kayla,
Preacher4truth, forth and sovereigngrace have all stated that the Holy Spirit does not draw men, God does.
You are arguing a mute point if they do not believe the Holy Spirit draws men then stop feeding the beast.
That is central to the Bible and as such for them to dismiss it outright means they are not following the way, the life and the truth, despite their double-minded tempter tantrum that they do.
This has gone from your original mandate of wanting to learn to understand their "religion" to now giving a few in a certain group a voice to discount, marginalize, ridicule, rebuke, correct people at whim and without fear of reprisal which allows them to spread strife, division, discourse to any who disagrees with them.
Playtime is over and we need to get back to work.
The only exception to this is Lynn, who has been cordial and really helped and not been smug, arrogant, and demeaning in sharing her knowledge. Lynn is more closer to reformed Calvinist than 3 of those guys, who need to be left alone.