Not By Works
- Thread starter dcontroversal
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
I understand what you are saying and I used to believe that too because I was taught that in a Pentecostal church I went to after I met the Lord kneeling before Him in my bed room one night when I was a young teenager.
So, if you come to me and ask for $100 "in order to get it" and I say to you - I already gave it to you. Where is the $100?
Why would you ask for something that He already gave you? Why not believe what He said about it in the first place?
I know - we are taught that in some church teachings and traditions.
For example: We could read in Isaiah 53 that God will send One to die for us. We could ask for the Father to send the Messiah to die on the cross for us. Why don't we do that now?
Have some good time relaxing, God bless you.
I do not know or understand you, and I am deeply sorry you feel you have needed
to attack me without stopping for years. Never really with a defined reason or justification,
but if it helps you, I will be your punch bag. As far as others correcting me, works salvation,
I have never believed this, so it is all rather pointless, like punching the wind, or thinking you
have someone on the ropes and they are not there. lol.
I do not know or understand you, and I am deeply sorry you feel you have needed
to attack me without stopping for years. Never really with a defined reason or justification,
but if it helps you, I will be your punch bag. As far as others correcting me, works salvation,
I have never believed this, so it is all rather pointless, like punching the wind, or thinking you
have someone on the ropes and they are not there. lol.
E
I stop asking God to forgive me awhile ago, instead, now I thank him for forgiving me, after I confess whatever sin, admit I deserve judgment, thank him for his grace, ask for strength to over come, and move on. Knowing I still may suffer chastening and consequences for that sin, and taking whatever comes, knowing I did it to myself.
A
Looked at this link...
https://joyfullygrowingingrace.wordpress.com/2014/02/26/what-about-hyper-grace/
It has a lot of articles....
Clicked on this link...
https://escapetoreality.org/2013/02/22/error-of-hyper-grace-michael-brown/
Found this false statement
Now this is a lie. God doesn't view us in terms of our parents,
When God looks at us He sees us...not just Jesus blood upon us,but us as unique flawed individuals in need of His love and instruction and chastenment.
I don't like the Hyper grace movement. It gives me a headache because it sounds good on the surface but there is always a twist and a hook that goes against the Bible.
Or you have to learn a whole new way of defining a word to make it fit in the Bible.
There is a bible verse that says for folks to stop saying "the father eats sour grapes and the child's teeth is set on edge" that each man will be judged for their sins or righteousness.
I do believe that salvation is in Christ alone. However believers will be judged if their works and theology is hay and stubble or gold,silver and precious gems.
Personally I don't like the hyper grace movement or those websites G777, but I am not gonna stalk you from thread to thread and proclaim that you are a heretic.
If you present something I disagree with,i will ask you to explain and then present why I disagree with you based on scriptures.
That's just how my Dad taught me to interact with folks I disagree with.
https://joyfullygrowingingrace.wordpress.com/2014/02/26/what-about-hyper-grace/
It has a lot of articles....
Clicked on this link...
https://escapetoreality.org/2013/02/22/error-of-hyper-grace-michael-brown/
Found this false statement
Now this is a lie. God doesn't view us in terms of our parents,
When God looks at us He sees us...not just Jesus blood upon us,but us as unique flawed individuals in need of His love and instruction and chastenment.
I don't like the Hyper grace movement. It gives me a headache because it sounds good on the surface but there is always a twist and a hook that goes against the Bible.
Or you have to learn a whole new way of defining a word to make it fit in the Bible.
There is a bible verse that says for folks to stop saying "the father eats sour grapes and the child's teeth is set on edge" that each man will be judged for their sins or righteousness.
I do believe that salvation is in Christ alone. However believers will be judged if their works and theology is hay and stubble or gold,silver and precious gems.
Personally I don't like the hyper grace movement or those websites G777, but I am not gonna stalk you from thread to thread and proclaim that you are a heretic.
If you present something I disagree with,i will ask you to explain and then present why I disagree with you based on scriptures.
That's just how my Dad taught me to interact with folks I disagree with.
True.....the Greek word for "confess" means literally "to speak the same thing".
I confess all kinds of things. I confess that my Father and Lord says about me - that I am the righteousness of God in Christ. That Jesus is my life and that I have died with Christ on the cross and I have been raised to newness of life.
I confess that malice, deceit and slander and things like these are just as much as walking in the flesh as living the homosexual lifestyle.
E
Have some good time relaxing, God bless you.
I do not know or understand you, and I am deeply sorry you feel you have needed
to attack me without stopping for years. Never really with a defined reason or justification,
but if it helps you, I will be your punch bag. As far as others correcting me, works salvation,
I have never believed this, so it is all rather pointless, like punching the wind, or thinking you
have someone on the ropes and they are not there. lol.
I do not know or understand you, and I am deeply sorry you feel you have needed
to attack me without stopping for years. Never really with a defined reason or justification,
but if it helps you, I will be your punch bag. As far as others correcting me, works salvation,
I have never believed this, so it is all rather pointless, like punching the wind, or thinking you
have someone on the ropes and they are not there. lol.
All I did was take a thread you opened along time ago where you stated people like me believe certain things, I took those accusations and tried t show you where you were wrong, and you dhave d not like that at all, thought I was attacking you when I was not, just trying to show you where you were wrong about me, and you have been at war with me ever since.
anyone who wants to know where this happened can ask, I will show them
How about defining the fruit of the Spirit and just WHO is and WHO isn't exhibiting it?
Here is the fruit of the Holy Spirit:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.
Now YOU tell me who, day after day, being attacked daily, exhibits these fruits? Is it Bruce? Or is it the "brothers" who viciously attack him every day?
Can't you discern who is exhibiting these fruits?
Here is the fruit of the Holy Spirit:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.
Now YOU tell me who, day after day, being attacked daily, exhibits these fruits? Is it Bruce? Or is it the "brothers" who viciously attack him every day?
Can't you discern who is exhibiting these fruits?
A
No it's not the same and it's kind of annoying you keep comparing them..,
Sexual sin defiled the Body which is suppose to be a temple to God because the Holy Spirit dwells in our hearts.
Slander, malice and deceit come from a heart that needs to be washed clean.
However folks call foul when some is just misunderstandings.
It's not slander if you actually believe what they claim you believe.
You do believe in hyper grace...and they believe hyper grace is heresy....this it's not slander but what they actually believe.
Most of the folks don't have malice towards people but hate what they believe to be false doctrines.
It's something everyone shares because we all want to believe we are standing for God's truth.
Is it deceit if the person believes what they say?
Decieved versus deceiver or both?
Sexual sin defiled the Body which is suppose to be a temple to God because the Holy Spirit dwells in our hearts.
Slander, malice and deceit come from a heart that needs to be washed clean.
However folks call foul when some is just misunderstandings.
It's not slander if you actually believe what they claim you believe.
You do believe in hyper grace...and they believe hyper grace is heresy....this it's not slander but what they actually believe.
Most of the folks don't have malice towards people but hate what they believe to be false doctrines.
It's something everyone shares because we all want to believe we are standing for God's truth.
Is it deceit if the person believes what they say?
Decieved versus deceiver or both?
You don't have to agree with anything anyone says about a subject. There are things you say that I don't agree with either. None of us knows it all in every subject. That is between us and your Lord as far as our walk with the Lord and what He is showing us at the time we are at in our walk with Him.
I don't know the "context" of "People are defined by their parents." I could find your quote in the article you referenced.
I did find this in the article: ( where di you find that quote? so that I can look at it in context..thanks...))
Rather, our beautiful and lofty calling is to, “Be imitators of God, as beloved children” (Eph 5:1). We don’t imitate God to become his children, but because we are his children, and dearly-loved.
To me it might be relating to the fact that God is our Father now and He relates to us as His beloved children.
Ariel - malice and slander as well as outburst of anger, jealousy, strife...etc. - all in the same lists as immoral sexual behavior. It is religious man that redefines sin. They are all works of the flesh. See Gal 5:19-21
But you are free to believe whatever you want. I see them as all works of the flesh and they bring destruction to us all in some form or other while we are in this earth.
But you are free to believe whatever you want. I see them as all works of the flesh and they bring destruction to us all in some form or other while we are in this earth.
A
I like Bruce as a person, but I know good Buddhist, Muslims and even atheist that I would call my friend.
However I would not go to them for Biblical wisdom or theology.
When Bruce speaks with his own words instead of cutting and pasting or quoting those articles, I find it easier to speak with him.
I don't base my theology and beliefs in how much charisma and charm the person speaking to me has.
I base it upon the Bible and what God's Holy spirit has revaled to me concerning His truth.
Bruce is a big boy. He doesnt need protection and this doesn't need to be a war with ad hominem attacks.
I tend to skip post where folks are just attacking someone or vitriol rants.
When folks get into that fighting spirit,communications is just useless.
Prayer works a lot better.
However I would not go to them for Biblical wisdom or theology.
When Bruce speaks with his own words instead of cutting and pasting or quoting those articles, I find it easier to speak with him.
I don't base my theology and beliefs in how much charisma and charm the person speaking to me has.
I base it upon the Bible and what God's Holy spirit has revaled to me concerning His truth.
Bruce is a big boy. He doesnt need protection and this doesn't need to be a war with ad hominem attacks.
I tend to skip post where folks are just attacking someone or vitriol rants.
When folks get into that fighting spirit,communications is just useless.
Prayer works a lot better.
E
it S slander when they share what they think hyper grace believes, and are told over and over again that it is not true, at least in the case if myself and grace777.
To say it is ok because they call us hpergrace just because they think it is heresy and no excuse for sin, when they have been told over and over we do not believe the things they claim
To say it is ok because they call us hpergrace just because they think it is heresy and no excuse for sin, when they have been told over and over we do not believe the things they claim
A
1 Corinthians 6
18Flee from sexual immorality. Every other sine a person commits is outside the body, but the sexually immoral person sins against his own body. 19Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, 20for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.
18Flee from sexual immorality. Every other sine a person commits is outside the body, but the sexually immoral person sins against his own body. 19Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, 20for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.
Jesus told us we will know His, by the fruits they exhibit. We are NOT talking about Bhuddists or any body else. We are talking about a man who thousands of times has expressed the one true Gospel unto Salvation. He believes and has stated WHO Jesus is, WHAT He has done, and the reason he needs Jesus.
Now I ask again. WHO exhibits the fruits of the Spirit on these boards. Bruce, or those who continuously malign him?
And WHY are you having a problem Discerning this?
Now I ask again. WHO exhibits the fruits of the Spirit on these boards. Bruce, or those who continuously malign him?
And WHY are you having a problem Discerning this?