Hebrews 6:4-6 - not at it seems...

[reneweddaybyday]

Therefore, since we have these promises, dear friends, let us purify ourselves from everything that contaminates body and spirit, perfecting holiness out of reverence for God.

Anyone care to comment on red verse above?

To separate what you have highlighted in red from what is not highlighted is improper. What you have highlighted appears to mean that we purify ourselves and we perfect holiness when that is not the case at all.

So start with what is not highlighted in red: Therefore, since we have these promises. What promises?

How about these promises:


2 Cor 5:17 - new creation in Christ


2 Cor 5:18 - reconciled to God by Jesus Christ


2 Cor 5:19 - the word of reconciliation is committed to us.


2 Cor 5:20 - we are ambassadors for Christ. (An ambassador is one who is authorized to speak as God’s representatives here on earth.)


2 Cor 5:21 - made the righteousness of God in Him.


2 Cor 6:2 - now is the time accepted; now is the day of salvation (He helps us in the day of salvation. The word "helped" there means to run to meet an urgent distress call to deliver help; quickly respond to an urgent need.)


2 Cor 6:4 - we are ministers of God.


Now let's start as 2 Cor 6:14 in order to understand what 2 Cor 7:1 means:


2 Corinthians 6:

14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

7:1 Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.


Go back to 2 Cor 5:18 where Paul says we have been given the ministry of reconciliation. In 2 Cor 5:19, we have been given the word of reconciliation. Then in 2 Cor 5:20, it says we are ambassadors for Christ. We represent Christ here on earth. The ministry we have been given is to bring others to Christ through the word of reconciliation He has given to us.


In 2 Cor 6:1 there is warning against receiving the grace of God in vain. Do not receive that which has been given to us in 2 Cor 5:18-21 to no avail. Now look at 2 Cor 6:3 Giving no offense in any thing, that the ministry be not blamed.


The context is the ministry. We've been given the ministry of reconciliation. We've been given the word of reconciliation in order to carry out the ministry given to us. We have been given the authority to represent Christ on earth.


Do not receive these things in vain, and do not give offense in anything that would bring blame upon the ministry.


Now 2 Cor 6:4-13 - Paul gives examples of how he has conducted himself in order to not bring blame upon the ministry and beseeches the believers to behave in the same manner, and then gives instructions:


2 Cor 6:14-15 - Do not yoke yourselves to unbelievers. This is not speaking of associating with unbelievers. it is talking about a believer binding him/herself to an unbeliever. Matt 11:29 tells us to take the Lord Jesus Christ’s yoke. Yoke ourselves to Him and Him alone.


What fellowship (partnership) does righteousness have with unrighteousness? None.


What communion does light have with darkness? None.


What concord (agreement) does Christ have with belial? None.


What part does a believer have with an unbeliever? None (for the believer is made a new creation).


In 2 Cor 6:16 we are told that we are the temple of the living God. God dwells in us and God walks in us.


And in 2 Cor 6:17 we are instructed to come out from among those things.


Be separate from the unbelievers, the unrighteous, those who continue to walk in darkness, those who are idolatrous.


Now we can read 2 Cor 7:1:

having therefore these promises what promises? The promises shown in 2 Cor 5:17 - 6:4.

let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit perfecting holiness in the fear of God.


How are we cleansed from all filthiness and how is holiness accomplished in us? We are cleansed as we separate from those things which bring defilement (yoking ourselves to unbelievers, fellowshipping with the unrighteous, communing with darkness, agreeing with Belial, ). Holiness is accomplished in us through God dwelling in us and walking in us as 2 Cor 6:16 tells us He will do. That is His promise to us. He will be our Father as He promises in 2 Cor 6:18.


No blame is brought to the ministry as we continue together in fellowship with Christ, with the Father, and with other believers.

 

[Grace777x70]

Sometimes we think some truths are new but in reality they are not. Here is someone back in the 1800's that had a supposedly "heretical" understanding of grace in the form of our sins being forgiven and those sins were continually being washed by the blood of Jesus because they were in Christ and Christ was in them.

I was reading this morning about a hymn writer from the 1800's called Frances Ridley Havergal. She wrote many hymns and knew Latin, French, German, Greek and Hebrew.

She also knew by heart the 4 gospels, epistles and the book of Revelation by the time she was 23 years old - yet she still lived in total defeat. She thought she had "great wickedness in her heart" - because of religious traditions taught to her.

It wasn't until she was reading in the Greek that the present tense was used for 1 John 1:7 "...His blood cleanseth us from all sin".

She realized all her sins were forgiven by the blood of Jesus and thus she believed it and experienced peace and joy in her life because of this truth.

Here is a direct QUOTE:

" Have we not been limiting 1 John 1:7 , by practically making it refer only to "remission of sins that are past" instead of taking the grand simplicity of "cleanseth from all sin"?

"All" is all; and as we may trust Him to cleanse us from the stain of past sins so we may trust Him to cleanse us from all present defilement; yes, all!

By refusing to take 1 John 1:7 in it's fullness, we will lose the fullness of it's application and power in our lives. It goes on cleansing , and I have no words to tell how my heart rejoices in it."

UNQUOTE:


http://www.dtminc.org/They Found Th...t For Today - 4 - Frances Ridley Havergal.pdf




She got the revelation that all her sins were forgiven because she was in Christ and in the Light and His blood continually cleansed her. She was able to walk free in Christ from that point on. Today she would be called a heretic and being in error by some for having this belief.

Believing the true gospel will change us as we grow in His grace.

Here is another book that talks about her life: Jennie Chappell, "Women Who Have Worked and Won: the life story of Mrs. Spurgeon, Mrs. Booth-Tucker, F.R. Havergal, and Ramabai," London: S.W. Partridge & Co. Ltd. 1904

 

[JohnTalmid]

Sometimes we think some truths are new but in reality they are not. Here is someone back in the 1800's that had a supposedly "heretical" understanding of grace in the form of our sins being forgiven and those sins were continually being washed by the blood of Jesus because they were in Christ and Christ was in them.

I was reading this morning about a hymn writer from the 1800's called Frances Ridley Havergal. She wrote many hymns and knew Latin, French, German, Greek and Hebrew.

She also knew by heart the 4 gospels, epistles and the book of Revelation by the time she was 23 years old - yet she still lived in total defeat. She thought she had "great wickedness in her heart" - because of religious traditions taught to her.

It wasn't until she was reading in the Greek that the present tense was used for 1 John 1:7 "...His blood cleanseth us from all sin".

She realized all her sins were forgiven by the blood of Jesus and thus she believed it and experienced peace and joy in her life because of this truth.

Here is a direct QUOTE:

" Have we not been limiting 1 John 1:7 , by practically making it refer only to "remission of sins that are past" instead of taking the grand simplicity of "cleanseth from all sin"?

"All" is all; and as we may trust Him to cleanse us from the stain of past sins so we may trust Him to cleanse us from all present defilement; yes, all!

By refusing to take 1 John 1:7 in it's fullness, we will lose the fullness of it's application and power in our lives. It goes on cleansing , and I have no words to tell how my heart rejoices in it."

UNQUOTE:


http://www.dtminc.org/They Found Th...t For Today - 4 - Frances Ridley Havergal.pdf




She got the revelation that all her sins were forgiven because she was in Christ and in the Light and His blood continually cleansed her. She was able to walk free in Christ from that point on. Today she would be called a heretic and being in error by some for having this belief.

Believing the true gospel will change us as we grow in His grace.

Here is another book that talks about her life: Jennie Chappell, "Women Who Have Worked and Won: the life story of Mrs. Spurgeon, Mrs. Booth-Tucker, F.R. Havergal, and Ramabai," London: S.W. Partridge & Co. Ltd. 1904

Amen let it be so...

 

[garee]

We have all sinned and we are washed by the blood of the lamb, amen

Yes continually cleansed by a “living sacrifice”. We walk by faith (Christ's) not after our experiences of loving a person as a sign a person has the Spirit of Christ.


The Jews demanded a sign (their own work experience) before they would believe .Experience is not the validater of Christ's spiritual truth. His perfect law (word) is).
2Co 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight

 

[Katy-follower]

I'm sure this will be rejected, but here goes anyway.


Galatians 3:1-9: "O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed among you as crucified? This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit (believers), are you now being made perfect (sanctified) by the flesh? Have you suffered so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain?

Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?— just as Abraham “believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham"


Galatians 5:1-6: "(Believers) Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.

You (non believers) have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. For we (because we) through the Spirit (believers) eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love"


Do you see the distinction made between believers and non believers here? Let's break it up (rightly dividing the word of truth?)

Galatians 3 - believers who are trying to be sanctified by the flesh

Galatians 5 - non believers trying to be justified by the flesh


In Galatians 3 the Galatians have begun in the Spirit (so they are born again believers) but they were listening to others telling them they had to maintain their salvation themselves.

In Galatians 5 clearly being addressed are non believers, because they are trying to be justified by the flesh. Then the distinction is made "FOR WE (because we) through the Spirit" which speaks of believers, so comparing believers with non believers here. Distinction is made.

"Fallen from grace" does not suggest losing salvation, since the context here is non believers who are trying to be justified by the law, so they are not saved to begin with, they are "attempting" to be saved by the law, so are not saved. They are clearly non believers.

An example - if someone keeps giving me their personal opinion on something, I could easily state to that person that they have fallen away from the bible, because they are not focusing on what the bible says. Someone who has fallen from grace in the context of the above is someone who has ignored the gospel of grace through faith in Christ alone. They have fallen from grace and instead embraced law. This is the context. This is why we should read the scriptures and not cut and paste bits we choose.


Simply put....

*Believers who are trying to maintain their salvation (claiming that salvation is conditional, that it can be lost, and that we must maintain it ourselves). The message given is to not become entangled again with the yoke of bondage which you have been freed from. You will lose your joy because you're not resting in what Christ has done for you. You are becoming entangled in the burdens that the lost are burdened with. Why become entangled again?!

*Non believers who reject grace and instead are trying to be saved by their works. These non believers have fallen away from grace and embraced the law.

Nothing about losing salvation here. You have to read it all to understand the messages being given here.

 

[Chris1975]

I'm sure this will be rejected, but here goes anyway.


Galatians 3:1-9: "O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed among you as crucified? This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit (believers), are you now being made perfect (sanctified) by the flesh? Have you suffered so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain?

Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?— just as Abraham “believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham"


Galatians 5:1-6: "(Believers) Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.

You (non believers) have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. For we (because we) through the Spirit (believers) eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love"


Do you see the distinction made between believers and non believers here? Let's break it up (rightly dividing the word of truth?)

Galatians 3 - believers who are trying to be sanctified by the flesh

Galatians 5 - non believers trying to be justified by the flesh


In Galatians 3 the Galatians have begun in the Spirit (so they are born again believers) but they were listening to others telling them they had to maintain their salvation themselves.

In Galatians 5 clearly being addressed are non believers, because they are trying to be justified by the flesh. Then the distinction is made "FOR WE (because we) through the Spirit" which speaks of believers, so comparing believers with non believers here. Distinction is made.

"Fallen from grace" does not suggest losing salvation, since the context here is non believers who are trying to be justified by the law, so they are not saved to begin with, they are "attempting" to be saved by the law, so are not saved. They are clearly non believers.

An example - if someone keeps giving me their personal opinion on something, I could easily state to that person that they have fallen away from the bible, because they are not focusing on what the bible says. Someone who has fallen from grace in the context of the above is someone who has ignored the gospel of grace through faith in Christ alone. They have fallen from grace and instead embraced law. This is the context. This is why we should read the scriptures and not cut and paste bits we choose.


Simply put....

*Believers who are trying to maintain their salvation (claiming that salvation is conditional, that it can be lost, and that we must maintain it ourselves). The message given is to not become entangled again with the yoke of bondage which you have been freed from. You will lose your joy because you're not resting in what Christ has done for you. You are becoming entangled in the burdens that the lost are burdened with. Why become entangled again?!

*Non believers who reject grace and instead are trying to be saved by their works. These non believers have fallen away from grace and embraced the law.

Nothing about losing salvation here. You have to read it all to understand the messages being given here.

Hebrews 3
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For who, having heard, rebelled? Indeed, was it not all who came out of Egypt, led by Moses? [SUP]17 [/SUP]Now with whom was He angry forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose corpses fell in the wilderness? [SUP]18 [/SUP]And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not obey? [SUP]19 [/SUP]So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.


Hebrews 4
4 Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it. [SUP]2 [/SUP]For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them,[SUP][a][/SUP] not being mixed with faith in those who heard it.

- It has always been about faith. Both Old Testament and New.
- the law could never save (NEVER). Only faith could save.
- the law is good.
- the law is to be upheld.
- The means of upholding is not by mans effort, it is by faith.
- I will say it again, the Law is to be upheld by faith (Romans 3v31)

Your Galatians passages above refer to trying to uphold the law by human effort, as opposed to upholding the law by faith.

 

[Chris1975]

Hebrews 6

Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, [SUP]2 [/SUP]of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And this we will[SUP][a][/SUP] do if God permits.

[SUP]4 [/SUP]For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, [SUP]5 [/SUP]and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, [SUP]6 [/SUP]if they fall away,[SUP][b][/SUP] to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.

The elementary principles of Christ, as listed here are:
- Repentance (from dead works). You see this? "dead works" (sins / actions which will lead to condemnation remaining)
- Faith towards God (believe in Jesus Christ)
- Doctrine of Baptisms (old man crucified with Christ / new man alive to Christ in righteousness)
- Laying on of Hands (receiving of the Holy Spirit)
- Resurrection of the Dead (Eternal life)
- Eternal Judgement (Hell)

Every Christian should have this base knowledge.

The call is then to go on to perfection (verse 1).

Do you want that a Christian should ignore any one of these above? Or say it isn't so? Say for example repentance is no longer necessary? Say hell doesn't exist? Baptism isn't important? Receiving of the Holy Spirit isn't necessary?

If these are elementary principles and there is dispute, how can you move on from milk to meat?

Now those who have become believers (don't deceive yourself - the persons described in verse 4 and 5 are believers - stop overlooking this to force fit or read your own beliefs into the word of God) - it is impossible for these once they have fallen away from the faith, to renew them again unto the Lord.

 

[Chris1975]

Hebrews 2

Therefore we must give the more earnest heed to the things we have heard, lest we drift away. [SUP]2 [/SUP]For if the word spoken through angels proved steadfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just reward, [SUP]3 [/SUP]how shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation, which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed to us by those who heard Him, [SUP]4 [/SUP]God also bearing witness both with signs and wonders, with various miracles, and gifts of the Holy Spirit, according to His own will?

- katy-follower, these described above are believers.
- see the link between Hebrews 2v4 and Hebrews 6v5 ?
- those who apostasize in Hebrews 6 (fall away from the faith) are the same as those who neglect their salvation in Hebrews 2.

 

[Grace777x70]

The call is to leave the elementary principles of the Messiah and rely on Christ instead that has already come. Remember the book is written to Jewish people - both believers and unbelievers.

The whole book of Hebrews is contrasting the Old Covenant with the New. Contrasting the priesthood of Aaron with Christ's. The contrasting of the better sacrifices in the blood of Jesus for His "one time for all sin" against the Jewish system.

The book of Hebrews was written before 70AD before the destruction of the temple system in 70AD.

Works-based belief systems always get the book of Hebrews backwards and try to make it look like people lose their salvation. It's complete nonsense. Jesus said that the Holy Spirit with be in you forever. John 14:16

Now everyone must answer for themselves. Is Jesus a liar?

Is Jesus lying to us when He said "It is My Father's will that I lose none that come to Me."

Is Jesus lying when He said " No one can pluck them out of My hand nor my Father's hand".

Is Jesus lying when He said. "Whosoever believes in Me shall have eternal life".

Is John lying to us when he said that the truth abides in us forever? The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of truth. Jesus is the truth.

2 John 1:1-2 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] The elder to the chosen lady and her children, whom I love in truth; and not only I, but also all who know the truth,

[SUP]2 [/SUP] for the sake of the truth which abides in us and will be with us forever:

1 John 5:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.


Everyone will have to ask themselves if Jesus is a liar. He is NOT a liar. I believe Him and thus preach and teach to rely on Christ's work of grace through faith so that we can walk in Him and the people of the world can see the love and grace our loving Father and Lord have for them.

 

[Chris1975]

The call is to leave the elementary principles of the Messiah and rely on Christ instead that has already come. Remember the book is written to Jewish people - both believers and unbelievers.

The whole book of Hebrews is contrasting the Old Covenant with the New. Contrasting the priesthood of Aaron with Christ's. The contrasting of the better sacrifices in the blood of Jesus for His "one time for all sin" against the Jewish system.

The book of Hebrews was written before 70AD before the destruction of the temple system in 70AD.

Works-based belief systems always get the book of Hebrews backwards and try to make it look like people lose their salvation. It's complete nonsense. Jesus said that the Holy Spirit with be in you forever. John 14:16

Now everyone must answer for themselves. Is Jesus a liar?

Is Jesus lying to us when He said "It is My Father's will that I lose none that come to Me."

Is Jesus lying when He said " No one can pluck them out of My hand nor my Father's hand".

Is Jesus lying when He said. "Whosoever believes in Me shall have eternal life".

Is John lying to us when he said that the truth abides in us forever? The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of truth. Jesus is the truth.

2 John 1:1-2 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] The elder to the chosen lady and her children, whom I love in truth; and not only I, but also all who know the truth,

[SUP]2 [/SUP] for the sake of the truth which abides in us and will be with us forever:

1 John 5:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.


Everyone will have to ask themselves if Jesus is a liar. He is NOT a liar. I believe Him and thus preach and teach to rely on Christ's work of grace through faith so that we can walk in Him and the people of the world can see the love and grace our loving Father and Lord have for them.

The book of Hebrews was written to the Church. The point that Israel and Gentile became One was at the cross. There is no different message after the cross:

Ephesians 2
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands— [SUP]12 [/SUP]that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. [SUP]13 [/SUP]But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, [SUP]15 [/SUP]having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, [SUP]16 [/SUP]and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. [SUP]17 [/SUP]And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near. [SUP]18 [/SUP]For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.

- so you are telling us all that Hebrews is only for Israel?
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- But you are then also happy with the other promises in Hebrew for yourself? not being a Jew?

 

[Grace777x70]

The book of Hebrews was written to the Church. The point that Israel and Gentile became One was at the cross. There is no different message after the cross:

Ephesians 2
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands— [SUP]12 [/SUP]that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. [SUP]13 [/SUP]But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, [SUP]15 [/SUP]having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, [SUP]16 [/SUP]and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. [SUP]17 [/SUP]And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near. [SUP]18 [/SUP]For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.

- so you are telling us all that Hebrews is only for Israel?
-
- But you are then also happy with the other promises in Hebrew for yourself? not being a Jew?

No - I am saying that the book of Hebrews addresses Israel's Jewish people in the transitional generation of which includes both Jewish believers in the Lord Jesus and non-believing Jewish people.

Audience relevance is paramount in determining the interpretation of a passage.

As believers in Christ we can learn much from the book of Hebrews and I love it.

 

[Grace777x70]

Here is a common mistake that some denominations have erroneously taught about the book of Hebrews when they don't take "audience relevance" into consideration.

Hebrews 10:26 can be a stumbling block if we don't take the context in which this passage was written.

Some times well intentioned people take Hebrews 10:26-29 out of context with the book of Hebrews.

Anyone can take an isolated scripture out of it's context and say anything they want. Here is an example in the scripture below - Ex 32:33. Anyone who has ever sinned is blotted out of God's book.

Exodus 32:33 (NASB)
[SUP]33 [/SUP] The LORD said to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.

This is truly stated in the OT but it is not the ultimate statement of truth. The work of Jesus's finished work on the cross trumps what is said in Ex. 32:33.

Obviously we need to view all scripture through the finished work of Christ. We don't take obscure verses and discount the abundance of clear scriptures on what our Lord has done for us.

Hebrews 10 is talking about Jewish people after hearing about Christ for the only sacrifice for sins and rejecting it to go back to the temple sacrifices for their sins.

Hebrews was written a few years before the temple system came crashing down in 70AD when it was trampled by the Roman army.

The "willful sinning" is after hearing the "knowledge" of the truth of Christ's sacrifice - those that go back to the temple sacrifices and do not receive Christ's work by faith - this is the wilful sinning being talked about - the rejection of Christ's sacrifice and blood for the forgiveness of all sins.

This is insulting the Spirit of grace. The Holy Spirit's work is to convict/convince/expose the world of their sin - which is unbelief in Christ's work. John 16:8-9

There is a vast difference between receiving the "knowledge" of the truth and "receiving the truth" which is Christ Himself.

 

[mailmandan]

Hebrews 3
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For who, having heard, rebelled? Indeed, was it not all who came out of Egypt, led by Moses? [SUP]17 [/SUP]Now with whom was He angry forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose corpses fell in the wilderness? [SUP]18 [/SUP]And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not obey? [SUP]19 [/SUP]So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

Hebrews 3:8-10 says, Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion, in the day of trial in the wilderness, Where your fathers tested Me, tried Me, And saw My works forty years. Therefore I was angry with that generation, And said, 'They always go astray in their heart, And they have not known My ways.' *Not descriptive of genuine believers. *There is no loss of salvation here. *Only a failure to receive it. Verses 18-19 - And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not obey? So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief. *Their disobedience was a manifestation of their unbelief. That explains the hardened heart. It took them in the opposite direction of God. Considered the truth for a time, then hardened heart and departing from God became their final answer. The Hebrews who failed to enter God's rest failed to obtain the grace of God (Hebrews 12:15).

Hebrews 4
4 Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it. [SUP]2 [/SUP]For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them,[SUP][a][/SUP] not being mixed with faith in those who heard it.

- It has always been about faith. Both Old Testament and New.
- the law could never save (NEVER). Only faith could save.
- the law is good.
- the law is to be upheld.
- The means of upholding is not by mans effort, it is by faith.
- I will say it again, the Law is to be upheld by faith (Romans 3v31)

Notice in Hebrews 4:2-3, For indeed the gospel was preached to US as well as to THEM; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. For we who have BELIEVED do enter that rest.. *Compare "did not enter God's rest because of UNBELIEF" with "we who HAVE BELIEVED do enter that rest." *No loss of salvation here.

Your Galatians passages above refer to trying to uphold the law by human effort, as opposed to upholding the law by faith.

Galatians 3:3 reads: Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh? The word "perfect" does not mean sinless, but complete, spiritual maturity. The middle voice implies "making yourselves perfect" by means of self effort. The present tense indicates that the action is in progress and that there is still time to correct the error.

If fallen away from grace in Galatians 5:4 means that believers lost their salvation, then why didn't Paul simply say that? Instead, in verse 12, Paul said - I have confidence in you, in the Lord, that you will have no other mind; but he who troubles you shall bear his judgment, whoever he is. In verse 12, Paul uses hyperbole, As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves! Genuine believers through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness through faith. That does not mean that believers (especially Jewish babes in Christ) cannot get side tracked by legalistic teachers, but those in the end looking to be justified by the law as their final answer are not genuine believers.

 

[Grace777x70]

Many times the writers of scripture use an editorial "we" when making statements. For example - "If we don't believe that Jesus died for our sins - we will be in unbelief and will not be united with Christ for eternity."

If we say that "we" say we have fellowship and yet are in darkness..."

How shall "we" escape if we neglect so great a salvation? Is this saying that the author has not received this salvation - No, he is making a generalized statement of truth.

Does this mean that the writer hasn't "believed". No, he is just including himself and "all people" into the statement that they need to receive Christ and all that He has done for us. Jesus is the Savior.

For Jewish people this truth is important as they think they are ok just because they are Jewish and God's people". Jesus said:

Matthew 3:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] and do not suppose that you can say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham for our father'; for I say to you that from these stones God is able to raise up children to Abraham.


We are safe in the Lord Jesus Christ. Preach and teach Christ so that Christians will have the proper nutrients to grow in the grace and love of God for them.

 

[mailmandan]

Hebrews 10:26 can be a stumbling block if we don't take the context in which this passage was written.

Some times well intentioned people take Hebrews 10:26-29 out of context with the book of Hebrews.

Amen! In regards to Hebrews 10:26, To "sin willfully" in the Greek carries the idea of deliberate intention that is habitual, which stems from rejecting Christ deliberately. This is CONTINUOUS ACTION - A MATTER OF PRACTICE. Now we don't walk along our daily life and "accidentally" fall into a pit called sin. We exercise our will but, the use of the participle clearly shows a CONTINUOUS ACTION. The unrighteous practice sin - (1 Corinthians 6:9-10); Galatians 5:19-21 not the righteous, who are born of God - (1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 John 3:9).

The reference to "the blood of the covenant that sanctified him" in v. 29 seems to be referring to a Christian, but this overlooks the fact that the word translated "sanctified" (which is a term often applied to Christians; is the verb form of the adjective "holy") which means "set apart," and doesn't necessarily refer to salvation. In 1 Corinthians 7:14, Paul uses it to specifically refer to non-Christians who are "sanctified" or "set apart" by their believing spouse. (And by this Paul does not mean that they are saved). A non-Christian can be "set apart" from other non-Christians and sinful things without experiencing salvation as Paul clearly explained. So the word "sanctified" means to be "set apart." If the word "sanctified" simply meant saved, then you would have to say that the Sabbath was saved (Genesis 2:3), the tabernacle was saved (Exodus 29:43), the Lord was saved (Leviticus 10:3), the Father saved the Son (John 10:36) and many other things that just do not line up with scripture.

In verse 39, the author sets up the contrast that makes it clear to me that he was referring to unbelievers, not saved people: But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul. Those who draw back to perdition do not believe to the saving of the soul and those who believe to the saving of the soul do not draw back to perdition. So after considering the context, it seems most likely that "he was sanctified" should be understood in the sense of someone who had been "set apart" or identified as an active participant in the Christian community of believers, but who has subsequently committed apostasy by renouncing his identification with other believers, by rejecting the "knowledge of the truth" that he had received, and by repudiating the work and the person of Christ himself. Such a person’s apostasy is thus evidence that his identification with the Christian community was only superficial and that he was not a genuine believer.

 

[garee]

In James 2:22, faith made perfect by works means bring to maturity, carry to the end, to complete like love in 1 John 4:18. It doesn't mean that Abraham was finally saved based on his works many years after Abraham believed God and it (faith, not works) was accounted to him for righteousness (Genesis 15:6; Romans 4:2-3). When Abraham performed the good work in Genesis 22; he fulfilled the expectations created by the pronouncement of his faith in Genesis 15:6.

We are saved by Christ’s work of faith as a labor of His love .Impossible to separate faith from work. For it is Christ who works in us to both will and perform his good pleasure as a imputed righteousness.

We thereofore can work out what he has freely given us, not work to gain. That would make the faith of Christ, of God without effect

I would offer knowing salvation is a work not separate of the belief or faith of God (work of faith)in James 2:22,

Yes Christ's work of faith that worked in Abraham not of his own self (human faith the imaginations of ones heart.)


Faith made perfect by works means the work of Christ’s faith worked in Abraham to both will and do His good purpose .It doesn't mean that Abraham was saved by his own work of faith, as if the faith came from Abraham (coming from the imagination of his own heart) the fallen or corrupted faith.(Dead faith, dead works)

When Abraham performed the good work in Genesis 22; he fulfilled the expectations created by the pronouncement of his faith in Genesis 15:6.

It fulfilled the faith of Christ as the work of Christ .Parables like that of Genesis 15:6, are shadows of the thing to come (Christ). It would be another example as to what the scriptures informs us .Without parables Christ spoke not, hiding the spiritual understanding (gospel message) unseen, from the lost.

Many do not accredit God as having faith or needing it a major misunderstanding which causes division between works and faith, attempting to put some difference between the two.

What God joins together Satan calls seperate

Faith is a work that cannot be separate from one another.

 

[Stephen63]

Amen! In regards to Hebrews 10:26, To "sin willfully" in the Greek carries the idea of deliberate intention that is habitual, which stems from rejecting Christ deliberately. This is CONTINUOUS ACTION - A MATTER OF PRACTICE. Now we don't walk along our daily life and "accidentally" fall into a pit called sin. We exercise our will but, the use of the participle clearly shows a CONTINUOUS ACTION. The unrighteous practice sin - (1 Corinthians 6:9-10); Galatians 5:19-21 not the righteous, who are born of God - (1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 John 3:9).

The reference to "the blood of the covenant that sanctified him" in v. 29 seems to be referring to a Christian, but this overlooks the fact that the word translated "sanctified" (which is a term often applied to Christians; is the verb form of the adjective "holy") which means "set apart," and doesn't necessarily refer to salvation. In 1 Corinthians 7:14, Paul uses it to specifically refer to non-Christians who are "sanctified" or "set apart" by their believing spouse. (And by this Paul does not mean that they are saved). A non-Christian can be "set apart" from other non-Christians and sinful things without experiencing salvation as Paul clearly explained. So the word "sanctified" means to be "set apart." If the word "sanctified" simply meant saved, then you would have to say that the Sabbath was saved (Genesis 2:3), the tabernacle was saved (Exodus 29:43), the Lord was saved (Leviticus 10:3), the Father saved the Son (John 10:36) and many other things that just do not line up with scripture.

In verse 39, the author sets up the contrast that makes it clear to me that he was referring to unbelievers, not saved people: But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul. Those who draw back to perdition do not believe to the saving of the soul and those who believe to the saving of the soul do not draw back to perdition. So after considering the context, it seems most likely that "he was sanctified" should be understood in the sense of someone who had been "set apart" or identified as an active participant in the Christian community of believers, but who has subsequently committed apostasy by renouncing his identification with other believers, by rejecting the "knowledge of the truth" that he had received, and by repudiating the work and the person of Christ himself. Such a person’s apostasy is thus evidence that his identification with the Christian community was only superficial and that he was not a genuine believer.

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[reneweddaybyday]

I did a Google search on "In verse 39, the author sets up the contrast that makes it clear to me that he was referring to unbelievers, not saved people: But we are not of ...", & found you have been duplicating this over & over since 2012!

So?

We need to be reminded of things over and over. See below (red mine):

I will summarize the subject as following:

1. If you learn simple facts in area you are familiar with you may retain without spaced repetition.
2. If you encode the information in many forms (associations, audio, image, the way the word looks) you may need few repetitions.
3. For new language or other unstructured data you may need seven repetitions or more with each repetition contributing less then previous.
4. If you do need spaced repetitions, it is best to used computer programs with flash cards.

How many repetitions for long term retention? - Key To Study

 

[Stephen63]

So?

We need to be reminded of things over and over. See below (red mine):

There's a biiig difference between loving reminders & mechanical repetitions that have no heart.

Six years worth of repetition on three different sites is more of establishing a reputation of knowledge instead of being caring..... sheesh.

 

[Chris1975]

There's a biiig difference between loving reminders & mechanical repetitions that have no heart.

Six years worth of repetition on three different sites is more of establishing a reputation of knowledge instead of being caring..... sheesh.

And the problem with copy pasting these repetitions is that they are no longer able to learn. Everything going forward is filtered through this "final authority on established knowledge" - their works, their essays.

Instead, what should happen instead is allow the Bible to be the established word, and everything filtered through this. If the Holy Spirit wants to show you a deeper understanding, it can only be done in going into the word itself (bible) and not dead interpretations.

They run a risk of becoming an old wine-skin. After a while it will not accept the new wine.