mark of the beast

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mailmandan

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An interesting theory is that the mark of the beast will be a computer chip, surgically implanted under the skin, by a totalitarian government wishing to exercise total control over its citizens. "Right hand or forehead." Certain people may have been injured and lost their right hand or even their whole arm, so in that case, the mark would have to go in their forehead.

I could see the mark being something that is scanned (just as products in a store are scanned when you purchase them).

Cyborgs at work: employees getting implanted with microchips -
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/cyborgs-employees-getting-implanted-microchips-125759240.html
 
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can you tell me some more????? as i said in my first post i think it has something to do with disobedience as well because it says in rev14 those who didnt take the mark were those who kept the commandments of God and witness of Jesus.......... is there biblical evidence that its this stigma of sin because charagma means a literal thing like branding a cow........ but it could be figurative of course its interesting to ponder these things what else could i do with my time????
We walk by faith the faith of Christ, the faith of God (the eternal, unseen, spiritual) and not by sight, the temporal, according to the Prince of airway, the god of this world,

The prescription for rightly dividing the word of God as below must be used if we are to find the gospel message hid from the lost.

Matthew 13:34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:
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2Co 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

The mark used 7 times in those parables in Revelation is not a literal mark but is like the mark of Cain… a restless wanderer , a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth as a unbeliever who has not received the Sabbath rest on account of Christ’s work of faith, bringing gospel.


Gen 4:14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.


Revelation 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

When looking at parables that use the metaphor right hand or foreheads. We understand the Holy Spirit is referring to will or thoughts. For we wrestles not against flesh and blood as that seen but spirits and principalities as that not seen

Revelation 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

It’s the number of man (666) being influenced by the father of lies that the scripture refers to as antichrists. They are spirit messengers as fallen angels having no form they are not created as beast of the field as man is.(no DNA) They cannot take on the form of man but do use that which is outward as the things of men to deceive mankind.


The scripture defines what a antichrist or antichrists as in many are. Many that were there even prior to the first century sold out on the truth of Christ, as if Christ could be bought or sold. Esau sold the birthright for some soup. The gospel was not something he desired

And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: Rev 14:10

Drinking the wrath of God is simply saying they have not received salvation. Whosoever that has not the Spirit of Christ do not belong to Him. They would be the ones that have received the mark at birth as restless wanderers.


Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Same mark.

Revelation 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

Same mark

Revelation 16:2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.

Same mark used as a metaphor


Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought
miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Same mark used as a metaphor. Same lake of fire as a metaphor to symbolize men were under the wrath of God


Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Same mark according to that parable above. Showing Christ was not their head.
 
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I once found a Bible that mentioned something about the sum of the digits (equalling 666), so I worked up this little chart. The sum of the digits of three letters (F,O, and X) equal 6. "Fox" is a good description of Satan, isn't it? He is extremely subtle (Genesis 3:1) and tricks us into sinning.


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valiant

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The beast is the Roman Empire.

The mark of the beast was given to those who sacrificed to the emperor. They could use the guilds for trading, Those without the mark could not. Furthermore they could be held guilty of refusing emperor worship and put to death,
 

trofimus

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I once found a Bible that mentioned something about the sum of the digits (equalling 666), so I worked up this little chart. The sum of the digits of three letters (F,O, and X) equal 6. "Fox" is a good description of Satan, isn't it? He is extremely subtle (Genesis 3:1) and tricks us into sinning.


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1. Its not 666 (three sixes), its 600 60 and 6 (six hundred sixty and six).

2. Its not about the English alphabet, but about the Greek alphabet

3. its not about the Arabic numbers, its about the Greek numbers (which are also letters).

I am quite prepared to accept the explanation also in Latin, but really not in English/Arabic.
 
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can you tell me some more????? as i said in my first post i think it has something to do with disobedience as well because it says in rev14 those who didnt take the mark were those who kept the commandments of God and witness of Jesus.......... is there biblical evidence that its this stigma of sin because charagma means a literal thing like branding a cow........ but it could be figurative of course its interesting to ponder these things what else could i do with my time????
THE MARK OF GOD
1Ti 1:5Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
Let's list some scriptures which refer to this mark or seal.
Rev 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
Rev 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

Eze 9:4 And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheadsof the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof. Eze 9:5 And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: Eze 9:6 Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.
Exo 13:9 And it shall be for a sign unto thee upon thine hand, and for a memorial between thine eyes, that the LORD'S law may be in thy mouth: for with a strong hand hath the LORD brought thee out of Egypt.
Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. Deu 6:6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: Deu 6:7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. Deu 6:8 And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.

Luk 10:27And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. Luk 10:28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
Deu 11:18Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes.

The previous scriptures show that those who are marked by God hold fast to the two greatest commandments and thus abhor sin.

Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. Mat 22:38This is the first and great commandment. Mat 22:39And the secondislike unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Mat 22:40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
It is those who keep the commandments which shall inherit eternal life.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

WE ARE SLAVES TO WHOM WE OBEY
Both the Mark of God and the Mark of the Beast are stamps of servitude which denote whose master one serves.
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

WE CANNOT SERVE TWO MASTERS
The Bible clearly teaches that one cannot serve two masters. It is a teaching which is repeated many times throughout both the Old and New Testaments.
Jesus taught clearly that one's “eye” must be singly focused on the Lord. Carefully read this scripture.
Mat 6:22The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. Mat 6:23But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how greatisthat darkness! Mat 6:24No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon. The above scripture clearly shows Jesus teaching that one can have a light in them which in reality is darkness and that such a darkness is great indeed. This is a very prudent warning regarding self deception. We have to carefully examine ourselves making sure that we are not double-minded.
2Co 13:5Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
Here are some more scriptures which deal with being singly and double-minded.
Col 3:22 Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God: Col 3:23 And whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men;

Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Rom 13:11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed. Rom 13:12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light. Rom 13:13 Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying. Rom 13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.
Jas 1:6But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. Jas 1:7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. Jas 1:8A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

SERVING TWO MASTERS IS SPIRITUAL ADULTERY
Jer 3:1 They say, If a man put away his wife, and she go from him, and become another man's, shall he return unto her again? shall not that land be greatly polluted? but thou hast played the harlot with many lovers; yet return again to me, saith the LORD. Hos 2:5 For their mother hath played the harlot: she that conceived them hath done shamefully: for she said, I will go after my lovers, that give me my bread and my water, my wool and my flax, mine oil and my drink. Hos 7:8 Ephraim, he hath mixed himself among the people; Ephraim is a cake not turned. Hos 7:9 Strangers have devoured his strength, and he knoweth it not: yea, gray hairs are here and there upon him, yet he knoweth not.
Mat 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
Mat 16:4A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.
Jas 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.






 
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WE ARE TO DIE THAT WE MIGHT LIVE
Mat 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If anymanwill come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. Mat 16:25For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Gal 2:20I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. Heb 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. Heb 9:17For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
Rom 12:1I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

THE MARK OF THE BEAST
If the principle behind the Mark of God is spiritual as opposed to a literal mark when why would the principle behind the Mark of the Beast be any different?
“Forehead” in Revelation literally means “with an eye.”
Mat 6:22The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. Mat 6:23But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how greatisthat darkness!
Jesus taught that we must pluck out the sinful eye of the flesh and cut off the sinful hand of the flesh. What is He talking about? He is teaching that we are to by singly fixated upon the Lord.

Mat 5:28But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. Mat 5:29And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and castitfrom thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and notthatthy whole body should be cast into hell. Mat 5:30And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and castitfrom thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and notthatthy whole body should be cast into hell.
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water andofthe Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. Joh 3:6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Joh 3:7Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

We are saved by the washing of regeneration. It is through this process that our old nature is put off and we become a new creation in Christ.
Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Those who have the Mark of the Beast are those who have not plucked out the sinful eye, they have not crucified the old man and thus they are not truly born again. They do not love God with all their soul, strength and mind.
The Mark of the Beast is the mark of the man who follows after the flesh. Scripture bears out that the Mark of God is that of the man who follows after the Spirit. There are only two ways a man can go illustrated in Scripture, one way that leads to life and another way that leads to death.
Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds: Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: Rom 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
 
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Definitions
Image – G1504 – eikōn [Strongs] From G1503; a likeness, that is, (literally) statue, profile, or (figuratively) representation, resemblance: - image. [Vines] eikon denotes "an image;" the word involves the two ideas of representation and manifestation.

Life – G4151 - pneuma
[Strongs] From G4154; a current of air, that is, breath (blast) or a breeze; by analogy or figuratively a spirit, that is, (human) the rational soul, (by implication) vitalprinciple, mental disposition, etc., or (superhuman) an angel, daemon, or (divine) God, Christ’s spirit, the Holy spirit: - ghost, life, spirit (-ual, -ually), mind. [Vines] pnuema denotes “spirit," also denotes "breath,"
Receive – G1325 – didōmi
[Strongs] A prolonged form of a primary verb (which is used as an alternate in most of the tenses); to give (used in a very wide application, properly or by implication, literally or figuratively; greatly modified by the connection): - adventure, bestow, bring forth, commit, deliver (up), give, grant, hinder, make, minister, number, offer, have power, put, receive, set, shew, smite (+ with the hand), strike (+ with the palm of the hand), suffer, take, utter, yield.
[Vines] In Rev 13:16 didomi is translated "to receive" (marg., "to give them"), RV, "(that) there be given (them)."

Mark – G5480 – Charagma
[Strongs] - From the same as G5482; a scratch or etching, that is, stamp (as a badge of servitude), or sculptured figure (statue): - graven, mark.
[Vines] - denotes "a stamp, impress," translated "mark" in Rev_13:16,17, etc.

Forehead – G3359 – Metopon
[Strongs] - ōps (the face); the forehead (as opposite the countenance): - forehead.
[Vines] - metapon from meta, "with," and ops, "an eye," occurs only in the Apocalypse, Rev 7:3; Rev 9:4; Rev 13:16; Rev 14:1,9; Rev 17:5; Rev 20:4; Rev 22:4.

Six Hundred Threescore and Six – G5516 - chi xi stigma
[Strongs] The 22nd, 14th and an obsolete letter (G4742 as a cross) of the Greek alphabet (intermediate between the 5th and 6th), used as numbers; denoting respectively 600, 60 and 6; 666 as a numeral: - six hundred threescore and six.
Stigma (Greek) - G4742
[Strongs] From a primary word (to “stick”, that is, prick); a mark incised or punched (for recognition of ownership), that is, (figuratively) scar of service: - mark.


Man – G5100 – Tis
[Strongs] An enclitic indefinite pronoun; some or any person or object: - a (kind of), any (man, thing, thing at all), certain (thing), divers, he (every) man, one (X thing), ought, + partly, some (man, -body, -thing, -what), (+ that no-) thing, what (-soever), X wherewith, whom [-soever], whose ([-soever]).

Man – G444 – Anthropos
[Strongs] From G435 and (the countenance; from G3700); manfaced, that is, a human being: - certain, man. [Thayers]from (435) and ops (the countenance, from (3700)); man-faced, i.e. a human being
Note: Anthropos in the Greek is never used to identify a certain man with an identity. The exception often used is Mathew 9:9 yet in this passage the author has added the name Matthew while the narrative is referring to Jesus simply seeing a certain man without identity.
Mat 9:9 And as Jesus passed forth from thence, he saw a man, named Matthew, sitting at the receipt of custom: and he saith unto him, Follow me. And he arose, and followed him. References:-

Walter Bauers Greek Lexicon

http://www.scribd.com/doc/52343287/Greek-Lexicon

Thayers Greek Lexicon (I took an image of the relevant page from my version as I can no longer find the PDF online).

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The Number of a Man
“Six hundred threescore and six” or “666” in the Greek is “chi xi stigma.” It is of interest that the word stigma, like mark, denotes a badge of servitude or ownership.

As noted in the definitions, the word “anthropos” in Revelelation 13:18 is referring to mankind as opposed to a particular individual. If the “man” in question were to be a particular individual then the Greek word “Tis” would have been used. Anthropos is always used when it is referring to a man in the general sense of the term and never for a particular individual (see the Thayers reference above). Thus the “Six hundred threescore and six as the number of a man," appears to me, to be in the context of mankind and not in relation to a particular individual. This conclusion also fits well with the context of scripture in regards to the teachings about the flesh versus the spirit.


God's Image
Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
1Co 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. 1Co 15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 1Co 15:49And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

2Co 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord,are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
2Co 4:2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God. 2Co 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 2Co 4:4 In whomthe god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. 2Co 4:5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake. 2Co 4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. 2Co 4:7But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

Col 3:5Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: Col 3:6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience: Col 3:7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them. Col 3:8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. Col 3:9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds; Col 3:10And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: Col 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
 
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Second Beast and the Image
The second beast has two horns which appear as a lamb yet it speaks the language of the dragon. This beast is able to deceive those on the earth by calling fire down from heaven in the sight of men, among other miracles. This beast also causes the people to make an image and is able to give life to this image. The image is a likeness or resemblance of Christ which is created within the mind of the carnal man. To the natural man it looks like the real thing because such cannot discern due to being in bondage to the spirit of error (1Jn 4:6). This image is Satan's absolute masterpiece and it fools the whole world, even those who deny the Bible. Through this false Jesus the Second Beast is able to get the entire world to worship the Dragon, both those that profess a belief in the Bible and those that do not (everyone is serving the flesh due to the mark engrained in the mind).

Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego refused to down down to the false image in the book of Daniel and had to endure fire. Yet it was through this fire that they walked with the Son of Man. Is it any different for those whom truly follow God today?

Dan 3:14 Nebuchadnezzar spake and said unto them, Is it true, O Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, do not ye serve my gods, nor worship the golden image which I have set up? Dan 3:18 But if not, be it known unto thee, O king, that we will not serve thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up. Dan 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.
Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, Rom 1:23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Rom 1:25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them


The Falling Away and the Strong Delusion

Falling Away – G646 - apostasia Feminine of the same as G647; defection from truth (properly the state), (“apostasy”): - falling away, forsake.

2Th 2:3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away(G646) first, and that man(G444) of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

“Anthropos” is used for man in the above scripture as opposed to “Tis.” Paul was saying that the falling away would occur and that the man of sin would be revealed. The falling away from the truth or apostasy has already occurred because, throughout the world, the Jesus that is mostly being preached is a Jesus whom accepts those whom are double minded, whom have not forsaken their sin. A gospel message has been very carefully crafted which teaches that men are covered in their ongoing rebellion and thus appear as righteous before God, certainly a retelling of "ye can sin and not surely die.

The man of sin has been revealed in those whom sit in their own temple and sit as their own god. The god of self. The God of self only sits upon the throne of those whom have not crucified themselves to sin in repentance, thus the sin never stops because the self service has never ceased. The grain of wheat in this case simply has not died (Joh 12:24).

We are the temple of God.

2Co 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 2Co 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 2Co 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 2Co 6:17Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing;and I will receive you,
The above scripture clearly lays out the two conditions of coming out and touching not the unclean thing as being required for one to be received by God. This is the complete opposite to the saved in sins message being preached almost universally today. Today the Gospel is preached in reverse where people a falsely taught that God receives them BEFORE they come out from among them and that they still continue to touch the unclean thing. Sanctification in the modern church system is sinning less and less or rebelling less and less, the false convert still remains a servant of sin.

Paul taught that if we defile the temple we will be destroyed.

1Co 3:16Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 1Co 3:17If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

The mystery of iniquity is an interesting subject.

2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

Jesus calls the many, who profess Jesus Christ as Lord yet are shockingly rejected at the judgment, "workers of iniquity."

The mystery of iniquity is a reference to the powers of darkness and the mystery which surrounds them. The powers of darkness are the forces which operate unseen in the spiritual realm and are made manifest through man in the natural (Eph 6:12).
It is important to realise that evil is a mystery because it can only function through deception, in other words a darkened mind which cannot perceive the way things actually are. Evil is always destructive and ultimately serves to the benefit of no-one save as an example of what not ought be done (hence grace abounding, Rom 5:20). It is only through delusion that an individual willfully engages in evil (for the temporal is exchanged for the eternal which is illogical). It is the powers of darkness which lie at the root of iniquity.
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

One way that these forces influence men is through the philosophy long taught by the ancient mystery religion (Mystery Schools) out of which systems such as Neo-Platonism and Gnosticism developed. It is interesting to note that the idea behind the Greek word used for "mystery" in the biblical text actually denotes the silence imposed through the initiation which occurred in the various schools of the ancient mystery religion. In other words a secret or veiled philosophy.

Mystery – G3466 – mustērion [Strongs]
[Strongs]From a derivative of μύω muō (to shut the mouth); a secret or “mystery” (through the idea of silence imposed by initiation into religious rites): - mystery.

The powers of darkness have been able to thoroughly pervert Christianity by introducing pagan philosophies into the early church which today stand as the root upon which much false theology is built. In the early Church we find the Spirit of Truth battling against these false teachings through the witness of the apostles and the rest of the early Christians. That which letteth (hold down) in 2Thess2:7 was the Spirit of Truth possessed by those who were contending for the faith. As time progressed and early Christianity became corrupted this witness of the Holy Spirit decreased which consequently allowed the increase of all manner of perversions and false doctrine.

Christianity today has become so corrupted that the Spirit of Truth has been, for all practical purposes, completely removed which is why the delusion works so effectually in the minds of the people.

Rome began to introduce many corrupt teachings into the Church once its ecclesiastical structure was established. Even though the reformers, such as Martin Luther, cast off many of the traditions of Catholicism and rejected the authority of the Pope, they still built their foundation upon earlier corruptions such as the dualism (Original Sin) which entered orthodox church teaching primarily through the work of Augustine of Hippo back in the fourth century. They also invented new corruptions like that of Substitution theology. These corruptions have been very effective in making null and void many of the very simple teachings that Jesus taught.

2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 2Th 2:9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Notice that it is God that sends this delusion and the reason He sends it is because the people did not receive a love of the truth. It is not enough to simply know truth, the truth must be loved. I believe God send delusion simply by giving people over to a reprobate mind.

Judgment begins at the house of God.

1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 1Pe 4:18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
 
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Buying and Selling

Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
You do not want to be buying and selling when the Lord returns.
Mat 13:44Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field. Mat 13:45Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls: Mat 13:46Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.
We must buy that gold that is refined in the fire that we may be able to see and thus able to be clothed in white which represents purity of heart.

Rev 3:14And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; Rev 3:15I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. Rev 3:16So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. Rev 3:17Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: Rev 3:18I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, andthatthe shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. Rev 3:19As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

The foolish virgins had no light and were out buying when the Lord came. The Lord never knew them and they were workers of iniquity (Mat 7:23).

How do we buy the oil for our lamps? Simple, we forsake our sin, in both body and mind, and we yield back to the Lord, who then empowers us to live a holy life. Our lamps burn bright when this occurs. We no longer need to go and buy the oil as we have an abundance.

Jesus taught this principle in both the parable of the man who sold everything he had in order purchase the field with the treasure, and also in the parable of the one who sold all that in order to purchase the pearl of great price. In these parables they made their transaction. They had given up the world, they had given up that which was temporal in exchange for that which is eternal. They had made their transaction in repentance. They had tasted the prize and simply needed to hold it close and endure to the end lest they lose it.

We need to make that transaction while we are still in the day. We do not want to be trying to make it when it is too late.


Mat 25:8And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out. Mat 25:9But the wise answered, saying,Not so;lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. Mat 25:10And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. Mat 25:11Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. Mat 25:12But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
Mat 7:22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? Mat 7:23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Having made such a transaction, ff one is to preach true repentance and faith today, ie. that one must forsake all known sin through a broken godly sorrow BEFORE forgiveness is granted, they will simply not be welcome to engage (buy and sell) in the church system. If one is to contend earnestly that all willful sin must stop once and for all as a condition for forgiveness, that one will not be welcome to theologically engage in the church system. Look for example how such a message goes down on this very forum, very few agree that the sin has to stop, the vast majority argue in favour of the sin never stopping. This forum is just a micro reflection of the common mentality that abounds in professing Christianity today.

To expose the false teachings of being born a sinner as well as to expose substitution will mark an individual as a heretic to be avoided in the minds of most people. Remember that John the Baptist was one who preached in the wilderness, his message would not have been welcome in the Synagogue. It is the same today. The real Christian's are out in the wilderness contending for repentance proven by deeds and a faith that works by love., dying WITH Christ and being raised up WITH Christ to newness of life.

God is calling people out of the church system and its false doctrines. Heed the warnings of Jesus and do what He plainly taught that one must do.

Go and sin no more!
 
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Summary and Conclusion
My understanding of Revelation 13:11-18 is that it is speaking of a false religious system that worships another Jesus and dispenses a false salvation as a gift (the mark is received). There is also a false holy spirit (fire coming down from Heaven, Acts 2:1-4) and many lying signs and wonders. Those who refuse to bow down and worship this false Jesus are killed (deprived of eternal life/cast out/labeled heretics) and cannot buy and sell (participate) in the false religious system.
The Second Beast consists of a multitude of false teachers, who through their theology, cause the whole world to worship the beast (self worship having never come to a real repentance). Thus those within and without the apostate church are worshiping the beast. The false gospel serves to misrepresent God and thus acts as a neutralising agent even to the minds of the atheist and agnostic.

In Jeremiah's day the religious system was apostate, blind and deceived. In Jesus' day the religious system was apostate, blind and deceived. Today why would it be any different? Ask yourself that question. WHY WOULD IT BE ANY DIFFERENT TODAY?

Remember there are only two ways. One road to life and one road to death. One road is narrow and difficult and it takes a lot of effort to endure, whilst the other is wide and easy and takes little thought or consideration. Only a very few will find the narrow way and even fewer will be able to endure it to the end.

Which road are you on? Which mark do you have?

Question
Luk 13:23 Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,
Answer
Luk 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
Luk 13:25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
Luk 13:26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.
Luk 13:27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
2Ti_2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
 

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Summary and Conclusion
My understanding of Revelation 13:11-18 is that it is speaking of a false religious system that worships another Jesus and dispenses a false salvation as a gift (the mark is received). There is also a false holy spirit (fire coming down from Heaven, Acts 2:1-4) and many lying signs and wonders. Those who refuse to bow down and worship this false Jesus are killed (deprived of eternal life/cast out/labeled heretics) and cannot buy and sell (participate) in the false religious system.
The Second Beast consists of a multitude of false teachers, who through their theology, cause the whole world to worship the beast (self worship having never come to a real repentance). Thus those within and without the apostate church are worshiping the beast. The false gospel serves to misrepresent God and thus acts as a neutralising agent even to the minds of the atheist and agnostic.

In Jeremiah's day the religious system was apostate, blind and deceived. In Jesus' day the religious system was apostate, blind and deceived. Today why would it be any different? Ask yourself that question. WHY WOULD IT BE ANY DIFFERENT TODAY?

Remember there are only two ways. One road to life and one road to death. One road is narrow and difficult and it takes a lot of effort to endure, whilst the other is wide and easy and takes little thought or consideration. Only a very few will find the narrow way and even fewer will be able to endure it to the end.

Which road are you on? Which mark do you have?

Question
Luk 13:23 Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,
Answer
Luk 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
Luk 13:25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
Luk 13:26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.
Luk 13:27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
2Ti_2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
Thank goodness you are finished.
 

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Hello Skinski7,

Summary and Conclusion
My understanding of Revelation 13:11-18 is that it is speaking of a false religious system that worships another Jesus and dispenses a false salvation as a gift (the mark is received). There is also a false holy spirit (fire coming down from Heaven, Acts 2:1-4) and many lying signs and wonders. Those who refuse to bow down and worship this false Jesus are killed (deprived of eternal life/cast out/labeled heretics) and cannot buy and sell (participate) in the false religious system.

The Second Beast consists of a multitude of false teachers, who through their theology, cause the whole world to worship the beast (self worship having never come to a real repentance). Thus those within and without the apostate church are worshiping the beast. The false gospel serves to misrepresent God and thus acts as a neutralizing agent even to the minds of the atheist and agnostic.
You are correct in that there will be an apostate church, of which the second beast, also referred to as the false prophet, which will be one of the future popes. He will be the one who will be performing those counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders and that for the purpose of giving authentication to the first beast who will be proclaiming to be God.

But make no mistake, the first beast (antichrist) and the second beast (false prophet) will be two literal persons.

"And the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet, the one having done the signs before him, by which he deceived those having received the mark of the beast and those worshiping its image. The two of them were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone."

The beast will be represented by a one world government, as well as a one world ruler with ten other kings below him who will give all of their power and authority to him. There will be a one world religion with the false prophet residing over it. He will be performing those miracles, signs and wonders for the purpose of deceiving the inhabitants of the earth by giving credibility to the first beast/antichrist who will stand in the Jewish temple proclaiming himself to be God. We can deduce from the scripture above, that they are individual persons which states that "the two of them were captured," which would in infer two individuals. Further proof of them being actual persons is that the scripture states that they are "cast alive into the lake of fire." That word "alive" would infer a living being.

In addition, the mark of the beast will be/is a literal mark that will go in the hand or forehead. The technology for the mark is already here, which will replace card swiping and bank cell phone apps for the purpose of electronic crediting and debiting. We will soon begin to see people using it as an alternative to the methods of electronic crediting and debiting, which is buying and selling. To see the technology for the coming mark, just click on the link below:


i put a chip in my hand to replace my wallet - Bing video
 
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Buying and Selling

Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
You do not want to be buying and selling when the Lord returns.
Mat 13:44Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field. Mat 13:45Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls: Mat 13:46Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.
We must buy that gold that is refined in the fire that we may be able to see and thus able to be clothed in white which represents purity of heart.

Rev 3:14And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; Rev 3:15I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. Rev 3:16So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. Rev 3:17Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: Rev 3:18I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, andthatthe shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. Rev 3:19As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

The foolish virgins had no light and were out buying when the Lord came. The Lord never knew them and they were workers of iniquity (Mat 7:23).

How do we buy the oil for our lamps? Simple, we forsake our sin, in both body and mind, and we yield back to the Lord, who then empowers us to live a holy life. Our lamps burn bright when this occurs. We no longer need to go and buy the oil as we have an abundance.

Jesus taught this principle in both the parable of the man who sold everything he had in order purchase the field with the treasure, and also in the parable of the one who sold all that in order to purchase the pearl of great price. In these parables they made their transaction. They had given up the world, they had given up that which was temporal in exchange for that which is eternal. They had made their transaction in repentance. They had tasted the prize and simply needed to hold it close and endure to the end lest they lose it.

We need to make that transaction while we are still in the day. We do not want to be trying to make it when it is too late.


Mat 25:8And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out. Mat 25:9But the wise answered, saying,Not so;lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. Mat 25:10And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. Mat 25:11Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. Mat 25:12But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
Mat 7:22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? Mat 7:23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Having made such a transaction, ff one is to preach true repentance and faith today, ie. that one must forsake all known sin through a broken godly sorrow BEFORE forgiveness is granted, they will simply not be welcome to engage (buy and sell) in the church system. If one is to contend earnestly that all willful sin must stop once and for all as a condition for forgiveness, that one will not be welcome to theologically engage in the church system. Look for example how such a message goes down on this very forum, very few agree that the sin has to stop, the vast majority argue in favour of the sin never stopping. This forum is just a micro reflection of the common mentality that abounds in professing Christianity today.

To expose the false teachings of being born a sinner as well as to expose substitution will mark an individual as a heretic to be avoided in the minds of most people. Remember that John the Baptist was one who preached in the wilderness, his message would not have been welcome in the Synagogue. It is the same today. The real Christian's are out in the wilderness contending for repentance proven by deeds and a faith that works by love., dying WITH Christ and being raised up WITH Christ to newness of life.

God is calling people out of the church system and its false doctrines. Heed the warnings of Jesus and do what He plainly taught that one must do.

Go and sin no more!
I would agree we should compare the spiritual to the spiritual, called the law of faith. It’s not about buying groceries to feed these bodies of death or what kind of car. But is about buying spiritual truth and not selling out God

Pro 23:23 Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding

Esau who walked by sight sold his birth responsibility for a cup of soup not mixing faith in what he tasted. Like those in Hebrews 6. Esua had to see before he tasted to show he was not walking by faith as Jacob was



Jacob in whom the seed Christ (spiritual) tasted and saw it was good…. the better thing that accompanies salvation .The other group in Hebrew 6

Psalms 34:8 O taste and see that the LORD is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him.
 
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I once found a Bible that mentioned something about the sum of the digits (equalling 666), so I worked up this little chart. The sum of the digits of three letters (F,O, and X) equal 6. "Fox" is a good description of Satan, isn't it? He is extremely subtle (Genesis 3:1) and tricks us into sinning.


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I am not familiar with that kind of prescription for rightly dividing the word of God. I think when we compare the spiritual, not seen, to the spiritual not seen(faith to faith) he spells out who the antichrists plural are in regard the number of natural man (666) "called a beast of the field". All creatures created after the rudiments of this world are used to represent the corrupted flesh of this corrupted earth and heaven. Satan as the father of lies, he was not created of the dust of the field as if we did wrestle against flesh and blood and not lying spirits and principalities

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Gen 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

Satan's kind, as a lying spirit is not called a beast of the earth

Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number ( not the father of lies, number) is Six hundred threescore and six.

If any number I would offer the number 13 would relate to that spirit being (no DNA) ,the serpent
 
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Ahwatukee

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I would agree we should compare the spiritual to the spiritual, called the law of faith. It’s not about buying groceries to feed these bodies of death or what kind of car. But is about buying spiritual truth and not selling out God

Sorry Garee, but the scripture is clear that without the mark no one will able to buy or sell. To put that into perspective, the world has been in the process of electronic crediting and debiting of ones bank account. That technology for the chip implant is going to be used for exactly that.

You guys amaze me in that, the word of God states that the mark will go into the hand or the forehead and we currently have people being implanted under the skin of the hand and you say, "Nope, that's not it!" Scripture states that unless the anyone had the mark, that they would not be able to buy or sell and we currently have People being implanted with chips under the skin of the hand and are using it to make purchases and you guys say "Nope, that's not it." You're blind!

You guys always attempt to dilute the truth by trying to spiritualize something that is meant to be taken literally. We have all of the criteria for the scripture as being literal and you guys don't get it.

Soon, you are going to see people using this implant, which I'm sure will evolve into something smaller and more reliable. And it will begin to be used along side of cash, checks, cards and cell phone bank apps. As time goes on and we move closer to the time of that last seven years, the technology for this mark will be ready to go and people will have already been using it.

We are going to see cash and checks continue to be phased out, with the world using electronic crediting and debiting more and more. Eventually the device in the hand and forehead will replace card swiping and cell phone bank apps. leaving only that mark to be able to credit and debit ones bank account.

By making the rest of the methods of buying and selling obsolete and the mark the only way to credit and debit ones bank account, it will force the individual to make a choice of receiving the mark or rejecting it. This mark will be that proverbial drawing of the line in the sand. From that point on, there will be no gray area. For anyone who receives the mark will seal their fate, being completely separated from God and will suffer the wrath of God and their place will be the lake of fire. Those who don't receive it will be those great tribulation saints who will keep their testimony of Jesus and the word of God and who will not worship the beast, his image nor receive his mark.




Sweden, Denmark and her sister countries are already pretty much cashless, using only electronic crediting and debiting, with the rest of the world to follow.

So, stop with your spiritual mumbo jumbo and look at what is going on in the literal sense. For the prophecy regarding the mark is being literally fulfilled before your very eyes, yet you can't see it!
 

notbythesword

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If someone is to cause “everyone” to receive the mark, it would first mean that the entirety of the world would have to be ruled by this individual (or at least who this individual represents). All nations would have to either submit or be subdued under this authority. This is not simply because no one is allowed to buy and sell without the mark, but also because Revelation 20:4 shows that the ones who dared to testify about Jesus (in the time this mark is mandated) and not worship the Beast or his image, were beheaded.

“Then I saw thrones, and people seated on them who were given authority to judge. I also saw the people who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of God's word, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and who had not accepted the mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with the Messiah for 1,000 years”…Revelation 20:4

It is hard to imagine a world in which anyone who testifies of Jesus and doesn’t receive a mark could be beheaded. However, being a Christian and testifying of Jesus in certain parts of the Islamic world can, and have, led to this happening. Currently, this ideology is not a worldwide power…yet, but let’s say Islam was to encompass the entirety of the world. Perhaps then, they would eventually want to rid themselves of the “infidel”. It’s possible that setting up a mark to represent submission to Islam and beheading those who refuse, could be appealing to many of them.

In those days you may have people who have refused the mark and are on the run. The extra effect of not being able to buy or sell food without the mark would be an extreme burden (for anyone who hasn’t taken it) to overcome. It would make being on the run very difficult. If I wanted to ensure that most people couldn’t escape by merely going underground, ensuring that they must have the mark to buy or sell food would probably be pretty effective.

Since Islam is the fastest growing religion worldwide, this is not an unwarranted possibility. Islam has already been taking root in many European nations at alarming rates. At its current pace, it is set to replace Christianity as the world’s largest religion very soon. What happens when these nations become Islamic and Islam is the voting majority? While most Islamic “governments” have to moderate themselves somewhat (as to the extent of Islamic law that is actually adhered to) while on the world stage, this would not be the case anymore if Islam was now the dominant world power.

No one can say with certainty what the mark of the Beast will be. We can only observe the current events going on around us and be alert. While I personally believe that a global Islamic empire may indeed be a future possibility, and that the mark could be a pledge to Islam (possibly Shahada) in the form of a physical tattoo or electronic mark of some kind, I do not leave out room for other possibilities as well. The world is ever changing and I think that Christians have to have the capacity to adapt their minds accordingly.
 

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Sorry Garee, but the scripture is clear that without the mark no one will able to buy or sell. To put that into perspective, the world has been in the process of electronic crediting and debiting of ones bank account. That technology for the chip implant is going to be used for exactly that.

You guys amaze me in that, the word of God states that the mark will go into the hand or the forehead and we currently have people being implanted under the skin of the hand and you say, "Nope, that's not it!" Scripture states that unless the anyone had the mark, that they would not be able to buy or sell and we currently have People being implanted with chips under the skin of the hand and are using it to make purchases and you guys say "Nope, that's not it." You're blind!

You guys always attempt to dilute the truth by trying to spiritualize something that is meant to be taken literally. We have all of the criteria for the scripture as being literal and you guys don't get it.

Soon, you are going to see people using this implant, which I'm sure will evolve into something smaller and more reliable. And it will begin to be used along side of cash, checks, cards and cell phone bank apps. As time goes on and we move closer to the time of that last seven years, the technology for this mark will be ready to go and people will have already been using it.

We are going to see cash and checks continue to be phased out, with the world using electronic crediting and debiting more and more. Eventually the device in the hand and forehead will replace card swiping and cell phone bank apps. leaving only that mark to be able to credit and debit ones bank account.

By making the rest of the methods of buying and selling obsolete and the mark the only way to credit and debit ones bank account, it will force the individual to make a choice of receiving the mark or rejecting it. This mark will be that proverbial drawing of the line in the sand. From that point on, there will be no gray area. For anyone who receives the mark will seal their fate, being completely separated from God and will suffer the wrath of God and their place will be the lake of fire. Those who don't receive it will be those great tribulation saints who will keep their testimony of Jesus and the word of God and who will not worship the beast, his image nor receive his mark.




Sweden, Denmark and her sister countries are already pretty much cashless, using only electronic crediting and debiting, with the rest of the world to follow.

So, stop with your spiritual mumbo jumbo and look at what is going on in the literal sense. For the prophecy regarding the mark is being literally fulfilled before your very eyes, yet you can't see it!
So the people of Sweden and Denmark and their sister countries have already received the mark of the Beast quite innocently. LOL

The Blind One