Not By Works
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yes things like this can be from the pit of hell. like the lie that people do not sin as believers. that is a big fat lie.
so maybe, you should send that belief back where it came from, it has no business in the Body of Christ, because sinless perfectionism is a LIE. and so is anyone who will not admit to sinning.
so maybe, you should send that belief back where it came from, it has no business in the Body of Christ, because sinless perfectionism is a LIE. and so is anyone who will not admit to sinning.
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Some things are wrong for one, but not for another. I watch MMA. Not frequently, but i enjoy it sometimes.
But i think you misunderstand what it means to put something above God. Yours is a misconception that if someones life isn't 24/7 God then anything they do otherwise is putting it above God, and that's not how it works. That is also very works based. And by your very own logic the fact that you are on CC at this moments means you are putting CC above God. Jesus laughed, cried, slept, walked, had dinner with friends, argued with pharisees, was a carpenter.
To put something above God means to consistently set God aside because you prefer X activity. Spending 10 hours in the bible instead of the other way around is putting God above sports. Taking 1 hour out of 11 to watch sports is in no way putting God above sports.
Lastly it may not have been the focus of your question, but that does not mean God is not trying to speak. We have to be able to hear God in whatever direction He speaks, even if it's not our focus.
But i think you misunderstand what it means to put something above God. Yours is a misconception that if someones life isn't 24/7 God then anything they do otherwise is putting it above God, and that's not how it works. That is also very works based. And by your very own logic the fact that you are on CC at this moments means you are putting CC above God. Jesus laughed, cried, slept, walked, had dinner with friends, argued with pharisees, was a carpenter.
To put something above God means to consistently set God aside because you prefer X activity. Spending 10 hours in the bible instead of the other way around is putting God above sports. Taking 1 hour out of 11 to watch sports is in no way putting God above sports.
Lastly it may not have been the focus of your question, but that does not mean God is not trying to speak. We have to be able to hear God in whatever direction He speaks, even if it's not our focus.
I think that Peterjens is trying to speak about how our life should look like if Christ is being manifested in us which - he is correct in that IMO.
But - Where the dis-connect is - how is this done and if this is not done then does this mean we are kicked out of Christ?
That ...to me seems to be the issue other then the obvious mis-representation what is actually being said in real life.
But - Where the dis-connect is - how is this done and if this is not done then does this mean we are kicked out of Christ?
That ...to me seems to be the issue other then the obvious mis-representation what is actually being said in real life.
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Paul, who was taught by direct revelation and inspired to pen the letters he penned was clear....
a. If salvation is by grace, which it is, it cannot be by works
b. If by works, which it is not, it is no longer grace
It is not both.....It is one or the other....
To blend faith and works to get, keep or maintain salvation is a gospel of another kind, which is not the same kind Paul preached.
Faith plus works for salvation is false, double cursed, has no power to save and Paul uses two words to accurately describe those who peddle it....the words being FOOLISH AND BEWITCHED<--Galatians 1 and 3
I will take grace and faith over being foolish and or bewitched....how about you?
a. If salvation is by grace, which it is, it cannot be by works
b. If by works, which it is not, it is no longer grace
It is not both.....It is one or the other....
To blend faith and works to get, keep or maintain salvation is a gospel of another kind, which is not the same kind Paul preached.
Faith plus works for salvation is false, double cursed, has no power to save and Paul uses two words to accurately describe those who peddle it....the words being FOOLISH AND BEWITCHED<--Galatians 1 and 3
I will take grace and faith over being foolish and or bewitched....how about you?
