Does Anyone Here Teach The Following?
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That will make a lot of people happy. For the record there is nothing in Reformed Theology that is even remotely HG. Think about it: we are called by the derogatory title "Lordship Salvation" preachers. 
Molinists believe in middle knowledge, we believe in God's sovreign decree over all things, that's very different from the molinistic view, where God has 3 kinds of will and knowledge. Also the best world view is impossible, because God is perfect and unchangeable, He's unfazed by circumstances, and cannot change His mind, so He wouldn't look at all these multitute of universes and pick the best of them, because He's also all knowing, He would just create everything perfectly from the get go, that's why God says that in His creation, everything was very good.
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Keep the ad hominem coming sir. You have no ground or proof in your false accusations, but I'll continue to quote yours so everyone can get a glimpse.
The record stands, a record of your own making - just in this thread you've gone ad hominem on others, said they are luciferian as much as you could, and lost also as much as you could. You've been told this by several people in many threads, and they are all verifiable.
I challenge you to verify your false accusations on me sir. I'll be waiting. The only thing I expect is more of the same - you've slandered MacArthur as soon as you joined here, I asked for documentation of your slander, and you have none to provide. So, this is your track record, this is what you do and that is a fact. You attack, call names, call others lost, and accuse and have no evidence just as in the case of MacArthur.
But carry on and keep it coming. Any honest Christian here can see where the attacks are coming from and who are not contributing to this thread, and are only here to insult, and there are a few of you. Surely some will chime in to say it again, but they have no proof, simply disdain for others, namely my Reformed brothers and sisters.
The record stands, a record of your own making - just in this thread you've gone ad hominem on others, said they are luciferian as much as you could, and lost also as much as you could. You've been told this by several people in many threads, and they are all verifiable.
I challenge you to verify your false accusations on me sir. I'll be waiting. The only thing I expect is more of the same - you've slandered MacArthur as soon as you joined here, I asked for documentation of your slander, and you have none to provide. So, this is your track record, this is what you do and that is a fact. You attack, call names, call others lost, and accuse and have no evidence just as in the case of MacArthur.
But carry on and keep it coming. Any honest Christian here can see where the attacks are coming from and who are not contributing to this thread, and are only here to insult, and there are a few of you. Surely some will chime in to say it again, but they have no proof, simply disdain for others, namely my Reformed brothers and sisters.
We are born into sin due to mankind's fallen nature, being born of Adam we are born of the flesh, the flesh counts for nothing, is at war with God (being His enemy), we require being born again of the Spirit of God. God desires all to be saved, Christ draws all men to Him... so grace must have a resistible quality to it, due to the sin nature of man. Otherwise all would be saved. Even as a saved people, we undergo trials meant to burn away that which does not best serve God. I agree we are not saved due to any merit of our own. Yet still, we make a choice. We chose, however we connect the dots, however we became aware of God and His great love for us, we chose that over our own limited understanding, our pride of life, our rebellion against Him... and I agree, that we are without excuse to choose otherwise
Interesting how the Lord took Abraham out of the country where he served other gods, then led him once he was in the land of promise. Israel was the elect people, but either way the Lord offers to chose this day, in the Gospel as well do people chose the Gospel every day, no. Does that mean the Lord does not elect, no. Even the most misquoted verse in the Bible John 3:16 yes God loved the world in that He gave His only Son, but it only applies to those that believe, not the world. John 3:17-21 gives the context of 3:16, Jesus did not come to condemn because those that do not believe are condemned all ready, so no election to hell. People love their wickedness and hate Jesus because He will expose their wickedness, but those that come to Jesus do it to show that God accomplished it in them
thats the point, they are all true. those who choose to believe Jesus are the elect that are destined to be conformed to His Likeness. we are Known from before Creation, because the One in whom we abide was before creation.
ever notice How the lambs book is about being blotted out? its because all are written in it by Grace , and those who accept Him arent blotted out, those who deny Him are.
revelation 3:5 "He who overcomes will thus be clothed in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels."
matthew 10:31-32 "Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. 33But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven."
notice its not " whosever i confess before God, will confess me before men"
I learned something new today, thank you I found this interesting (from wiki):
William Lane Craig calls Molinism “one of the most fruitful theological ideas ever conceived. For it would serve to explain not only God’s knowledge of the future, but divine providence and predestination as well.” Under it, God retains a measure of divine providence without hindering humanity's freedom. God retains an element of providence without nullifying a person's choice and God's purpose is fulfilled.
Molinists also believe it can aid one's understanding of salvation. Ever since Augustine and Pelagius there has been debate over the issue of salvation; more specifically how can God elect believers and believers still come to God freely? Protestants who lean more towards God's election and sovereignty are usually Calvinists while those who lean more towards humanity's free choice follow Arminianism. However, the Molinist can embrace both God's sovereignty and human free choice. I may be a Molinist; I will have to look into it further
I found this interesting (from wiki):William Lane Craig calls Molinism “one of the most fruitful theological ideas ever conceived. For it would serve to explain not only God’s knowledge of the future, but divine providence and predestination as well.” Under it, God retains a measure of divine providence without hindering humanity's freedom. God retains an element of providence without nullifying a person's choice and God's purpose is fulfilled.
Molinists also believe it can aid one's understanding of salvation. Ever since Augustine and Pelagius there has been debate over the issue of salvation; more specifically how can God elect believers and believers still come to God freely? Protestants who lean more towards God's election and sovereignty are usually Calvinists while those who lean more towards humanity's free choice follow Arminianism. However, the Molinist can embrace both God's sovereignty and human free choice. I may be a Molinist; I will have to look into it further
Amen!! What people don't get is that in MacArthur's book "The Gospel According to Jesus" he was only solidifying the true Gospel preached by the church for centuries. But, people have been so hoodwinked by the false free will gospel and decisional regeneration they could only see it as "works salvation." Any evidence of conversion, on-going sanctification, examination of conversion are all met with "that's a works gospel." Just think about that for a minute, it tells you people hold to not only a false gospel but to antinomianism. They will never see it but by God's grace.
John MacArthur believes you are not truly getting eternal life until you submit everything to Christ and make him Lord over all.
This is not found anywhere in the Bible and promotes a works based salvation.
https://www.gty.org/library/articles/A114/an-introduction-to-lordship-salvation
This is not found anywhere in the Bible and promotes a works based salvation.
https://www.gty.org/library/articles/A114/an-introduction-to-lordship-salvation
So if I understand you correctly, you say that the best world view is impossible because God cannot gain any new knowledge. So only the problem of time is what concerns you?
Nothing on the theory as such? Its obvious that God saw all the possibilities at once and always and there was no point in time when He said "aha! this one!"
Nothing on the theory as such? Its obvious that God saw all the possibilities at once and always and there was no point in time when He said "aha! this one!"
For the record Molinism isn't anything new, and people are looking at it like "Wow, someone finally gets it! He's proved we're right and that free will is right!"
Wait a minute. I thought you all already thought you proved it. The thing is you haven't. Molinism on those points is no different than Pelagius arguments for free will as well as Arminius. It is always a fight against election and predestination and an attempt to dethrone Sovereign God and put man there.
It's nothing new, just re-packaged error. The multiplicity of scenarios that God had to choose from has been a false teaching for centuries as well. It diminishes God's perfection and acts as being always perfect at all times and places Him as having to learn which is also Open Theism.
Wait a minute. I thought you all already thought you proved it. The thing is you haven't. Molinism on those points is no different than Pelagius arguments for free will as well as Arminius. It is always a fight against election and predestination and an attempt to dethrone Sovereign God and put man there.
It's nothing new, just re-packaged error. The multiplicity of scenarios that God had to choose from has been a false teaching for centuries as well. It diminishes God's perfection and acts as being always perfect at all times and places Him as having to learn which is also Open Theism.
Keep the ad hominem coming sir. You have no ground or proof in your false accusations, but I'll continue to quote yours so everyone can get a glimpse.
The record stands, a record of your own making - just in this thread you've gone ad hominem on others, said they are luciferian as much as you could, and lost also as much as you could. You've been told this by several people in many threads, and they are all verifiable.
I challenge you to verify your false accusations on me sir. I'll be waiting. The only thing I expect is more of the same - you've slandered MacArthur as soon as you joined here, I asked for documentation of your slander, and you have none to provide. So, this is your track record, this is what you do and that is a fact. You attack, call names, call others lost, and accuse and have no evidence just as in the case of MacArthur.
But carry on and keep it coming. Any honest Christian here can see where the attacks are coming from and who are not contributing to this thread, and are only here to insult, and there are a few of you. Surely some will chime in to say it again, but they have no proof, simply disdain for others, namely my Reformed brothers and sisters.
The record stands, a record of your own making - just in this thread you've gone ad hominem on others, said they are luciferian as much as you could, and lost also as much as you could. You've been told this by several people in many threads, and they are all verifiable.
I challenge you to verify your false accusations on me sir. I'll be waiting. The only thing I expect is more of the same - you've slandered MacArthur as soon as you joined here, I asked for documentation of your slander, and you have none to provide. So, this is your track record, this is what you do and that is a fact. You attack, call names, call others lost, and accuse and have no evidence just as in the case of MacArthur.
But carry on and keep it coming. Any honest Christian here can see where the attacks are coming from and who are not contributing to this thread, and are only here to insult, and there are a few of you. Surely some will chime in to say it again, but they have no proof, simply disdain for others, namely my Reformed brothers and sisters.
I learned something new today, thank you I found this interesting (from wiki):
William Lane Craig calls Molinism “one of the most fruitful theological ideas ever conceived. For it would serve to explain not only God’s knowledge of the future, but divine providence and predestination as well.” Under it, God retains a measure of divine providence without hindering humanity's freedom. God retains an element of providence without nullifying a person's choice and God's purpose is fulfilled.
Molinists also believe it can aid one's understanding of salvation. Ever since Augustine and Pelagius there has been debate over the issue of salvation; more specifically how can God elect believers and believers still come to God freely? Protestants who lean more towards God's election and sovereignty are usually Calvinists while those who lean more towards humanity's free choice follow Arminianism. However, the Molinist can embrace both God's sovereignty and human free choice. I may be a Molinist; I will have to look into it further
I found this interesting (from wiki):William Lane Craig calls Molinism “one of the most fruitful theological ideas ever conceived. For it would serve to explain not only God’s knowledge of the future, but divine providence and predestination as well.” Under it, God retains a measure of divine providence without hindering humanity's freedom. God retains an element of providence without nullifying a person's choice and God's purpose is fulfilled.
Molinists also believe it can aid one's understanding of salvation. Ever since Augustine and Pelagius there has been debate over the issue of salvation; more specifically how can God elect believers and believers still come to God freely? Protestants who lean more towards God's election and sovereignty are usually Calvinists while those who lean more towards humanity's free choice follow Arminianism. However, the Molinist can embrace both God's sovereignty and human free choice. I may be a Molinist; I will have to look into it further
No, I don't falsely accuse and that is a fact. But one thing is certain - when I post a thread you all start the attack on my person and others right off the bat. That's how you come into the thread.
But you all can keep it coming, keep following me from thread to thread to name call, falsely accuse, slander, and then tell us all what love looks like and what hate looks like while doing just what you falsely accuse others of doing. It's a remarkable thing to behold.
But you all can keep it coming, keep following me from thread to thread to name call, falsely accuse, slander, and then tell us all what love looks like and what hate looks like while doing just what you falsely accuse others of doing. It's a remarkable thing to behold.