Not By Works

[eternally-gratefull]

God blesses us even before we are fully sanctified, we just don't recognize it as a blessing at the time.

Martin Luther talked of two types of righteousness. Perhaps that would help people understand what is being said?

amen. I think we tried to go here before. What is the difference in self works and spiritual works. (Spiritual righteousness vs self righteousness

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The way you interpret scripture is once you have arrived at faith, you are
there forever. People use this kind of language when the fall in love.
I will love your forever, we will be together forever. These words are true
if love continues, but change radically when the love evaporates.

God promised much to Israel on condition they stayed faithful to Him.
They did not so judgement came and they were led into captivity.

God promises much to His people, but it is continually given with warnings
about walking in the Spirit, leading to life, and the flesh leading to death.

How can these words spoken to believers mean anything but you show to the
flesh and the words of promise are empty. It is amazing how wonderful the cross
is, but only for the people of faith and promise.

no, I just take God at his word, and trust he knows when I have true faith he gave me, vs the wish washy faith humans usually have, so he knows I will never walk away because she my faith is in him, now how good I am or how strong I am to maintain faith by self effort, whcih will never work.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If salvation has no condition based on your response to Christ, there is no point
to salvation. You do not let a homicidal maniac out of prison because he believes
someone else is a nice guy, but because he is no longer a homicidal maniac and
is not going to go around murdering people.

However you express this or package it, it is this change and experience is the
point of salvation, a sinner changed into a saint. The question that trips up most
believers is what about the finer details and more subtle issues of how we express
love one to another. But that is our walk, not in sin, but in love and the Spirit.

And keeping faith in Christ is not hard, because the cross tells us all we need to
know about His character.

What concerns me is the impossible issues people continually raise but actually
appear to be everyday relationship and attitude issues which in Christ can all be
resolved. What for me is staggering to just state these realities I am the worst
evil in the world. I think this demonstrates the totally out of proportion reaction
people have within themselves. This is the pride of man stirring up issues that
are in the believer themselves and not in Christ or anyone else.

The Holy Spirit worked in the churches Paul preached to because they changed
and walked in holiness and purity. It is obvious from how Paul shares, lifting Holy
hands in praise to Him.

Here we go with nonsense again, the typical ( You can be a homicidal maniac rapist murderer nonsense which always precedes a works salvation theology.

I am am glad your not a maniac homicidal rapist homophobic or whatever Peter. Praise god,

however that that does not make you saved. Take yourself out of the rquation. Only then can you trust Christ, until then , you will always be passing these same old nonsensical let's judge others self righteous salvation, and reject grace

 

[BillG]

Shake off the dust, means to stop sharing the word with unbelievers who refuse to hear. If they don't want to hear, there's no sense in talking to them. Seriously, Ariel, you should already know this..

The influence the RCC has on some in here, is fairly obvious in light of what they say they believe or don't believe in.

I'm NOT spending the rest of my time going round with someone who doesn't believe in eternal salvation, and who can't understand the simple concept that works do not save us.

is your post referring to Fran? Unbeliever?

 

[phil36]

People can, and do, walk away from God for awhile, then eventually find their way back. It's called stumbling off the path..

That's a good point Blue. I like how the Westminster Confession of Faith articulates the same biblical truth. (Chapter 17The Perseverance of the Saints).

1. Those whom God has accepted in his Son and has effectually called and sanctified by his Spiritcan never completely or finally fall out of their state of grace. Rather, they shall definitelycontinue in that state to the end and are eternally saved.(1)

1. Phil 1.6, 2 Pt 1.10, Jn 10.28-29, 1 Jn 3.9, 1 Pt 1.5,9, Jb 17.9, Jer 32.40.


And

3. Nevertheless, the temptations of Satan, the world, and their old carnal nature, along withneglect of the means of their preservation, may lead believers to commit serious sins and tocontinue in them for a time.(7) They consequently displease God(8) and grieve his Holy Spirit,(9) have some of the fruit of God’s grace and his comforts taken away from them,(1)0 have theirhearts hardened(11) and their consciences wounded,(12) hurt and offend others,(13) and bring temporaljudgments on themselves.(14)

7. Mt 26.70,72,74, Ps 51.Title and verse 14, 2 Sam 12.9,13.
8. Is 64.5,7,9, 2 Sam 11.27.
9. Eph 4.30.
10. Ps 51.8,10,12, Rv 2.4, Sg 5.2-4, 6.
11. Is 36.17, Mk 6.52, 16.14, Ps 95.8.
12. Ps 32.3-4, 51.8.
13. 2 Sm 12.14, Ez 16.54.
14. Ps 89.31-32, 1 Cor 11.32, 2 Sm 12.10.

(For anyone interested, you will get the most from the above if you also read the scriture references provided.)

 

[blue_ladybug]

It's referring to anyone who doesn't believe and refuses to hear. I didn't mention Fran at all in my post.. Many people don't believe in eternal salvation, so technically yes, they can be called unbelievers. How can you believe in God's promises, but NOT believe that He gives us eternal salvation??

is your post referring to Fran? Unbeliever?

 

[JIMBO43]

Its one thing to say to someone you will go to hell... but its another work to say hey there take walk on the wild side.. lol

I think i would go for its a heresey to say you are the done deal before judgemnet day..

 

[BillG]

It's referring to anyone who doesn't believe and refuses to hear. I didn't mention Fran at all in my post.. Many people don't believe in eternal salvation, so technically yes, they can be called unbelievers. How can you believe in God's promises, but NOT believe that He gives us eternal salvation??

I only asked because it seems to have come between posts between you, Fran and Ariel.

But to what extent are you taken uneliever?

To the extent of not saved, never saved?

 

[JIMBO43]

tell me which works best for you lol..

and which works is the best works going..aprt from Jesus of course... which works goes best for anyone here who is a believer.... what work doi you like best ?

 

[blue_ladybug]

I would say probably never truly saved. Because what's the point of getting saved, if you don't believe that you have eternal life waiting for you? That's like saying, I believe in God, but I don't believe that Jesus ever lived..

I only asked because it seems to have come between posts between you, Fran and Ariel.

But to what extent are you taken uneliever?

To the extent of not saved, never saved?

 

[Ariel82]

amen. I think we tried to go here before. What is the difference in self works and spiritual works. (Spiritual righteousness vs self righteousness

No everyone knows self righteousness is wrong. What some don't get is the righteousness God imparts to us "alien" from Christ is what makes our "proper" righteousness which belongs to us (so could be called "self righteousness" but is created to give God glory not ourselves. Therefore it's NOT SELFISH righteousness which really is just called pride.

 

[blue_ladybug]

Works don't go best for believers, because works DO NOT GIVE YOU SALVATION.

tell me which works best for you lol..

and which works is the best works going..aprt from Jesus of course... which works goes best for anyone here who is a believer.... what work doi you like best ?

 

[BillG]

Its one thing to say to someone you will go to hell... but its another work to say hey there take walk on the wild side.. lol

I think i would go for its a heresey to say you are the done deal before judgemnet day..

And others would say the same in rebuttal.

I can't answer your last sentence.

Reson being I don't fully understand heresy and how far it has to go to proclaim a false Jesus as such

 

[Ariel82]

What denomination church do you attend Phil?

Obviously reformed, but just curious.

 

[BillG]

I would say probably never truly saved. Because what's the point of getting saved, if you don't believe that you have eternal life waiting for you? That's like saying, I believe in God, but I don't believe that Jesus ever lived..

So are you saying those that have a difference in doctrine to you are not saved?
The doctrine that you believe as stated above.

 

[BillG]

What denomination church do you attend Phil?

Obviously reformed, but just curious.

Whose Phil?

 

[JIMBO43]

Works don't go best for believers, because works DO NOT GIVE YOU SALVATION.

so thats your contribution of what good works you like best... thats really sad in my book..ill pray for you..


how about the works of Jesus giving you salvation.. or is that diffrent works to you.. ?

 

[Ariel82]

tell me which works best for you lol..

and which works is the best works going..aprt from Jesus of course... which works goes best for anyone here who is a believer.... what work doi you like best ?

The works God called me to do are the best works for me.

It changes sometimes. For the past 11 years I have been a mom to my son, then later my daughter. Wife to my husband. Sunday school teacher to some 1st graders, tutor, girl scout helper, etc.

The jobs go on and the good works accompany the task God gives me.

However yesterday He blessed me with the opportunity to give a teenager a ride from the community center to his house around sunset. It was about a 5 mile walk on a school night.

I had my Christian music playing...maybe it will plant a seed. Its all in God's hands, but i sometimes get caught up in my own world that I don't notice others who God wants us to reach too.

 

[JIMBO43]

And others would say the same in rebuttal.

I can't answer your last sentence.

Reson being I don't fully understand heresy and how far it has to go to proclaim a false Jesus as such

rrrr well all you have know is you can still be forgiven for being one... a heretic that is..

 

[Ariel82]

Whose Phil?

You mean you don't see the big cheesy grin, yellow smiley face man?

But you can answer too.

I think Jimbo said he was Anglican? Might be wrong.
.PeterJens attends a Baptist church. FranC attends a Wesleyan church.

Don't know about anyone else.