as Christ prayed in the garden, what is commonly called His 'high priestly prayer' - He said:
what does this mean?
Here is Jesus, on earth, before He gives Himself over to the Sanhedrin, to be handed over to Rome and to be crucified: and He already says He is "no longer in the world"
how is He not in the world, at this time?
it's far easier to understand when He says this:
but saying one is "not of the world" is far different from saying one is "not in the world" -- isn't it?
so what does He mean in verse 11?
He goes on to pray,
so the quality by which He is not in the world ((even as He still walked on earth)), it is not His will that we should share - at least not now. from verse 11, we are "in" the world, and here, it isn't His will for us to be taken out - instead, to be "kept" even while in the world, acknowledging that we are no "of" it.
but He -- obviously not "of" the world and ((very un-obviously?)) also not "in" the world even while He is still walking on earth?
we share the quality by which He is not of the world, but not ((yet)) the quality by which we are not in the world.
what does He mean, He is not in the world?
when did He cease to be in the world? this is long before the ascension
was He ever in the world?
if not, what is He? what is His manifestation in the flesh, a man-shaped hole in the world through which heaven is glimpsed?
I am no longer in the world;
and yet they themselves are in the world, and I come to You.
(John 17:11)
and yet they themselves are in the world, and I come to You.
(John 17:11)
what does this mean?
Here is Jesus, on earth, before He gives Himself over to the Sanhedrin, to be handed over to Rome and to be crucified: and He already says He is "no longer in the world"
how is He not in the world, at this time?
it's far easier to understand when He says this:
I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them,
because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
(John 17:14)
because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
(John 17:14)
but saying one is "not of the world" is far different from saying one is "not in the world" -- isn't it?
so what does He mean in verse 11?
He goes on to pray,
I do not ask You to take them out of the world, but to keep them from the evil one.
They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
(John 17:15-16)
They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
(John 17:15-16)
so the quality by which He is not in the world ((even as He still walked on earth)), it is not His will that we should share - at least not now. from verse 11, we are "in" the world, and here, it isn't His will for us to be taken out - instead, to be "kept" even while in the world, acknowledging that we are no "of" it.
but He -- obviously not "of" the world and ((very un-obviously?)) also not "in" the world even while He is still walking on earth?
we share the quality by which He is not of the world, but not ((yet)) the quality by which we are not in the world.
what does He mean, He is not in the world?
when did He cease to be in the world? this is long before the ascension
was He ever in the world?
if not, what is He? what is His manifestation in the flesh, a man-shaped hole in the world through which heaven is glimpsed?