Regardless of what one's position is on this, the teaching that the sons of God were the sons of Seth, has no scriptural basis or logical basis. It is an illogical teaching that requires adding to the story what is not there. If one does not believe that angels cohabited with humans, then believe that way, but do not stoop to making up an illogical story and trying to place it in the bible.
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In 1Samuel the word is not elohim...It's elohim olim which simply comes out as spirit ones, not sons of God Still it does prove that they are not men.
Your point that the Bnei HaElohim appeared before God...The Father is in His throne room. That's where the bible puts Him.
Therefore the sons of God cannot be men...
And Job 38! Man was not made yet, so it cannot be men shouting for joy as the stars sang
I do like your stance on this
Your point that the Bnei HaElohim appeared before God...The Father is in His throne room. That's where the bible puts Him.
Therefore the sons of God cannot be men...
And Job 38! Man was not made yet, so it cannot be men shouting for joy as the stars sang
I do like your stance on this
As a Witch she saw as the spirt of lies revealed gods (legion)false prophcy. She needed Saul to discribe what he wanted to see.They always come up as a legion(many) with the need for someone to put a face on the legion. It becomes; "who you gonna call" the skies the limit.
Mark 5:9 And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many.
Luke 8:30 And Jesus asked him, saying, What is thy name? And he said, Legion: because many devils were entered into him.
THe whole nine yards
Corrupted Flesh and blood could never enter the kingdom of God. Satan remains without form as does any angel.
What was seen was a false sign and wonder as a illusion of his fleshly mind under the influence of the father of lies. (will worship)
Therefore seeing of things that were not there. God sent a strong delusion so that Saul would believe the lie to confirm his unbelief.(no faith)
Samuel was dead.... not in suspended animation as in reincarnation. His new born again spirit he was given in regard to his new birth left his body of death and entered the Bosom of God the heavenly city of new Jerusalem, as the bride of Christ.
Corrupted flesh and blood that ages to show decay and leading to death cannot enter that city. Samauel is part of the first resurrection awaiting his new incorruptible body.
Jam 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
To assume Samuel did arise in flesh and blood and that it was not just a vision of his own mind as will worship. A person would have to establish that necromancy is a approved manner in which the Holy Spirit would bring a revelation, called prophecy.
It seems easy to see Saul was seeking to commune with God who was already cut off from all communication and therefore sought after a god of his mind (will worship) enticed by the father of lies through necromancy. Rachael with her god’s as idols (teraphims) that she hid from her father, would be a good example of the father of lies and false prophecy.
When a person seeks after (necromancy)disembodied spirits in a hope of communing with God (prophecy) in respect to any other spirit that does not have a bodily form other than the Spirit of our Father in heaven, God. They have sought after necromancy.The Catholics perform that with what they call patron saints, approved by men, and not God
There is one manner that we can commune with one who has no body, the other side of the coin spells blasphemy
Mat 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
God simply sent a strong delusion to Saul so that he could keep believing the lie that came form will worship (his own will) Just as Satan continues to do today spread his lies.
Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh. Col 2:18
Angels that were not formed from the dust as a beast of the field... remain without form (DNA)They do not belong to the terrestrial. Kinds multiply after kinds. They are not the kind that can multiply (no reason to) we do not wrestle against flesh and blood as that seen, but spirits and principalities as that not seen..... the faith realm
That portion of scripture is simply teaching us to not to be unevenly yoked.
Mark 5:9 And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many.
Luke 8:30 And Jesus asked him, saying, What is thy name? And he said, Legion: because many devils were entered into him.
THe whole nine yards
Corrupted Flesh and blood could never enter the kingdom of God. Satan remains without form as does any angel.
What was seen was a false sign and wonder as a illusion of his fleshly mind under the influence of the father of lies. (will worship)
Therefore seeing of things that were not there. God sent a strong delusion so that Saul would believe the lie to confirm his unbelief.(no faith)
Samuel was dead.... not in suspended animation as in reincarnation. His new born again spirit he was given in regard to his new birth left his body of death and entered the Bosom of God the heavenly city of new Jerusalem, as the bride of Christ.
Corrupted flesh and blood that ages to show decay and leading to death cannot enter that city. Samauel is part of the first resurrection awaiting his new incorruptible body.
Jam 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
To assume Samuel did arise in flesh and blood and that it was not just a vision of his own mind as will worship. A person would have to establish that necromancy is a approved manner in which the Holy Spirit would bring a revelation, called prophecy.
It seems easy to see Saul was seeking to commune with God who was already cut off from all communication and therefore sought after a god of his mind (will worship) enticed by the father of lies through necromancy. Rachael with her god’s as idols (teraphims) that she hid from her father, would be a good example of the father of lies and false prophecy.
When a person seeks after (necromancy)disembodied spirits in a hope of communing with God (prophecy) in respect to any other spirit that does not have a bodily form other than the Spirit of our Father in heaven, God. They have sought after necromancy.The Catholics perform that with what they call patron saints, approved by men, and not God
There is one manner that we can commune with one who has no body, the other side of the coin spells blasphemy
Mat 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
God simply sent a strong delusion to Saul so that he could keep believing the lie that came form will worship (his own will) Just as Satan continues to do today spread his lies.
Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh. Col 2:18
Angels that were not formed from the dust as a beast of the field... remain without form (DNA)They do not belong to the terrestrial. Kinds multiply after kinds. They are not the kind that can multiply (no reason to) we do not wrestle against flesh and blood as that seen, but spirits and principalities as that not seen..... the faith realm
That portion of scripture is simply teaching us to not to be unevenly yoked.
LOL I merely pointed out that the witch of Endor thought she had seen Elohim. That showed that Elohim meant familiar spirits, among other things, ie supernatural characters.
So all your talk about Saul was a waste of time.
But it does show the sons of the elohim (those who were like the elohim) were supernatural beings.
So all your talk about Saul was a waste of time.
But it does show the sons of the elohim (those who were like the elohim) were supernatural beings.
Makes a great Bible study, so it’s not a waste to me. Join in?
Its gods plural as in legion. It’s the way the legion always comes up and needs someone to put a face as an idol (teraphim) so then they can believe they have the right one. It gives the illusion a person is speaking to another person, and not just speaking to the air.
Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel.And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spake to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul.And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods (many Legion) ascending out of the earth.And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself. 1Sa 28:11-14
(Worshipping fallen angel as a figment of his imagination coming from his fleshly mind)
Only God alone is supernatural (without a beginning) angels are created beings as spirits not seen (no dna... corrupted Terrestrial)
The legion is not like God singular, it represents many (Legion) It is rather like Satan that not seen .Gods do not have a form. Someone (witch) must reveal what they hoped would come to pass as the father of lies reveals subjecting his (not seen) thoughts in the witch. Angels do not have DNA as a rudiment of this world
God sent Saul who the Holy Spirit refused to commune with a strong delusion so Saul could keep believing the lie. Bowing down to the legion shows he was worshipping a fallen angels by his fleshly mind in which we are warned of
Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands havingCol 2:18
This shows Saul's unbelief (no faith) does not come from the mouth of God. The word seek used in that way is the word Necromancy. It’s why Christ asked, what its name (singular) was. That information is needed to understand that parables below.
Mark 5:9 And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many.
Mark 5:15 And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid.
Luke 8:30 And Jesus asked him, saying, What is thy name?(singular) And he said, Legion: because many devils were entered into him.
Exodus 22:18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
Deuteronomy 18:10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch.
Perhaps what you offered to me below you should apply it your own self.
Its gods plural as in legion. It’s the way the legion always comes up and needs someone to put a face as an idol (teraphim) so then they can believe they have the right one. It gives the illusion a person is speaking to another person, and not just speaking to the air.
Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel.And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spake to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul.And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods (many Legion) ascending out of the earth.And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself. 1Sa 28:11-14
(Worshipping fallen angel as a figment of his imagination coming from his fleshly mind)
Only God alone is supernatural (without a beginning) angels are created beings as spirits not seen (no dna... corrupted Terrestrial)
The legion is not like God singular, it represents many (Legion) It is rather like Satan that not seen .Gods do not have a form. Someone (witch) must reveal what they hoped would come to pass as the father of lies reveals subjecting his (not seen) thoughts in the witch. Angels do not have DNA as a rudiment of this world
God sent Saul who the Holy Spirit refused to commune with a strong delusion so Saul could keep believing the lie. Bowing down to the legion shows he was worshipping a fallen angels by his fleshly mind in which we are warned of
Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands havingCol 2:18
This shows Saul's unbelief (no faith) does not come from the mouth of God. The word seek used in that way is the word Necromancy. It’s why Christ asked, what its name (singular) was. That information is needed to understand that parables below.
Mark 5:9 And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many.
Mark 5:15 And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid.
Luke 8:30 And Jesus asked him, saying, What is thy name?(singular) And he said, Legion: because many devils were entered into him.
Exodus 22:18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
Deuteronomy 18:10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch.
Perhaps what you offered to me below you should apply it your own self.
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Thank you for further proving my point, not only did you go out of the context of the storyline, the overall context of the storyline, you when out of the sola scripture storyline. I like the way you inserted Bible books with chapter and verse to show what you think is about the storyline in Genesis, but I see no mention of Adam, Cain, Zillah, Maamah, Lameech, Seth, Enoch, Noah, Shem or any other character of the storyline. It's just a story about some mythical beings that have nothing to do with Genesis 4:11-7:16. It mentions lots of characters but not one of them is mentioned in Genesis 4:11-6:13 unless I missed something.
So the book of Enoch proves nothing it only proves that no one can go from Genesis 4:11-6:1 and show how the context of the storyline shows fallen angels, it's takes lots of eisegesis to both storylines to make it all fit, you have do an eisegesis number on the book of Enoch to make it fit the Genesis storyline, since there are no mentions of any character in the book of Enoch that is in Genesis and no mention of anyone in the book of Genesis that fits the book of Enoch.
So again we have a very long rabbit trail that leads to the game place, no one can take the storyline of Genesis and come to the contextual conclusion of the storyline to make fallen angels fit the context or someone would of speared us all of this non-sense. I will give you credit at least you didn't chop up my explanation of the context of the storyline.
What has interested my is as we've been doing this, I've been looking for some books on totally different subjects and some of the authors I'm looking at wrote books on the Seed of the women or something similar the Messiah and they all mention the sons of God as those carrying the righteous Seed of the women, how this righteous line carried it to the birth of Christ, shown in the genealogies given for Christ in Luke and Matthew. What's really strange is the books I'm looking for are on salvation and prophecy and they all say it as a matter of fact. No going here and there to prove the point. When you think about it both of those subjects thou they sound as thou they are unrelated, they are because they are both about Jesus and that is the overall storyline of the Bible, from the prophecy of the women Seed to Christ's birth, to His return, it's all about Him.
So the book of Enoch proves nothing it only proves that no one can go from Genesis 4:11-6:1 and show how the context of the storyline shows fallen angels, it's takes lots of eisegesis to both storylines to make it all fit, you have do an eisegesis number on the book of Enoch to make it fit the Genesis storyline, since there are no mentions of any character in the book of Enoch that is in Genesis and no mention of anyone in the book of Genesis that fits the book of Enoch.
So again we have a very long rabbit trail that leads to the game place, no one can take the storyline of Genesis and come to the contextual conclusion of the storyline to make fallen angels fit the context or someone would of speared us all of this non-sense. I will give you credit at least you didn't chop up my explanation of the context of the storyline.
What has interested my is as we've been doing this, I've been looking for some books on totally different subjects and some of the authors I'm looking at wrote books on the Seed of the women or something similar the Messiah and they all mention the sons of God as those carrying the righteous Seed of the women, how this righteous line carried it to the birth of Christ, shown in the genealogies given for Christ in Luke and Matthew. What's really strange is the books I'm looking for are on salvation and prophecy and they all say it as a matter of fact. No going here and there to prove the point. When you think about it both of those subjects thou they sound as thou they are unrelated, they are because they are both about Jesus and that is the overall storyline of the Bible, from the prophecy of the women Seed to Christ's birth, to His return, it's all about Him.
I see it more that you added something...gloring in the flesh as if it could profit something.Even Chrst of his own corrupted flesh said it profits for nothing
There is no need to look at the corrupted flesh of those men .The gospel is not after the physical, fleshly, corrupted seeds (many the human race) but the spiritual seed (one Christ).
Again not that it is after the flesh of any man (seeds) but is after the seed of the gospel Christ. Abel is the first used to represent the gospel He had favor (mercy) on Abel but not Cain. That was the seed .it first representative was killed God gave another to replace the first example.
It is why the Spirit of Christ named him Seth
Strongs lexicon Seth = "compensation08352 Sheth {shayth}
from 07896;; pr n m
AV - Seth 7, Sheth 2; 9
Seth = "compensation" 1) the 3rd son of Adam by Eve 1a) also 'Sheth'
Gen 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed (Christ as in one) "instead of" Abel, whom Cain slew.
They represented the seed (Christ) not seen, the spiritual, it was not in lieu of them.
Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
There is no need to look at the corrupted flesh of those men .The gospel is not after the physical, fleshly, corrupted seeds (many the human race) but the spiritual seed (one Christ).
Again not that it is after the flesh of any man (seeds) but is after the seed of the gospel Christ. Abel is the first used to represent the gospel He had favor (mercy) on Abel but not Cain. That was the seed .it first representative was killed God gave another to replace the first example.
It is why the Spirit of Christ named him Seth
Strongs lexicon Seth = "compensation08352 Sheth {shayth}
from 07896;; pr n m
AV - Seth 7, Sheth 2; 9
Seth = "compensation" 1) the 3rd son of Adam by Eve 1a) also 'Sheth'
Gen 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed (Christ as in one) "instead of" Abel, whom Cain slew.
They represented the seed (Christ) not seen, the spiritual, it was not in lieu of them.
Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
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[h=1]Jude 6-7 (CJB)[/h] [SUP]6 [/SUP]And the angels that did not keep within their original authority, but abandoned their proper sphere, he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for the Judgment of the Great Day. [SUP]7 [/SUP]And S’dom, ‘Amora and the surrounding cities, following a pattern like theirs, committing sexual sins and perversions, lie exposed as a warning of the everlasting fire awaiting those who must undergo punishment.
[h=1]Jude 6-7 (AMP)[/h] [SUP]6 [/SUP]And angels who did not keep their own designated place of power, but abandoned their proper dwelling place, [these] He has kept in eternal chains under [the thick gloom of utter] darkness for the judgment of the great day, [SUP]7 [/SUP]just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the adjacent cities, since they in the same way as these angels indulged in gross immoral freedom and unnatural vice and sensual perversity. They are exhibited [in plain sight] as an example in undergoing the punishment of everlasting fire.
Seems to be plain that the sons of God are angels
[h=1]Jude 6-7 (AMP)[/h] [SUP]6 [/SUP]And angels who did not keep their own designated place of power, but abandoned their proper dwelling place, [these] He has kept in eternal chains under [the thick gloom of utter] darkness for the judgment of the great day, [SUP]7 [/SUP]just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the adjacent cities, since they in the same way as these angels indulged in gross immoral freedom and unnatural vice and sensual perversity. They are exhibited [in plain sight] as an example in undergoing the punishment of everlasting fire.
Seems to be plain that the sons of God are angels
Jude 6-7 (CJB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And the angels that did not keep within their original authority, but abandoned their proper sphere, he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for the Judgment of the Great Day. [SUP]7 [/SUP]And S’dom, ‘Amora and the surrounding cities, following a pattern like theirs, committing sexual sins and perversions, lie exposed as a warning of the everlasting fire awaiting those who must undergo punishment.
Jude 6-7 (AMP)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And angels who did not keep their own designated place of power, but abandoned their proper dwelling place, [these] He has kept in eternal chains under [the thick gloom of utter] darkness for the judgment of the great day, [SUP]7 [/SUP]just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the adjacent cities, since they in the same way as these angels indulged in gross immoral freedom and unnatural vice and sensual perversity. They are exhibited [in plain sight] as an example in undergoing the punishment of everlasting fire.
Seems to be plain that the sons of God are angels
[FONT="]Two New Testament passages shed further light on Genesis 6. They
are Jude 6-7 and 2 Peter 2:4. These verses indicate that at some point
in time a number of angels fell from their pristine state and proceeded
to commit a sexual sin that was both unusual and repugnant. Jude
6-7 states: “And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left
their Own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under
darkness unto the judgement of the great day. Even as Sodom and
Gomorrah and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh...”
These angels not only failed to keep their original dominion and
authority, but they “left their own habitation.” Habitation is a significant word: it means “dwelling place” or “heaven.” And the addition
of the Greek word idi (their own) means that they left their own private, personal, unique possession.68 Heaven was the private, personal
residence of the angels. It was not made for man but for the angels.
This is why the ultimate destination of the saints will not be Heaven
but the new and perfect Earth which God will create (Revelation
21:1-3). Heaven is reserved for the angels, but as for the beings
referred to in Jude 6-7, they abandoned it.
Not only did these angels leave Heaven, they left it once-for-all.
The Greek verb apoleipo is in the aorist tense, thus indicating a oncefor-all act. By taking the action they did, these angels made a final and
irretrievable decision. They crossed the Rubicon. Their action, says
Kenneth Wuest, “was apostasy with a vengeance.”69
As to the specific sin of these angels, we are given the facts in
Jude 7. As in the case of Sodom and Gomorrah it was the sin of
“fornication” and “going after strange flesh.” “Strange” flesh means
flesh of a different kind (Greek heteros). To commit this particularly
repugnant sin, the angels had to abandon their own domain and
invade a realm that was divinely forbidden to them. Says Wuest:
“These angels transgressed the limits of their own natures to invade
a realm of created beings of a different nature.”70 Alford confirms:
“It was a departure from the appointed course of nature and seeking after that which is unnatural, to other flesh than that appointed
by God for the fulfillment of natural desire.” The mingling o f these
two orders of being, was contrary to what God had intended, and
summarily led to God’s greatest act of judgement ever enacted upon
the human race.
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[SUP]6 [/SUP]And the angels that did not keep within their original authority, but abandoned their proper sphere, he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for the Judgment of the Great Day. [SUP]7 [/SUP]And S’dom, ‘Amora and the surrounding cities, following a pattern like theirs, committing sexual sins and perversions, lie exposed as a warning of the everlasting fire awaiting those who must undergo punishment.
Jude 6-7 (AMP)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And angels who did not keep their own designated place of power, but abandoned their proper dwelling place, [these] He has kept in eternal chains under [the thick gloom of utter] darkness for the judgment of the great day, [SUP]7 [/SUP]just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the adjacent cities, since they in the same way as these angels indulged in gross immoral freedom and unnatural vice and sensual perversity. They are exhibited [in plain sight] as an example in undergoing the punishment of everlasting fire.
Seems to be plain that the sons of God are angels
[FONT="]Two New Testament passages shed further light on Genesis 6. They
are Jude 6-7 and 2 Peter 2:4. These verses indicate that at some point
in time a number of angels fell from their pristine state and proceeded
to commit a sexual sin that was both unusual and repugnant. Jude
6-7 states: “And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left
their Own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under
darkness unto the judgement of the great day. Even as Sodom and
Gomorrah and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh...”
These angels not only failed to keep their original dominion and
authority, but they “left their own habitation.” Habitation is a significant word: it means “dwelling place” or “heaven.” And the addition
of the Greek word idi (their own) means that they left their own private, personal, unique possession.68 Heaven was the private, personal
residence of the angels. It was not made for man but for the angels.
This is why the ultimate destination of the saints will not be Heaven
but the new and perfect Earth which God will create (Revelation
21:1-3). Heaven is reserved for the angels, but as for the beings
referred to in Jude 6-7, they abandoned it.
Not only did these angels leave Heaven, they left it once-for-all.
The Greek verb apoleipo is in the aorist tense, thus indicating a oncefor-all act. By taking the action they did, these angels made a final and
irretrievable decision. They crossed the Rubicon. Their action, says
Kenneth Wuest, “was apostasy with a vengeance.”69
As to the specific sin of these angels, we are given the facts in
Jude 7. As in the case of Sodom and Gomorrah it was the sin of
“fornication” and “going after strange flesh.” “Strange” flesh means
flesh of a different kind (Greek heteros). To commit this particularly
repugnant sin, the angels had to abandon their own domain and
invade a realm that was divinely forbidden to them. Says Wuest:
“These angels transgressed the limits of their own natures to invade
a realm of created beings of a different nature.”70 Alford confirms:
“It was a departure from the appointed course of nature and seeking after that which is unnatural, to other flesh than that appointed
by God for the fulfillment of natural desire.” The mingling o f these
two orders of being, was contrary to what God had intended, and
summarily led to God’s greatest act of judgement ever enacted upon
the human race.
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The angels are referred to as sons of God, but human believers are also called the sons of God, read Romans 8:14 as an example. It's wrong to conflate Genesis chapter 6 with Jude 6. Jude 7 compares the angel's abandonment of their holy position before God through their rebellion with the men of Sodom's abandonment of the natural function of the woman for each other. The point is that both groups have and will come under God's judgment for their separate transgressions. These angels (spirit beings) are now bound in chains in darkness, reserved for the day of judgment, and the men of Sodom and Gomorrah (their sins done in the flesh) were destroyed in judgment by fire.
That's what? Someone that agrees with you, look at the context, the comparison is judgement, not sex.
"Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward "destroyed those who did not believe."6 And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day—7 just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire."
What is the beginning of the context, what is in quotation marks. The angels were judged immediately for leaving their original place of authority, no where does it mention they were judges for sex. The --- keeps Sodom and Gomorrah in relation to the angels not the other way around, they are being compared to the angels, not the angels being compared to Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities--comma-- now a separate thought in relation to the thought before this one. Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them indulged in unnatural desirers, why are they brought into the context, because they were judged just like the angels.
Theses thoughts do not run together as what is trying to be shown, here's is an article on semicolons, colons and dashes, with commas in there as well. Since it seems as though everyone that wants to link the angels to Sodom, Gomorrah and the surrounding cities. I think reading this will help understand why the translates used these punctuation marks they are not there just because, they are there for a reason, it called grammar. So that the message is not read the way it should not be read, it's to make sure that you read the context so that it is not missed, but followed.
Jude writes why the angels were judged, because they left their first estate and when they did that they were reserved in eternal chains of gloomy darkness until the judgement, if you read what Pete says about them, they were cast into Taratus as well. This is nothing more than an eisegesis of the Scripture to fit what you already believe. This has nothing to do with Genesis 6, the angels here were reserved instantly and not for anything to do with Genesis 6.
I hate to be redundant but if all that is posted is redundant than I must respond in the same manor. Why won't anyone deal with the context of the storyline, because it does not come out to fallen angels in Genesis 6:2, 4, it does not fit the context of the Scripture before them or after them. That is why no one will do it, because if they did it would prove me right and they would have to change their minds as to what they believe which I do not get, why wouldn't you want to believe what the Bible says in context.
"Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward "destroyed those who did not believe."6 And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day—7 just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire."
What is the beginning of the context, what is in quotation marks. The angels were judged immediately for leaving their original place of authority, no where does it mention they were judges for sex. The --- keeps Sodom and Gomorrah in relation to the angels not the other way around, they are being compared to the angels, not the angels being compared to Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities--comma-- now a separate thought in relation to the thought before this one. Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them indulged in unnatural desirers, why are they brought into the context, because they were judged just like the angels.
Theses thoughts do not run together as what is trying to be shown, here's is an article on semicolons, colons and dashes, with commas in there as well. Since it seems as though everyone that wants to link the angels to Sodom, Gomorrah and the surrounding cities. I think reading this will help understand why the translates used these punctuation marks they are not there just because, they are there for a reason, it called grammar. So that the message is not read the way it should not be read, it's to make sure that you read the context so that it is not missed, but followed.
Jude writes why the angels were judged, because they left their first estate and when they did that they were reserved in eternal chains of gloomy darkness until the judgement, if you read what Pete says about them, they were cast into Taratus as well. This is nothing more than an eisegesis of the Scripture to fit what you already believe. This has nothing to do with Genesis 6, the angels here were reserved instantly and not for anything to do with Genesis 6.
I hate to be redundant but if all that is posted is redundant than I must respond in the same manor. Why won't anyone deal with the context of the storyline, because it does not come out to fallen angels in Genesis 6:2, 4, it does not fit the context of the Scripture before them or after them. That is why no one will do it, because if they did it would prove me right and they would have to change their minds as to what they believe which I do not get, why wouldn't you want to believe what the Bible says in context.
I can't speak for Johnny B but as far myself, I asked.
She is a tree of life to them that lay hold upon her: and happy is every one that retaineth her.Prov 3:18
So how do you answer your own question? Considering Job 32:3 then if you don't have an answer then at least have the decency to make something up.
She is a tree of life to them that lay hold upon her: and happy is every one that retaineth her.Prov 3:18
So how do you answer your own question? Considering Job 32:3 then if you don't have an answer then at least have the decency to make something up.
I can't speak for Johnny B but as far myself, I asked.
She is a tree of life to them that lay hold upon her: and happy is every one that retaineth her.Prov 3:18
So how do you answer your own question? Considering Job 32:3 then if you don't have an answer then at least have the decency to make something up.
She is a tree of life to them that lay hold upon her: and happy is every one that retaineth her.Prov 3:18
So how do you answer your own question? Considering Job 32:3 then if you don't have an answer then at least have the decency to make something up.
ROFL This is a thing Christians too all the time...Even in this forum..
Prov 3:13-18 Happy the person who finds wisdom,
the person who acquires understanding;
[SUP]14 [/SUP]for her profit exceeds that of silver,
gaining her is better than gold,
[SUP]15 [/SUP]she is more precious than pearls —
nothing you want can compare with her.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Long life is in her right hand,
riches and honor in her left.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Her ways are pleasant ways,
and all her paths are peace.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]She is a tree of life to those who grasp her;
whoever holds fast to her will be made happy.
I just took the entire thought instead of one verse. Why? That way we can get the entire thought. And this is such a good one! One must keep in mind though, that, even in the Word, Wisdom knowledge are not the same. Wisdom is the knowing what to do with knowledge..
as to answering my own question? The answer is 'I wish I knew how to get to know everything' On the other hand, the pursuit of knowledge is a blast!