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NoNameMcgee
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doesnt change a thing...
thats elihu speaking first of all
and 2nd of all before job was upright he mustve sinned
now God said he was perfect
so there is also a point he is without sin
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doesnt change a thing...
thats elihu speaking first of all
and 2nd of all before job was upright he mustve sinned
now God said he was perfect
so there is also a point he is without sin
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There has only been one sinless person that walked the earth and that was Jesus. Though Jobs sins wasnt discussed in great detail, God was well pleased with Job and blessed him greatly. Nothing has changed my perspective on the book of Job. He is still known for having great faithfulness to God and enduring the tribulations he faced.
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Ariel82
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Job 2
13 So they sat down with him on the ground seven days and seven nights, and no one spoke a word to him, for they saw that his grief was very great.
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Did anyone notice this verse? How many of you have friends who would sit on the ground next to you silent for 7 days and night because you are suffering?
13 So they sat down with him on the ground seven days and seven nights, and no one spoke a word to him, for they saw that his grief was very great.
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Did anyone notice this verse? How many of you have friends who would sit on the ground next to you silent for 7 days and night because you are suffering?
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Ariel82
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Perfect as mature spiritually is not the same as sinless. Just as blameless is not the same as sinless.
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Ariel82
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I dont believe Satan is God's sheep dog either. God didn't send Satan to attack Job. He just took his protection from Job. There's is a difference.
One says that the mayor had the mob boss kill your family and the other is that the mayor has the police dealing with something else when the mob boss killed your family.
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NoNameMcgee
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this is actually one of the first verses i ever discussed with my older brother
job was his favorite chapter when i first started reading
also the first chapter i read all the way through
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Would you as a loving parent "take " your protection from your own children in order to have someone put a disease on them and try to destroy their life? Of course not. We would throw people in jail for that kind of foul behavior - and yet we have been religiously taught that is exactly what God does.
God has designed the heart and mind of man to not trust in a being that would do such a thing as this behavior shows.
No, the truth is Job had already been under satan's power to do things to him and God actually "protected" him like a good parent would and said "Do not kill him."
But everyone is free to believe what they want in this area.
What Is the Behemoth?
https://www.thetrumpet.com/article/8533.20.137.0/science/what-is-the-behemoth
Why would God have created such an impressive animal?
And what lesson was He trying to teach Job—and for that matter, all of us—with it?
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WHO DID build the Great Pyramid at Gizeh, Egypt?
WHEN and WHY was it built? could Job have been present?
The Plain Truth: Did you know the builder of the Great Pyramid is identified in the Bible?
https://www.thetrumpet.com/article/8533.20.137.0/science/what-is-the-behemoth
Why would God have created such an impressive animal?
And what lesson was He trying to teach Job—and for that matter, all of us—with it?
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WHO DID build the Great Pyramid at Gizeh, Egypt?
WHEN and WHY was it built? could Job have been present?
The Plain Truth: Did you know the builder of the Great Pyramid is identified in the Bible?
Could Behemoth Have Been a Dinosaur?
https://answersingenesis.org/dinosaurs/could-behemoth-have-been-a-dinosaur
https://answersingenesis.org/dinosaurs/could-behemoth-have-been-a-dinosaur
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behemoth was definitely a dino in my opinion
but a land dino
and leviathan in my opinion was somethin like the lochness monster
but a land dino
and leviathan in my opinion was somethin like the lochness monster
Some are trying to peddle the nonsense that Job did some sin by having fear that caused all the bad stuff to happen to him and that God never wanted it to happen. That kind of scripture twisting is why I left the WOF teachers. Job was perfect for his time, of course no man born of woman is ever totally without sin except for Jesus. The overall moral of the story is, when everything we know about God is not making sense, just keep on believing in God because He will bring you through. Jobs three friends actually made sense, God blesses those who are faithful to Him and bad things happen to those who reject God. Job was clearly blessed of God because he was righteous, so since Job now seemed to be cursed of God, he must have done some terrible sin. Job was placed in a terrible position, everything he knew about God seemed to go in reverse, and also he was being accused of a sin that he knew he did not commit, not to mention all his physical pain and his wife telling him to give up. OK, Satan did all those things to Job, however God most definitely allowed Satan to do so, and not because Job sinned, but because Job was the most righteous man on the earth at that time and God had to prove a point to Satan and the angels...and the point was proven. To you WOF folks, God said to Satan, though you moved Me against him(Job) WITHOUT CAUSE. God took full responsibility for what happened to Job.
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God used this largest and most powerful of all land mammals to help crush Job’s self-righteousness.
God created this giant of mammals to humble people, who, like Job, let vanity swell their sense of
greatness and importance. God recorded the behemoth in Scripture for a reason. He wants us to
realize just how insignificant we are apart from Him. That is the lesson of Job’s behemoth.
“beast of Baluchistan”
God created this giant of mammals to humble people, who, like Job, let vanity swell their sense of
greatness and importance. God recorded the behemoth in Scripture for a reason. He wants us to
realize just how insignificant we are apart from Him. That is the lesson of Job’s behemoth.
“beast of Baluchistan”
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Yeah that's what I got too. God is still proving a point to the world before He will eventually destroys all who don't repent and turn back to Him.
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Ariel82
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You can word it however you want.
When God has a hedge of protection around us,its like we are living at home with Dad.
When we leave His house to get a job or go to college, we leave the protection of Dad's house and have to deal with the world.
Satan is still a mob boss.
God has taught us how to deal with Satan and the power and wisdom to stand against him and make him flee from us.
The question of Job is:
Do you still love God and praise Him while you are in this world and suffering without that hedge of protection, without physical health, with friends who accuse you of hidden sins and blame you for your suffering? Can you still love and praise God even if He allows such things to happen to you?
It sounds like you are saying you wouldn't love God if he allowed these things to happen?
***i didn't like the 1st article, will read the other 4 when I get a chance.
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Job was a man just like us..He put his pants on one leg at a time, just like anybody else...Unless he wore a dress like in the pictures...LOL Anyway... he had all of the same weaknesses. Of course he was a sinner, but he kept fessed up, which is why he was righteous before the Lord
Personally I don't think his friends sound like prosperity preachers at all, but rather, self righteous Christians you meet every day in churches everywhere
I do think though there is a link.
If I am right blessings in the O.T. came as a result of keeping the law. Be good and God will bless you.
If God isn't blessing you then you ain't being good.
Today it's twofold.
If you ain't being blessed you haven't got enough faith or you are sinning.
Just my simple thoughts.
I love the book of Job.
We get an insight into the mind of God and the grace of God.
The following verse I love even though it makes me shudder every time I read it
Job 40:7
“Brace yourself like a man, because I have some questions for you, and you must answer them.
To me it's like "oh dear I'm in trouble here what's coming now"
Seems ironic that the sons of God in Genesis 6 are considered as fallen angels, or demonic beings if you will, yet the timeline of Job really hasn't ever been established, so in reality the events portrayed in the Book of Job could be an reflection upon the days of referred unto in Genesis 6:2 or even Gen 11:5-7
5 And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
In fact the Book of Job tells of two accounts of the LORD bringing the sons of God
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. Job 1:6
2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.
Job 2:1
So if the sons of God presented themselves to the LORD then why did Satan come also among them, seems he was the only one begotten of the LORD thy God?
So if the LORD put Job in Satan's hand, (Job 2:6) And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, he is in thine hand; but save his life, then where was Satan during that time if not with Job?
Now when Job's three friends heard of all this evil that was come upon him, they came every one from his own place; Eliphaz the Temanite, and Bildad the Shuhite, and Zophar the Naamathite: for they had made an appointment together to come to mourn with him and to comfort him.
Job 2:11
So if it was Eliphaz, Bildad and Zophar, then who is Elihu?
32:1 So these three men ceased to answer Job, because he was righteous in his own eyes.
2 Then was kindled the wrath of Elihu the son of Barachel the Buzite, of the kindred of Ram: against Job was his wrath kindled, because he justified himself rather than God.
3 Also against his three friends was his wrath kindled, because they had found no answer, and yet had condemned Job.
Job 32:1-3
It seems he just appeared like a thief in the night amongst them.