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Makes perfect sense. It's what scripture teaches...
2 Thessalonians 2
13 But we ought always to give thanks to God for you, brothers beloved by the Lord, because God chose you as the firstfruits to be saved, through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth. 14 To this he called you through our gospel, so that you may obtain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter.
16 Now may our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God our Father, who loved us and gave us eternal comfort and good hope through grace, 17 comfort your hearts and establish them in every good work and word.
They are saved by the Gospel as per God's plan.
Do you not believe that God knew all things from eternity past? Even before creation? You seem to think his knowledge is limited on who will and won't choose him.
2 Thessalonians 2
13 But we ought always to give thanks to God for you, brothers beloved by the Lord, because God chose you as the firstfruits to be saved, through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth. 14 To this he called you through our gospel, so that you may obtain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter.
16 Now may our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God our Father, who loved us and gave us eternal comfort and good hope through grace, 17 comfort your hearts and establish them in every good work and word.
They are saved by the Gospel as per God's plan.
Do you not believe that God knew all things from eternity past? Even before creation? You seem to think his knowledge is limited on who will and won't choose him.
This also makes it very clear:
Ephesians 1:
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, 4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love 5 he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, 6 to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. 7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, 8 which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight 9 making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ 10 as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.
11 In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, 12 so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory. 13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.
The Gospel is the means by which he calls the elect. That was how he chose to do it. And it wasn't for us, it's for him and his glory.
Ephesians 1:
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, 4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love 5 he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, 6 to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. 7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, 8 which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight 9 making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ 10 as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.
11 In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, 12 so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory. 13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.
The Gospel is the means by which he calls the elect. That was how he chose to do it. And it wasn't for us, it's for him and his glory.
Ah, right! You also mentioned how jealous you were in that post of Lynn. I've been friends with Lynn for a long time. But, I confess, she is the one who approached me, which you have not done. But, partly because I disagree, in love, with you on both Arminianism and the charismatic gifts, I didn't feel we would be a good fit as friends. Of course, if you were friendly, I would be friendly in return.
I remember, it was the thread where you took me to task for not reading the looonngg copy and paste. Sorry, if it had been in your own words, I would have read it. I have given up on copy and pastes, unless it it the Bible, and not the KJV. I don't have time or energy to read something I can google, or in the case of the KJV, trying to make sense of all that 17th century English.
Oh, and if that article was by Wesley, I would not be wasting my time on it. I was reading a Wesley daily devotional a while back. All of a sudden, out of the blue, he starts railing about people losing their salvation. So, no, I won't read him. There isn't enough time left in my life to waste it reading Wesley. I know you have a BIG copy and paste on page 11 of "what a Sovereign God cannot do..." by Wesley.
Well, that was a search - page 19 for me. But I do have a lot of people on ignore right now, so it might be a different page for you.
Here is the whole thing:
So, where in this post, which fortunately includes my post, did I say I believe in free grace??
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As I said, the only thing I know about free grace is what a googled a few weeks ago. Perhaps you have a different meaning, but for sure, I NEVER said, I believed in election and free grace. Ever! Find the post! I would NOT say it.
So if you are not lying, you certainly were confused. You specifically called me by name. I did not say I believed in any kind of free anything.
Christ did die for the ones he came to save. That is the "all." This requires another thread, not going to get into it. I'm too tired, it is late.
I'm sorry for this fight between us, I have always appreciated your passion for the Bible and for the lost. But, I see so much pettiness, in an attempt to prove that your ministry was not pointless. And yet NO ONE SAID IT WAS!
The gospel must be preached. You were faithful in that. But, this petty jealousy, this attempt to slander me for being friends with Lynn, saying I believe things I do not, which you will not find anywhere in this forum, that is a big issue. As for Lynn, you said she was going behind your back. She did NOT go behind anyone's back. I would say that whether she was a friend or not. I would say that whether I agreed with her theologically or not. She just did not. You are confused, again!
So, I will forgive you in love. I hope I have not hurt you, either. I do believe initially you were sincere in your first posts about trying to understand what Reformers believe. But the third thread, was total attack, and yes, at least for me, you lied about what Reformers believe, and specifically you lied about me by name, and what I believed.
I'm done. I'm out.
I remember, it was the thread where you took me to task for not reading the looonngg copy and paste. Sorry, if it had been in your own words, I would have read it. I have given up on copy and pastes, unless it it the Bible, and not the KJV. I don't have time or energy to read something I can google, or in the case of the KJV, trying to make sense of all that 17th century English.
Oh, and if that article was by Wesley, I would not be wasting my time on it. I was reading a Wesley daily devotional a while back. All of a sudden, out of the blue, he starts railing about people losing their salvation. So, no, I won't read him. There isn't enough time left in my life to waste it reading Wesley. I know you have a BIG copy and paste on page 11 of "what a Sovereign God cannot do..." by Wesley.
Well, that was a search - page 19 for me. But I do have a lot of people on ignore right now, so it might be a different page for you.
Here is the whole thing:
So, where in this post, which fortunately includes my post, did I say I believe in free grace??
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As I said, the only thing I know about free grace is what a googled a few weeks ago. Perhaps you have a different meaning, but for sure, I NEVER said, I believed in election and free grace. Ever! Find the post! I would NOT say it.
So if you are not lying, you certainly were confused. You specifically called me by name. I did not say I believed in any kind of free anything.
Christ did die for the ones he came to save. That is the "all." This requires another thread, not going to get into it. I'm too tired, it is late.
I'm sorry for this fight between us, I have always appreciated your passion for the Bible and for the lost. But, I see so much pettiness, in an attempt to prove that your ministry was not pointless. And yet NO ONE SAID IT WAS!
The gospel must be preached. You were faithful in that. But, this petty jealousy, this attempt to slander me for being friends with Lynn, saying I believe things I do not, which you will not find anywhere in this forum, that is a big issue. As for Lynn, you said she was going behind your back. She did NOT go behind anyone's back. I would say that whether she was a friend or not. I would say that whether I agreed with her theologically or not. She just did not. You are confused, again!
So, I will forgive you in love. I hope I have not hurt you, either. I do believe initially you were sincere in your first posts about trying to understand what Reformers believe. But the third thread, was total attack, and yes, at least for me, you lied about what Reformers believe, and specifically you lied about me by name, and what I believed.
I'm done. I'm out.
This is kind of funny!
You are new to this forum. There may be many people who disagree with me, on all sorts of issues.
But there is not one person who could say, in all seriousness that I ignore portions of God's Word. Ever!
You are another I worry about. I have seen you copy and paste a page of doubtful Scripture quotes, one, you did twice, because you had the same totally wrong words added, and again, you have done it on this thread.
My suggestion to both you and Meggido, is that you get out the translation of your choice, and read the Bible through, maybe 40 or 50 times from cover to cover, like I have done. That is how I have formed my doctrine.
I know it would benefit you both.
You are new to this forum. There may be many people who disagree with me, on all sorts of issues.
But there is not one person who could say, in all seriousness that I ignore portions of God's Word. Ever!
You are another I worry about. I have seen you copy and paste a page of doubtful Scripture quotes, one, you did twice, because you had the same totally wrong words added, and again, you have done it on this thread.
My suggestion to both you and Meggido, is that you get out the translation of your choice, and read the Bible through, maybe 40 or 50 times from cover to cover, like I have done. That is how I have formed my doctrine.
I know it would benefit you both.
I believe that God knows that anyone who believes in Christ would become the called out, the chosen, part of the body of Christ, the church and that he knew this plan from the beginning and it is his purpose.
As to know each individual's choices and decisions in life before they make them - nope. If I believed that God knew everything that was going to happen before it happened I would have to believe that he knew Lucifer would rebel against him and later wreak havoc upon mankind and in our own individual lives daily but still went ahead and created him . . . . I would have to believe that God placed that tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden, created Adam and Eve, gave them one command and then laughed knowing they would not be able to obey him . . . I would have to believe that God created Adolf Hitler knowing what kind of man he was going to be but created him anyway. I believe that God has given man freedom to make choices and decisions on their own. . . . Something to ponder on.
As to know each individual's choices and decisions in life before they make them - nope. If I believed that God knew everything that was going to happen before it happened I would have to believe that he knew Lucifer would rebel against him and later wreak havoc upon mankind and in our own individual lives daily but still went ahead and created him . . . . I would have to believe that God placed that tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden, created Adam and Eve, gave them one command and then laughed knowing they would not be able to obey him . . . I would have to believe that God created Adolf Hitler knowing what kind of man he was going to be but created him anyway. I believe that God has given man freedom to make choices and decisions on their own. . . . Something to ponder on.
3) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: (note: IN Christ) According as he has chosen us in him (note: IN him) before the foundation of the world that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ (note: BY Jesus Christ) to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, to the praise of the glory of his grace wherein he has made us acceptable in the beloved.
In whom (note: IN whom) we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; wherein he has abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence; having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he has purposed in himself: that in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ (note: IN Christ), both which are in heaven and which are on earth; even in him: In whom (note: IN whom) also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who works all things after the counsel of his own will that we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ (note: TRUSTED in Christ). In whom (note: IN whom) you also trusted AFTER that you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also AFTER that you believed, you were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise.
Yes, the gospel is the means in which God calls - draws - individuals. But he doesn't just call the "elect". Everyone is called because Jesus died for the sins of all people. ALL of the above in Ephesians is based upon believing, trusting, being fully persuaded that Jesus Christ is the Messiah - that his death, burial and resurrection was what God purposed in himself and what made it available to gather together all things in one - those who trust in what they hear, and believe what they hear are sealed that is the predestined purpose of him that works all things after the counsel of his own will.
In whom (note: IN whom) we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; wherein he has abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence; having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he has purposed in himself: that in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ (note: IN Christ), both which are in heaven and which are on earth; even in him: In whom (note: IN whom) also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who works all things after the counsel of his own will that we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ (note: TRUSTED in Christ). In whom (note: IN whom) you also trusted AFTER that you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also AFTER that you believed, you were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise.
Yes, the gospel is the means in which God calls - draws - individuals. But he doesn't just call the "elect". Everyone is called because Jesus died for the sins of all people. ALL of the above in Ephesians is based upon believing, trusting, being fully persuaded that Jesus Christ is the Messiah - that his death, burial and resurrection was what God purposed in himself and what made it available to gather together all things in one - those who trust in what they hear, and believe what they hear are sealed that is the predestined purpose of him that works all things after the counsel of his own will.
What's ignorant is to put too much belief on elect and or too much on free will.
We know both exist in some form or fashion. To what degree? No one knows. Pre election is false and complete free will without Gods interaction is false.
We know God draws all people in some way some how.
We know all people who are mentally mature will find themselves many times with the choice to believe or not believe in life.
I see the elect as those who choose Christ. Not pre elect but God knows whos names are already in the book of life. He sees it but out of self limit to allow free will he sees people's choices past, present, future all as one present moment. Thats God. We cant comprehend it so why try?
We know both exist in some form or fashion. To what degree? No one knows. Pre election is false and complete free will without Gods interaction is false.
We know God draws all people in some way some how.
We know all people who are mentally mature will find themselves many times with the choice to believe or not believe in life.
I see the elect as those who choose Christ. Not pre elect but God knows whos names are already in the book of life. He sees it but out of self limit to allow free will he sees people's choices past, present, future all as one present moment. Thats God. We cant comprehend it so why try?
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As I said, the only thing I know about free grace is what a googled a few weeks ago. Perhaps you have a different meaning, but for sure, I NEVER said, I believed in election and free grace. Ever! Find the post! I would NOT say it.
So if you are not lying, you certainly were confused. You specifically called me by name. I did not say I believed in any kind of free anything.
Christ did die for the ones he came to save. That is the "all." This requires another thread, not going to get into it. I'm too tired, it is late.
I'm sorry for this fight between us, I have always appreciated your passion for the Bible and for the lost. But, I see so much pettiness, in an attempt to prove that your ministry was not pointless. And yet NO ONE SAID IT WAS!
The gospel must be preached. You were faithful in that. But, this petty jealousy, this attempt to slander me for being friends with Lynn, saying I believe things I do not, which you will not find anywhere in this forum, that is a big issue. As for Lynn, you said she was going behind your back. She did NOT go behind anyone's back. I would say that whether she was a friend or not. I would say that whether I agreed with her theologically or not. She just did not. You are confused, again!
So, I will forgive you in love. I hope I have not hurt you, either. I do believe initially you were sincere in your first posts about trying to understand what Reformers believe. But the third thread, was total attack, and yes, at least for me, you lied about what Reformers believe, and specifically you lied about me by name, and what I believed.
I'm done. I'm out.[/QUOTE]
Quote "You also mentioned how jealous you were in that post of Lynn."
Rofl jealous?! Not hardly. lol The two of you ganging up together has nothing to do with me being jealous of either of you. And BOTH of you were my friends until I questioned your dogmatic belief.
Quote " But, I confess, she is the one who approached me, which you have not done. "
The Bible says if you feel someone has wronged you you are to go to them. Funny how Lynn,who agrees with you would come to you first.
Quote " But, partly because I disagree, in love, with you on both Arminianism and the charismatic gifts..."
Ummm Angela where did I say I agreed with Arminaniasm? In fact I said I did not!
Quote" I didn't feel we would be a good fit as friends. Of course, if you were friendly, I would be friendly in return."
Bull feathers!! How long have I been here Angela?! You and I had been friends up to this point,or were you faking that? smh Such nonsense.
Quote "So, no, I won't read him."
Great cause I wont read Calvin or anyone who agrees with him.
Quote ""what a Sovereign God cannot do..." by Wesley."
No,the Op was an article by that name,it wasn't written by Wesley. So you're wrong and lets try this,if you wont read the OP or the thread how about we dont comment. Thats twice now you've mentioned false info against my threads.All because you want to comment but not read.
Quote "So, where in this post, which fortunately includes my post, did I say I believe in free grace??"
You folk are quite a lot, i'll give you that. I was kicked by preacher saying he believes in free grace,he's reformed,calvinist whatever you all claim to be when it suits your purpose. So I got the fire kicked out of me for saying you all dont believe in free grace. So if YOU personally are not reformed,calvinist,whatever then that would not apply to YOU. And I DID NOT LIE about you!!! I was talking about calvinists and reformed. Read where preacher said he believed in free grace. Wow oh wow you people... What a confused bunch you are,you cant even get on the same page with each other!!!
Quote"So if you are not lying, you certainly were confused. "
And yet you chose to call me a liar.
Quote " you certainly were confused"
You got that right! You all are a mess.
Quote " I see so much pettiness, in an attempt to prove that your ministry was not pointless."
Oh!!! Im a liar and petty! What I did was not in vain.It would be if I believed as you all do. That was the point. So dont cheapen the point I was making.I did what I felt called to do and many,many others have done the same and seen souls saved. I know God blessed the effort and people came and gave their lives to the Lord.
Quote "But, this petty jealousy"
Not jealous,you're right you two make great friends.
Quote "this attempt to slander me for being friends with Lynn"
Slander,the insults just keep coming. If you're going to tell me you aren't defending Lynn Im not going to buy that. Call me any name you wish.
Quote " saying I believe things I do not,"
I lumped you in with reformed and calvinists and preacher who said he did believe in free grace,how dare I say otherwise. smh Maybe you all need to have a sit down and figure out what you believe. The comment was made to calvinist reformed,if you are not either of those it doesn't apply to you,now does it?
Quote "As for Lynn, you said she was going behind your back. She did NOT go behind anyone's back. "
Explained what I meant by that pages ago. You'd know that if you'd read the thread.
Quote "So, I will forgive you in love."
I didn't ask for your forgiveness. If you were doing anything in love you'd have come to me privately like the Bible says.
Quote "I hope I have not hurt you, either."
Nope you haven't,its good to know where I stand with people.
Quote "you lied about what Reformers believe"
Nope never lied about anything.
Quote "and specifically you lied about me by name, and what I believed."
And that didn't happen either. I wont hear an apology for it,thats for sure. You're not the only one done.I suggest you block me so we can avoid further unpleasantness between us.
So if you are not lying, you certainly were confused. You specifically called me by name. I did not say I believed in any kind of free anything.
Christ did die for the ones he came to save. That is the "all." This requires another thread, not going to get into it. I'm too tired, it is late.
I'm sorry for this fight between us, I have always appreciated your passion for the Bible and for the lost. But, I see so much pettiness, in an attempt to prove that your ministry was not pointless. And yet NO ONE SAID IT WAS!
The gospel must be preached. You were faithful in that. But, this petty jealousy, this attempt to slander me for being friends with Lynn, saying I believe things I do not, which you will not find anywhere in this forum, that is a big issue. As for Lynn, you said she was going behind your back. She did NOT go behind anyone's back. I would say that whether she was a friend or not. I would say that whether I agreed with her theologically or not. She just did not. You are confused, again!
So, I will forgive you in love. I hope I have not hurt you, either. I do believe initially you were sincere in your first posts about trying to understand what Reformers believe. But the third thread, was total attack, and yes, at least for me, you lied about what Reformers believe, and specifically you lied about me by name, and what I believed.
I'm done. I'm out.[/QUOTE]
Quote "You also mentioned how jealous you were in that post of Lynn."
Rofl jealous?! Not hardly. lol The two of you ganging up together has nothing to do with me being jealous of either of you. And BOTH of you were my friends until I questioned your dogmatic belief.
Quote " But, I confess, she is the one who approached me, which you have not done. "
The Bible says if you feel someone has wronged you you are to go to them. Funny how Lynn,who agrees with you would come to you first.
Quote " But, partly because I disagree, in love, with you on both Arminianism and the charismatic gifts..."
Ummm Angela where did I say I agreed with Arminaniasm? In fact I said I did not!
Quote" I didn't feel we would be a good fit as friends. Of course, if you were friendly, I would be friendly in return."
Bull feathers!! How long have I been here Angela?! You and I had been friends up to this point,or were you faking that? smh Such nonsense.
Quote "So, no, I won't read him."
Great cause I wont read Calvin or anyone who agrees with him.
Quote ""what a Sovereign God cannot do..." by Wesley."
No,the Op was an article by that name,it wasn't written by Wesley. So you're wrong and lets try this,if you wont read the OP or the thread how about we dont comment. Thats twice now you've mentioned false info against my threads.All because you want to comment but not read.
Quote "So, where in this post, which fortunately includes my post, did I say I believe in free grace??"
You folk are quite a lot, i'll give you that. I was kicked by preacher saying he believes in free grace,he's reformed,calvinist whatever you all claim to be when it suits your purpose. So I got the fire kicked out of me for saying you all dont believe in free grace. So if YOU personally are not reformed,calvinist,whatever then that would not apply to YOU. And I DID NOT LIE about you!!! I was talking about calvinists and reformed. Read where preacher said he believed in free grace. Wow oh wow you people... What a confused bunch you are,you cant even get on the same page with each other!!!
Quote"So if you are not lying, you certainly were confused. "
And yet you chose to call me a liar.
Quote " you certainly were confused"
You got that right! You all are a mess.
Quote " I see so much pettiness, in an attempt to prove that your ministry was not pointless."
Oh!!! Im a liar and petty! What I did was not in vain.It would be if I believed as you all do. That was the point. So dont cheapen the point I was making.I did what I felt called to do and many,many others have done the same and seen souls saved. I know God blessed the effort and people came and gave their lives to the Lord.
Quote "But, this petty jealousy"
Not jealous,you're right you two make great friends.
Quote "this attempt to slander me for being friends with Lynn"
Slander,the insults just keep coming. If you're going to tell me you aren't defending Lynn Im not going to buy that. Call me any name you wish.
Quote " saying I believe things I do not,"
I lumped you in with reformed and calvinists and preacher who said he did believe in free grace,how dare I say otherwise. smh Maybe you all need to have a sit down and figure out what you believe. The comment was made to calvinist reformed,if you are not either of those it doesn't apply to you,now does it?
Quote "As for Lynn, you said she was going behind your back. She did NOT go behind anyone's back. "
Explained what I meant by that pages ago. You'd know that if you'd read the thread.
Quote "So, I will forgive you in love."
I didn't ask for your forgiveness. If you were doing anything in love you'd have come to me privately like the Bible says.
Quote "I hope I have not hurt you, either."
Nope you haven't,its good to know where I stand with people.
Quote "you lied about what Reformers believe"
Nope never lied about anything.
Quote "and specifically you lied about me by name, and what I believed."
And that didn't happen either. I wont hear an apology for it,thats for sure. You're not the only one done.I suggest you block me so we can avoid further unpleasantness between us.
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Speaking of the Mosaic law but the concept is still the same sin
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[h=1]Romans 6:16New International Version (NIV)[/h][FONT="]16 Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?
Sin is sin legalistic thinking, murder, stealing, lying, its all the same in the eyes of God. If we like our sins more than God then we become enslaved by sin.
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[h=1]Hebrews 10:26New International Version (NIV)[/h][FONT="]26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left,
But the faithful has this promise and hope.
Hebrews 6
12 We do not want you to become lazy, but to imitate those who through faith and patience inherit what has been promised.
19 We have this hope as an anchor for the soul, firm and secure. It enters the inner sanctuary behind the curtain, 20 where our forerunner, Jesus, has entered on our behalf. He has become a high priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek.[/FONT]
Speaking of the Mosaic law but the concept is still the same sin
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[h=1]Romans 6:16New International Version (NIV)[/h][FONT="]16 Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?
Sin is sin legalistic thinking, murder, stealing, lying, its all the same in the eyes of God. If we like our sins more than God then we become enslaved by sin.
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[h=1]Hebrews 10:26New International Version (NIV)[/h][FONT="]26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left,
But the faithful has this promise and hope.
Hebrews 6
12 We do not want you to become lazy, but to imitate those who through faith and patience inherit what has been promised.
19 We have this hope as an anchor for the soul, firm and secure. It enters the inner sanctuary behind the curtain, 20 where our forerunner, Jesus, has entered on our behalf. He has become a high priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek.[/FONT]
"He has become a high priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek."
Genesis 14:18 "And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God."
matthew 26:27-29 "And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body. 27And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave itto them, saying, Drink ye all of it; 28For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. 29But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom."
Genesis 14:18 "And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God."
matthew 26:27-29 "And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body. 27And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave itto them, saying, Drink ye all of it; 28For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. 29But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom."
its Just the gospel Bro and always prayer, it makes all the connections between Jesus and everything else. its quite astounding really. How He illuminates everything..... take a look at the aaronic priesthood Garments particularly the linens, the golden altar, golden censor, the incense and what the High priest did on the day of atonement, getting the fire from the altar, the smoke and incense ect notice the arks position and where the glory of God was and then check out this ( concerning the High priesthood of Jesus, in Heaven) ( also the gifts given to Jesus at His birth) frankincense, myhrr , and gold. the oil, the incense, and altar of atonement.
revelation 8 :3-5 "And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne. ( the ark in the ot) 4And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand. 5And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake."
and also check out ezekiel chapter 10. as pertaining to this subject of the priesthood changing from aarons line to Mlechezideks.
revelation 8 :3-5 "And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne. ( the ark in the ot) 4And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand. 5And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake."
and also check out ezekiel chapter 10. as pertaining to this subject of the priesthood changing from aarons line to Mlechezideks.
