviving.) Some people have survived a 10th floor drop. Two people have survived a parachute jump when the parachute never inflated. (Oddly enough, it was a tandem jump with instructor and student. The instructor made sure he padded the student's landing. The student was out of the hospital in three days. The instructor was into his 9th month of recovery at the end of that article.) The odds of any of them surviving were roughly the same chances of winning a large lottery. Someone wins the large lottery often enough it beats the other choice.

I hate pain. I prefer pain to death, when in my right mind. lol

 

[Depleted]

I hear what you are saying and yes you have interpreted what I am saying.

We will all die inevitably.

If I was stood before someone who said to me "I am going to kill you, bullet in the head or burned at the stake or beheading? I'd take the bullet.

To me I was saying that given inevitable death as a result of circumstance I would make the call.

However given the circumstances where we can choose to live or die then it's not an inevitable choice as such.
In that circumstance I can make that choice.

I'd take beheading, in hopes the person chances their mind before my head is in that cradle. Or I could escape. lol

 

[BillG]

So the choice is only granted if life is not an option?

Not necessarily because to a suiciadal person life is not an option but their is a reason why it can be but they don't see it.

What about the guy who on the plane flying towards the White House and was heard to say "Lets rumble" What choice did he have? This brave man and those who helped him knew that in that circumstance there was only one outcome, that his death in the circumstance was inevitable, not only to him but to everyone on that plane, even the perpetrators of this hideous crime.

I am not sure I fully I understand your quote above. Is not live granted when there is an option not to die?

To,someone contemplating suicide life is an option but they can't see it.

To those people on the plane the option of life was not available.

 

[BenFTW]

Not necessarily because to a suiciadal person life is not an option but their is a reason why it can be but they don't see it.

What about the guy who on the plane flying towards the White House and was heard to say "Lets rumble" What choice did he have? This brave man and those who helped him knew that in that circumstance there was only one outcome, that his death in the circumstance was inevitable, not only to him but to everyone on that plane, even the perpetrators of this hideous crime.

I am not sure I fully I understand your quote above. Is not live granted when there is an option not to die?

To,someone contemplating suicide life is an option but they can't see it.

To those people on the plane the option of life was not available.

Right, life is an option to the suicidal person. As opposed to those faced with imminent death, they simply are allowed to take a risk (save their life through action), or in the case of the burning building, you're saying that they can choose to take their life because it was going to end anyways. They just chose how they would die.

I suppose then that imminence is the crux of your argument.

 

[BillG]

If you jump out of a seven floor window, you have a chance of surviving. (Excruciating pain and lots of broken bones, but surviving.) Some people have survived a 10th floor drop. Two people have survived a parachute jump when the parachute never inflated. (Oddly enough, it was a tandem jump with instructor and student. The instructor made sure he padded the student's landing. The student was out of the hospital in three days. The instructor was into his 9th month of recovery at the end of that article.) The odds of any of them surviving were roughly the same chances of winning a large lottery. Someone wins the large lottery often enough it beats the other choice.

I hate pain. I prefer pain to death, when in my right mind. lol

I suppose it comes down to ones reasoning and tolerance.

As a person who contemplated and suffered suicidal thoughts for many many years I wasn't in my right mind for me.

Given your post I actually think I would be like the instructor, if I could save the student I would do.

That may seem a bit wierd but during years of my suicidal thoughts I had a wife and 4 kids. But I knew God would take care of them. Totally wrong attitude and extremely selfish.

I Thank God he bought me to my senses.

 

[Rockrz]

it is sound wisdom in accordance with His word

Not when God's Word is being ignored concerning what He said about suicide... still in error!

God told us in the end times many would oppose or contradict the Lord... He was right!

Why is everyone responding to Rockr, since he sets himself up as God and doesn't listen to anyone anyway?

Repeating what God says in His Word... is claiming to be God???
That's hilarious

well, it would be if it weren't so pathetic on your part.
So, enlighten me... WHY should we not believe what God says in His Word???

So was Peter.

That was only BEFORE he got born again and filled with the Holy Ghost.

After that, he had no more fear... funny how religious minded people like to use Peter's short comings before he got saved to make themselves feel better about their own.... like you guys talking about being scared of death not knowing death has lost it's sting and those in Christ should have no more fear of death since we have not been given a spirit of fear.

Fear drives people to deny the Lord and try to save their own life... Jesus said those who do this will LOOSE their life as in... not spending eternity with Him!

 

[dcontroversal]

No.....Samson asked for his strenght back to commit suicide and avenge himself on the Philistine lords.....God allowed it and would not have if it led to hell!