What A Sovereign God Cannot Do....

[notuptome]

Your hyper-dispensationialism is blinding you.

That is not a nice thing to say.

Remember, the Christ died for the church, not the nation of Israel.

This is poorly stated. Perhaps you are able to clarify?

Messiah was promised to Israel. The apostolic church was predominately of Israel.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[SovereignGrace]

False accusations are the norm for kg.

Sad, but true.

 

[SovereignGrace]

That is not a nice thing to say.

This is poorly stated. Perhaps you are able to clarify?

Messiah was promised to Israel. The apostolic church was predominately of Israel.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

The true Israel of the bible is the body of the Christ. The 'ekklesia'.

 

[SovereignGrace]

That is not a nice thing to say.

Well, my Pastor and most of the members, maybe all of them , hold to this teaching. They believe that during the 7 years trib, after the church and the Spirit are raptured out, ppl will be saved. No. None can be saved w/o the Spirit. That's why I said hyper-dispensationialism is blinding her.

 

[notuptome]

Jesus told the Jews “Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit."[Matthew 21:43] The church never replaced Israel, God cut them off because of their unbelief and Gentiles were grafted in. Notice, it was believing Gentiles, and not the church, that was grafted in. The church, the 'ekklesia', is the body of the Christ, not the nation of Israel. That's the thrust of Paul's argument in Romans 11.

You have taken this verse out of context. Jesus is telling the Pharisees that because they refused to accept Him as the promised Messiah they would not enter into the kingdom of God. Those who would accept Him would enter to the Jew first and then to the Gentile.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[notuptome]

Well, my Pastor and most of the members, maybe all of them , hold to this teaching. They believe that during the 7 years trib, after the church and the Spirit are raptured out, ppl will be saved. No. None can be saved w/o the Spirit. That's why I said hyper-dispensationialism is blinding her.

Defining it as hyper is making it a pejorative statement.

Well the church will be raptured out but the Holy Spirit will still be here just not in a holding back role. There will be 144,000 Jews preaching that their Messiah is Jesus the Christ. The majority of souls being saved in the tribulation will be of Israel as in Jewish believers.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[SovereignGrace]

You have taken this verse out of context. Jesus is telling the Pharisees that because they refused to accept Him as the promised Messiah they would not enter into the kingdom of God. Those who would accept Him would enter to the Jew first and then to the Gentile.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

They were cut off by unbelief. Remember, salvation is a Jewish institution first and foremost. We are called wild olive shoots, because the Jews are the natural olive shoot. But both are one in the true Vine, that Vine being the Christ.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Defining it as hyper is making it a pejorative statement.

Well the church will be raptured out but the Holy Spirit will still be here just not in a holding back role. There will be 144,000 Jews preaching that their Messiah is Jesus the Christ. The majority of souls being saved in the tribulation will be of Israel as in Jewish believers.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Well, I am not getting into an eschatology free-for-all as my view isn't firmly settled. If I did take a stance, it would be Chiliasm.

 

[psalm6819]

@notuptome, our Hero is Jesus, his hero is another man... That tells me a lot.

 

[notmyown]

@notuptome, our Hero is Jesus, his hero is another man... That tells me a lot.

as unnecessary to say as it is untrue.

i say this with respect for you:
you don't have to agree with our soteriology, but you also don't have to be so hostile.

 

[psalm6819]

Look at his own quote "on the left and apparently my hero"

I told the truth.

 

[notmyown]

Look at his own quote "on the left and apparently my hero"

I told the truth.

i don't want to argue with you; i love you.

i believe the "apparently" indicates sarcasm, tho.

 

[psalm6819]

i don't want to argue with you; i love you.

i believe the "apparently" indicates sarcasm, tho.

You melted my heart, while I understand that there will be differences in the body of Christ you may not understand what it is have others say that Jesus is only for a chosen few. It cheapens His sacrifice, like it wasn't enough for everyone.

That is the tragedy.

 

[SovereignGrace]

as unnecessary to say as it is untrue.

i say this with respect for you:
you don't have to agree with our soteriology, but you also don't have to be so hostile.

That's why she's on ignore. She is full of hostility. My sig was soaked in sarcasm and she took it to wrong way.

Sad she doesn't even understand the depths of her username.

 

[preacher4truth]

So she's going ad hominem again, I mean still? Now attacking over a signature? Wow!!!

Some people have nothing else to live for other than that?

 

[preacher4truth]

That's why she's on ignore. She is full of hostility. My sig was soaked in sarcasm and she took it to wrong way.

Sad she doesn't even understand the depths of her username.

She dogs others steps apparently. There are a lot of good brothers and sisters on here that evidence conversion, they give good dialog and show Christ in their lives. It's probably best to put the others who don't on ignore and move on. I've stopped responding to those people. What good is there in dialog with those who just make up what we believe and even outright lie about it? Can't get figs from thistles bro.

 

[SovereignGrace]

So she's going ad hominem again, I mean still? Now attacking over a signature? Wow!!!

Some people have nothing else to live for other than that?

Blessed be the Lord, who daily bears our burden, The God who is our salvation.Selah.[Psalm 68:19]

She rails against the God who chooses to save ppl in accordance to His good will and pleasure[Ephesians 1:9] and the verse she uses as her username refutes her belief. Lullz.

 

[preacher4truth]

Blessed be the Lord, who daily bears our burden, The God who is our salvation.Selah.[Psalm 68:19]

She rails against the God who chooses to save ppl in accordance to His good will and pleasure[Ephesians 1:9] and the verse she uses as her username refutes her belief. Lullz.

Yes, more of God's Word for His chosen.

 

[tourist]

Follow this thought to its logical conclusion. If the nation of Israel is God's chosen ppl, you and I are goners, seeing we are not part of that nation whatsoever.

I believe that there are others that get grafted into Israel. It has been made quite clear in the bible that Israel is God's chosen people.

 

[preacher4truth]

Blessed be the Lord, who daily bears our burden, The God who is our salvation.Selah.[Psalm 68:19]

She rails against the God who chooses to save ppl in accordance to His good will and pleasure[Ephesians 1:9] and the verse she uses as her username refutes her belief. Lullz.

Imagine mocking God's Sovereign election and calling it a lottery while mocking those who belong to Him along with it.

That is at the least sacrilege. Imagine after that praising the God of whom you disagree with concerning his electing grace of all who are saved? Something is severely amiss in that scenario.

Anyhow those words will be accounted for, and that's a fact.