Does Anyone Here Teach The Following?

[Johnny_B]

So, I take it no one here teaches the things above.

you be right

 

[Meggido]

But only the chosen ones will be saved.

Also, the only word you made in CAPSLOCK - ALL is not in the text. Its "many", not "all".

Read more carefully.

You are fixated on 1 verse and it is Vs 14.

Lets show the context behind your verse

Matt 22:1-14

Jesus spoke to them again in parables, saying, [SUP]2 [/SUP]“The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who gave a wedding feast for his son. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And he sent out his slaves to call those who had been invited to the wedding feast, and they were unwilling to come. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Again he sent out other slaves saying, ‘Tell those who have been invited, “Behold, I have prepared my dinner; my oxen and my fattened livestock are all butchered and everything is ready; come to the wedding feast.”’ [SUP]5 [/SUP]But they paid no attention and went their way, one to his own farm, another to his business, [SUP]6 [/SUP]and the rest seized his slaves and mistreated them and killed them. [SUP]7 [/SUP]But the king was enraged, and he sent his armies and destroyed those murderers and set their city on fire. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Then he *said to his slaves, ‘The wedding is ready, but those who were invited were not worthy. [SUP]9 [/SUP]Go therefore to the main highways, and as many as you find there, invite to the wedding feast.’ [SUP]10 [/SUP]Those slaves went out into the streets and gathered together all they found, both evil and good; and the wedding hall was filled with dinner guests. [SUP]11 [/SUP]“But when the king came in to look over the dinner guests, he saw a man there who was not dressed in wedding clothes, [SUP]12 [/SUP]and he *said to him, ‘Friend, how did you come in here without wedding clothes?’ And the man was speechless. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Then the king said to the servants, ‘Bind him hand and foot, and throw him into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’[SUP]4 [/SUP]For many are called, but few are chosen.”

 

[SovereignGrace]

This explains it . . . explains what? I don't know what an "open theist" is . . . just as I did not know what Calvinism was, nor many other terms until I heard them on this site.

He knew Satan would rebel - but created him anyway? God really didn't want a relationship with man in the beginning when he declared "all things to be good"? Or did man disappoint him by the choice man made? From that moment on man's course was changed and God set up a plan, a course of action to redeem mankind - that plan to redeem man; i.e. salvation is predestined and predetermined through our Lord Jesus Christ, the Messiah. So, I didn't say God did not know the future as in what he has purposed and what he has planned according to OT prophecy.
God's plan of salvation predetermined through OT prophecy is set before ALL men - man only has to believe what is set before him.

. . . 1 John 1:5 says that God is light and in him is no darkness at all - so how can darkness be attributed to God?

Did God predestine you to have the job you have today? Did God predestine what type of car you would drive? Did God predestine what color socks you would put on today? Did God predestine who you would marry, if you would marry, how many children you would have? I do believe that God sets before me the BEST for me but by my will, my choice, my decision, I could get way off track -

An open theist is one who believes God doesn't know the future. IOW, He isn't omniscient. Something you came very close to accusing Him of being...not omniscient, all-knowing.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Yeah, that's the first thing that came to mind when I read your erroneous statement.

So, Jesus could have gone back on all His OT prophecies that He promised to fulfill? Wow, God could actually renege on His promises of Messiah and the fulfillments. That's interesting. I see you have garnered a couple folk and hoodwinked them with your error.

Tell me more about this false god who can make Messianic promises and then renege on them and still be Holy, Righteous and incapable of lying.

This 'god' is no better than Remphan or Molech.

 

[trofimus]

You are fixated on 1 verse and it is Vs 14.

Lets show the context behind your verse

Matt 22:1-14

Jesus spoke to them again in parables, saying, [SUP]2 [/SUP]“The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who gave a wedding feast for his son. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And he sent out his slaves to call those who had been invited to the wedding feast, and they were unwilling to come. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Again he sent out other slaves saying, ‘Tell those who have been invited, “Behold, I have prepared my dinner; my oxen and my fattened livestock are all butchered and everything is ready; come to the wedding feast.”’ [SUP]5 [/SUP]But they paid no attention and went their way, one to his own farm, another to his business, [SUP]6 [/SUP]and the rest seized his slaves and mistreated them and killed them. [SUP]7 [/SUP]But the king was enraged, and he sent his armies and destroyed those murderers and set their city on fire. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Then he *said to his slaves, ‘The wedding is ready, but those who were invited were not worthy. [SUP]9 [/SUP]Go therefore to the main highways, and as many as you find there, invite to the wedding feast.’ [SUP]10 [/SUP]Those slaves went out into the streets and gathered together all they found, both evil and good; and the wedding hall was filled with dinner guests. [SUP]11 [/SUP]“But when the king came in to look over the dinner guests, he saw a man there who was not dressed in wedding clothes, [SUP]12 [/SUP]and he *said to him, ‘Friend, how did you come in here without wedding clothes?’ And the man was speechless. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Then the king said to the servants, ‘Bind him hand and foot, and throw him into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’[SUP]4 [/SUP]For many are called, but few are chosen.”

All they found = many in the end. Not all like everybody who ever existed.

And from those they found, ie from those "many" only few are chosen.

 

[Depleted]

It means what it says. Whosoever. Context will define the whosoever. Look at the whole of scripture. John 10, Jesus lays his life down for the sheep. Jesus died for many Hebrews 9. All that the Father gives to Jesus will come to him, John 6. No one can come to him unless the Father draws them, John 6. Many are called, few are chosen, Matthew 22. One must be born again to see the kingdom John 3. One must be born, not of human will, but of God, John 1. God will have mercy and whom he wills and harden whom he wills, Romans 9.

I don't have time to do full exegesis because I have to leave, but I will try and remember to do it when I get back if you're still interested. I won't be long. Pm me a a reminder if it's important to you. Also, you could search for my posts at the top of this thread and see everything I've had to say about it already.

We've gone thorough John 3:16-21 often enough that Kayla even posted the verses referred to. You've actually done it before yourself with her. And yet, right after that, she goes back to "Calvinists don't believe John 3:16" anyway. And, she's doing it yet again.

If you want to simply copy/paste the same exegesis you did the last time, find her thread on what Wesley said. I don't remember which page you posted your last time you exegeted this, but at least I can point you to the thread to look at.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

One of the 100,000 questions I really do want to ask God when we come face-to-face.

On the other hand, are you saying God is in suspense waiting to find out who is saved too? Kind of defeats the terms "omniscient" and "omnipotent."

I am saying that God is longsuffering not willing ANY should perish but that ALL should come to repentance. Salvation is offered to ALL.

 

[SovereignGrace]

All they found = many in the end. Not all like everybody who ever existed.

And from those they found, ie from those "many" only few are chosen.

They're hung up on all, as they think 'all means all, and that's all that all means.' Now, Romans 10:12 says God blesses ALL those who call upon Him. So, ALL means 'everyone within a subset', and not 'all whoever existed.'

 

[trofimus]

I am saying that God is longsuffering not willing ANY should perish but that ALL should come to repentance. Salvation is offered to ALL.

Offered? Yes. Gospel is preached to "all".

Will "all" accept the offer? No. Because only few are chosen.

 

[Desertsrose]

It is interesting that you say that, because being called little Christ's was an insult as well. I don't call myself Calvinist or Reformed, but call mr Reformed or Calvinist. Did you notice that he said they hate him, out of all the doctrine in the Christian faith no other like the Doctrines of Grace get people so stirred up that they misrepresent them. They are so afraid of them that many call them from satan, a doctrine of demons, it's gnostic in nature when all it is about is placing God in a position to be glorified for the salvation of men and that upsets people so much that it makes me wonder what the problem is, because lifting man over God in salvation, is not loving God with all our mind, all our soul, all our heart and all our strength, it is worshiping the creature over the Creator. They are the most misrepresented doctrines around, I like the one that says, Calvinism teaches that you can live anyway you want nd still make heaven your home, it is true that you can live anyway you want and if you are a believer you are going to want to worship God and be holy as He is holy, if you live a life of sin that mean you don't know God. So yes in any denomination you should live how you want, because what is in your heart is who you are, but most people would rather take the credit for their salvation by getting it and maintaining it.

Jesus said they will hate you for the words I gave you. John 17:13-15 But now I am coming to you, and these things I speak in the world, that they may have my joy fulfilled in themselves.14 I have given them your word, and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.15 I do not ask that you take them out of the world, but that you keep them from the evil one.

Does anyone get stirred up over Arminianism, Dispensationalism, Pentecostalism or any other form of doctrine, the way they do over the Doctrines of Grace? Out of all the doctrine that we can hold to none is hated with it's followers more than Reformed/Calvinism. I remember meeting George Bryson, I asked him a question about Calvinism and his answer was so twisted that it made me do my own investigation because it just did not make any sense as to what he said. Plus the owner of the book store I always went to, would always graciously answer my questions and order all my crazy books, like Kenyon. Hinn, Larkin. Then one day after the store had closed down, we bumped into each other at a conference with MacArthur, Sproul, Ferguson and others. He could not believe I was there.

Word of Faith - draws crowds for sure. Maybe even more than Calvinism.
Dispensationalism - boy howdy.

Actually Johnny, you have the hyper calvinists to thank for the anger towards Calvinism.

Here's how Phil Johnson explains it.

A hyper-Calvinist is someone who either:

1. Denies that the gospel call applies to all who hear,
2. OR Denies that faith is the duty of every sinner,
3. OR Denies that the gospel makes any “offer” of Christ, salvation, or mercy to the non-elect (or denies that the offer of divine mercy is free and universal),
4. OR Denies that there is such a thing as “common grace,”
5. OR Denies that God has any sort of love for the non-elect.

All five varieties of hyper-Calvinism undermine evangelism or twist the gospel message.

It's no wonder that many, when hearing what Calvinism is, ends up hearing the extreme views. The woman who is the subject of the OP probably heard the extreme views of Calvinism. She's not to blame, she's only going by what she knows.

All this arguing caused by the OP would be better served in saying we're not extreme and here's what we believe.

 

[SovereignGrace]

I am saying that God is longsuffering not willing ANY should perish but that ALL should come to repentance. Salvation is offered to ALL.

Again Sissy, this verse, 2 Peter 3:9, is referring to believers, His ppl, His sheep, those He chose(foreknew) from the creation of the world. He is not willing any of them should perish. He was sooooooo willing they should not perish, He sent His Son to procure their salvation for them.

 

[BeyondET]

In the beginning they were Nazarenes and of The Way.

We don't really heed Pauls words when we divide His body. And I believe it shows our heart too. We are holding doctrines of men as more important than unity of His body.

Psalms 22...my bones are out of joint. Best sermon I ever heard was on this truth. How can we walk together when His bones are out of joint?

[video=youtube;VuCLqoxigNA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuCLqoxigNA[/video]

 

[Depleted]

So, now, if one is Reformed and answers a post it is "sniping" and lying, as long as it is from them isn't lying. LOL!!!

I am snipey, so if someone comes back at me snipey, I'm not going to call them on it. (I may go all sarcastic on them, but I'm not going to bother protesting over the snipey attitude. lol)

I hate lying, so I don't lie. So I do, very much, hate someone lying about me, and I call them on it.

Considering you're both snipey and lie, why does it bother you, if others do the same thing to you? I would think it was noble if you were sticking up for Forth, because Forth is neither snipey nor lies, but it really wasn't about Forth. It was all about you showing off your woe-is-me thing again, and playing the martyr. You're no martyr.

Snipey people really don't look good in the persecuted garb. And you've set a terrible example for Reformed Theology and for God's word in general. I wish you'd remember this is about God too.

 

[Depleted]

Nope not a universalist,another false accusation being thrown around. Yes,few find the path,but not because they were not elected. Called and elected are two different things. And I believe that those that choose not to believe choose hell for themselves because they will not obey,as the Bible says.

False accusation = "You are a universalist."

Asking if you are, is not a false accusation. At least get what phrases mean before using them. You don't look good in persecution garb either.

 

[stonesoffire]

[video=youtube;VuCLqoxigNA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuCLqoxigNA[/video]

This song is so prophetic about our time now. Gives me chills when I hear it.

Out of the ashes an army rises...makes me wonder whats to happen.

 

[Depleted]

Dementia maybe? lol

Actually, I'm not sure if I've done it or not. But I do get stuck on words and misspell them, even if I understand what the difference is. (They're/there/their. Passed/past. Effect/affect.) I'm also fluent in typos and have aphasia. So, lots of reasons besides dementia.

 

[Rockrz]

there is not one person who could say, in all seriousness that I ignore portions of God's Word

I just posted numerous scriptures that demonstrate that God did in fact give man free will so you do obviously ignore portions of God's Word.

You are another I worry about.

That is meaningless coming from someone who is a cherry picker who ignores God's Word and picks / chooses what scriptures they agree with based on their carnal minded, man-made, religious doctrine.

My suggestion to both you and Meggido, is that you get out the translation of your choice, and read the Bible through, maybe 40 or 50 times from cover to cover, like I have done. That is how I have formed my doctrine.

And this has brought you to a doctrine that is a miserable failure and is satanic as it rejects some very important things God has said and you8 reject His point of view.

In the end, it's the Lord's viewpoint that matters and that point of view is reflected in what He has said.
So, enjoy your degree from Scripture Twisting University as you continue doing the twist

You are an excellent example of why God does not authorize women to teach His flock other than other women and the little ones!

 

[Depleted]

I hope not ,but I won't completely rule it out. In my case .
Blessings
Bill

I can. Dementia means ruling it out, even if it's true.

I kept telling Dad there was something wrong with his memory. He instantly went with, "No there's not." So, if you think it's possible, it's highly unlikely it is. It's when you are sure you remember right, and everyone else is sure you didn't.

(Lesson in dementia. Unrelated to post.)

 

[Meggido]

They're hung up on all, as they think 'all means all, and that's all that all means.' Now, Romans 10:12 says God blesses ALL those who call upon Him. So, ALL means 'everyone within a subset', and not 'all whoever existed.'

you all could complicate a glass of water

 

[Johnny_B]

I am saying that God is longsuffering not willing ANY should perish but that ALL should come to repentance. Salvation is offered to ALL.

It is offered to all, but only the sheep believe.