King James Bible ONLY? Or NOT?

[John146]

Again, you're speaking from both sides of your mouth. Why did God preserve His word in english only? Were the Russians, Egyptians, Syrians, Asians, Germans, French not up to snuff like us english speaking folk? Did God not see them in the same light as us english speaking folk, so He decided to not preserve His word in their languages, too?

Now, where can you find, in the bible, where promised to preserve His word in english only.

The levels of stupidity in our ranks blows my mind!!!

You get angry because I trust every word in my Bible? That makes Christians mad today? I have something I can offer the world that is 100% trustworthy in truth. Do you?

 

[trofimus]

Well, I'm only concerned with the English language. And besides, God never promised to preserve His words in every language. For thousands of years, God only spoke to the nation of Israel in their language.

I am afraid that English is one of the languages that lost most of the original Bible. Just because the rules of Greek are so much different from English and much more closer to other European languages.

Maybe you should learn German or some Slavic language, try Russian, they have even the alphabet derived from the Greek. And if you do not like the idea that you must learn some foreign language, I am sorry, but God did not promised to preserve His words in English.

 

[John146]

I am afraid that English is one of the languages that lost most of the original Bible. Just because the rules of Greek are so much different from English and much more closer to other European languages.

Maybe you should learn German or some Slavic language, try Russian, they have even the alphabet derived from the Greek. And if you do not like the idea that you must learn some foreign language, I am sorry, but God did not promised to preserve His words in English.

However, God did promise to preserve His words for us. Where are they? Are God's words in the ESV? The NASB? Where? Please tell me where?

 

[SovereignGrace]

You get angry because I trust every word in my Bible? That makes Christians mad today? I have something I can offer the world that is 100% trustworthy in truth. Do you?

I am angry when you conflate a translation and put it on the same level as those that were inspired, written on the papers the Prophets actually wrote on.

You say God has preserved His word in english, and when we ask about other languages, you guys flippantly say you're only concerned with english. That's speaking outta both sides of your mouth and being stupid at the same time.

On my book shelf, I have KJV, ESV, CSB, YLT, NIV, and Hebrew and Greek interlinears by Jay P. Green Sr. I have 100% confidence in all of them. If I didnt , they wouldn't be on my shelves.

Now, gotta a translation that say someone other than David killed Goliath in 1 Samuel 17:51?

I'll be waiting...

 

[SovereignGrace]

However, God did promise to preserve His words for us. Where are they? Are God's words in the ESV? The NASB? Where? Please tell me where?

And praytell, how do you know He preserved His word in the KJV?

 

[John146]

I am angry when you conflate a translation and put it on the same level as those that were inspired, written on the papers the Prophets actually wrote on.

You say God has preserved His word in english, and when we ask about other languages, you guys flippantly say you're only concerned with english. That's speaking outta both sides of your mouth and being stupid at the same time.

On my book shelf, I have KJV, ESV, CSB, YLT, NIV, and Hebrew and Greek interlinears by Jay P. Green Sr. I have 100% confidence in all of them. If I didnt , they wouldn't be on my shelves.

Now, gotta a translation that say someone other than David killed Goliath in 1 Samuel 17:51?

I'll be waiting...

Check Post #636

 

[trofimus]

However, God did promise to preserve His words for us. Where are they? Are God's words in the ESV? The NASB? Where? Please tell me where?

Forget English. Learn Greek. Greek is the original language.

 

[John146]

Forget English. Learn Greek. Greek is the original language.

How much value did God put in the originals? Where's the original Ten Commandments that God wrote with His own finger? Moses destroyed them. How did God react? He preserved them in a copy. If God thought the "originals" were that important, He would have made sure the originals were preserved for all generations.

 

[trofimus]

How much value did God put in the originals? Where's the original Ten Commandments that God wrote with His own finger? Moses destroyed them. How did God react? He preserved them in a copy. If God thought the "originals" were that important, He would have made sure the originals were preserved for all generations.

I said "original language". I did not say "originals".

Of course we have only copies. If you want the most pure word of God preserved as possible, you must learn Greek. English is not suitable.

 

[John146]

Forget English. Learn Greek. Greek is the original language.

Moreover, when God translates something, the translation is always better than the original.

1. Saul's kingdom was translated to David. To translate the kingdom from the house of Saul, and to set up the throne of David over Israel and over Judah, from Dan even to Beersheba."

2. "Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:"

3. "By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death;

 

[SovereignGrace]

I agree, David killed Goliath and Elhanan killed Goliath's brother. But that's not what the new trusted versions read.

2 Samuel 21:19

KJV And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.

ESV And there was again war with the Philistines at Gob, and Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim, the Bethlehemite, struck down Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.

NASB There was war with the Philistines again at Gob, and Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim the Bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver’s beam.

HCSB Once again there was a battle with the Philistines at Gob, and Elhanan son of Jaare-oregim the Bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gittite. The shaft of his spear was like a weaver’s beam.

Well, the Geneva and Bishops bible, which are older than the KJV, agree with the KJV in 2 Samuel 21:19. So, I guess God preserved His word in those two bibles as well.

I see this as not an argument of which translation is better, but which manuscripts are best.

 

[trofimus]

Moreover, when God translates something, the translation is always better than the original.

1. Saul's kingdom was translated to David. To translate the kingdom from the house of Saul, and to set up the throne of David over Israel and over Judah, from Dan even to Beersheba."

2. "Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:"

3. "By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death;

This is a joke, right? A good one.

An example of how English words are misleading.

 

[SovereignGrace]

This is a joke, right? A good one.

An example of how English words are misleading.

Its not a joke...in his sight its not, at least.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Moreover, when God translates something, the translation is always better than the original.

1. Saul's kingdom was translated to David. To translate the kingdom from the house of Saul, and to set up the throne of David over Israel and over Judah, from Dan even to Beersheba."

2. "Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:"

3. "By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death;

 

[John146]

Well, the Geneva and Bishops bible, which are older than the KJV, agree with the KJV in 2 Samuel 21:19. So, I guess God preserved His word in those two bibles as well.

I see this as not an argument of which translation is better, but which manuscripts are best.

Throw out your new version Bibles because they aren't trustworthy.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Throw out your new version Bibles because they aren't trustworthy.

According to who? You?

 

[trofimus]

Throw out your new version Bibles because they aren't trustworthy.

Do not forget the KJV in the shelf. It has almost all the OT wrong and several places in the NT too.

I am counting only obvious contradictions and errors, of course.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Ooooookkkkkkkaaaaaayyyyyy, let's look at this post..

Moreover, when God translates something, the translation is always better than the original.

1. Saul's kingdom was translated to David. To translate the kingdom from the house of Saul, and to set up the throne of David over Israel and over Judah, from Dan even to Beersheba."

So, then by using your logic in the above, God took His word away from other nations and gave it solely to english speaking folk. So, He hasn't preserved His words in other languages, so only english speaking folk will be saved.

My sympathies Brother Trofimus. You're outta luck if you don't get a KJV, read it and are born again by it.

2. "Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:"

So, His word was in darkness in Hebrew, Chaldean, and Greek and when He preserved(translated) it in english, in the KJV for english speaking folk, it is now in the kingdom of His dear Son? That's the logic you're employing.

3. "By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death;

So, now the KJV is in heaven with God? Srsly? That's you're logic for translated being better than the originals. You're Peter Ruckman incarnate.

 

[trofimus]

Ooooookkkkkkkaaaaaayyyyyy, let's look at this post..




So, then by using your logic in the above, God took His word away from other nations and gave it solely to english speaking folk. So, He hasn't preserved His words in other languages, so only english speaking folk will be saved.

My sympathies Brother Trofimus. You're outta luck if you don't get a KJV, read it and are born again by it.


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So, His word was in darkness in Hebrew, Chaldean, and Greek and when He preserved(translated) it in english, in the KJV for english speaking folk, it is now in the kingdom of His dear Son? That's the logic you're employing.



So, now the KJV is in heaven with God? Srsly? That's you're logic for translated being better than the originals. You're Peter Ruckman incarnate.

So, if I take the KJV and translate it to my native language, I got a better word of God than the KJV is, because translations is better than original Right?

Also, if translation is better than the original, I wonder why the KJV translators used the original languages and not Latin, the Vulgate had to be better than Hebrew and Greek.

But still, I am suspicious John146 is joking a little.

 

[SovereignGrace]

So, if I take the KJV and translate it to my native language, I got a better word of God than the KJV is, because translations is better than original Right?

Also, if translation is better than the original, I wonder why the KJV translators used the original languages and not Latin, the Vulgate had to be better than Hebrew and Greek.

But still, I am suspicious John146 is joking a little.

I just wanna know by what authority they know that God preserved His word solely in the KJV. Why did He not preserve it in the Bishops or Geneva, seeing both are older?