Not By Works

Grace777x70 · Jun 3, 2017

2 Corinthians 2:11 (NASB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] so that no advantage would be taken of us by Satan, for we are not ignorant of his schemes.

Luke 13:16 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] "And this woman, a daughter of Abraham as she is, whom Satan has bound for eighteen long years, should she not have been released from this bond on the Sabbath day?"

Ephesians 4:26-27 (KJV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:

[SUP]27 [/SUP] Neither give place to the devil.

John 5:14 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Afterward Jesus *found him in the temple and said to him, "Behold, you have become well; do not sin anymore, so that nothing worse happens to you."

blessedjohn80 · Jun 3, 2017

Ariel82 said:

The key word here is deceive.
Keeping away from the truth, that is Jesus.

If satan leads me away because of my sins, does that mean I'm on my own to find my way back to God?

No, because the truth is Jesus, who is always leading me to God through His Holy Spirit that is in me.
Can satan unseal the Holy Spirit?

He cannot, that's why he's left to deceive people.
He roars but has no fangs.

Grace777x70 · Jun 3, 2017

Ariel82 said:

This in brown above is exactly what I have been hearing from all those 1,000 messages on the grace of God that is in the gospel message of Christ's finished work on the cross.

Ariel82 · Jun 3, 2017

Our spirit is unique. It is not "identical to the Lord Jesus Christ" We have been given the Holy Spirit which teaches our spirit.
.there is a difference he doesn't seem to make. Our spirit and the Holy Spirit are different. We don't already have the fruit of walking with the Holy Spirit because our spirit has to learn them.

I agree that our mind has to learn them, but so does our spirit.

We learn from God's Holy spirit.

blessedjohn80 · Jun 3, 2017

Ariel82 said:

And I agree. The whole gospel is:
1. Jesus death on the cross.
2. With His death came the seal, the Holy Spirit.
3. And the ultimate truth that God the Father sent Jesus even when we were deep in our sins. God's love!

All three of these things are explained, subtly displayed, and repeated over and over throughout the old and new testament that I would be amazed how anyone can miss learning to live godly lives after knowing this truth.

Ariel82 · Jun 3, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

2 Corinthians 2:11
Many people are ignorant of Satan's schemes..

Ephesians 4:26-27
The sin of allowing anger to fester is the sin of unforgiveness and not giving that anger into God's hands in trust and faith. It's attempting to exact your own vengeance instead of having faith in God to deal with it.

Luke 13:16
Jesus healed a woman bound by Satan,but that deosnt mean all physical illness is due to Satanic influences...some is just the sinful nature of this world. Cancer is caused by environmental effects of humanity tampering with the world.

Many other diseases are caused by the corruption of this world by mankind and our sinful actions that go against God's plans.

For example:
The depletion the ozone layer causes skin cancer.

John 5:14
Sin causes bad things to happen..definitely.

Ariel82 · Jun 3, 2017

blessedjohn80 said:

What happened to

1. He Rose again
2. The holy spirit leading people to live godly lives

You didn't mention them in your post?

blessedjohn80 · Jun 3, 2017

Ariel82 said:

I agree 100% on this. That's why we have to renew our minds to the truth that is Jesus, not just daily but at all times.
We don't always produce good works no matter how hard we can try after receiving Christ
but when we do, we give thanks to God because we know that all works that come from the spirit come from God.

We can't rely on our own efforts. To do so would be pride in ourselves and unbelief to Jesus' work and God's love.

blessedjohn80 · Jun 3, 2017

Ariel82 said:

Well, before Jesus ascended He left the Holy Spirit as a seal. And before Jesus ascended He rose again so...

We are sealed by the Holy Spirit = "The holy spirit leading people to live godly lives"

In other words, if you are not sealed by the Holy Spirit, you cannot be led to do a godly life.

JIMBO43 · Jun 3, 2017

blessedjohn80 said:

I agree that one can lead a better life with the aid of the holy spirit..

The thing is tho no one can go to Jesus unless your sent from the father... bible John (Jesus) no one can come to me unless the one who sent me (my father draws you to me..).. what does this mean.

Does it mean that all children are under the wings of the father.... Matthew 18:10 bible 10See that you do not look down on any of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven. …

So it seems all children are protected by angels who stare back in the face of God.

It would also seem from theese two verses i have Posted That Chidren are under the wings of the father until there handed over to the son (ie eternal life.)..

What doest this mean ?...

Is it that the father knows when you are sincere enough to go to the son ?..

Does it also mean that people can live Godly lifes befor there handed over ?.... coz surely the father would pass everyone over if he could and everyone would be saved ?..

Conclusion how do you know youve been handed over to the son...
lets examine...

1 in you confess that Jesus is lord and you believe he is the son of the father you are saved...
This thrase must be read as if you believe coz God would know if you truly believed and then he would hand you over to the son..

2 Is it works from the individual to truly want to be with Jesus follow his ways and want to be good for evermore that opens the dooor to Jesus ?

Coz surely God would hand everyone over to the son if people confessed Jesus is lord... I mean surely by now the whole world as learned that if you believe Jesus is lord you will have eternal life..

And surely everyone would talk to God and say God i believe this can i have eternal life..

I mean who wouldnt want to believe this with the prospect having eternal life... (conclusion people could quite easily say this to gain access...

What is left ?...

The father will examine your heart to see if you do believe and only when he feels that your intensions are Good will he hand you over to his KIngdom and the ways of his son..

What does this mean ?

It means if God handed everyone over they may not bare fruits for far to long for Jesus to carry on with his works in you.... meaning The works of Jesus would go to watse...

What does this mean ? It means that not everyone who confesses Jesus is Lord will be saved at that instance coz God has to examine your heart first to if your ready...

I could post this thread so that the whole world could see it and read that if you confess this now you will be saved..
LETS TRY IT..

LETS SEE IF IT COULD HAPPEN LETS STAGE A WORLD WIDE EVENT. so that everyone hears it live from streaming to live tv to podcasts to internet to satellite to broadcom to the whole world lets have a once in a life time event....

Will that happen ? if 1 3rd of the world satys awake for 24 hours it would ,,,,, we can only hope for this...

Lets say it happens andd everyone in the whole world confesses that Jesus is lord,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, will the who world recieve eternal life in at that instance ?

I think not coz there will be many who ask in return for something.... People should know that its one thing believing its a nother thing doing.. God bless the King..

Now is it at all possible that the father also keeps some for him self ? meaning he saves then alone ?

JIMBO43 · Jun 3, 2017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLqTZ07ja7g<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLqTZ07ja7g" target="_blank">[video=youtube;eLqTZ07ja7g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLqTZ07ja7g[/video]

Ariel82 · Jun 3, 2017

blessedjohn80 said:

I am glad you clarified what you mean when you say "sealed with the Holy Spirit".

However,Jesus ascended then He sent His holy spirit.

If we are more careful how we express our beliefs, it's less likely folks will misunderstand them.

It's one of the devil's schemes to twist unclear words and cause strife between God's children.

JIMBO43 · Jun 3, 2017

[video=youtube;6Lfo2IPvXMw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Lfo2IPvXMw[/video]

BillG · Jun 3, 2017

[video]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cXKvdgGFfAc[/video]

BillG · Jun 3, 2017

Jesus you are greater, greater than it all.

Thank that you are and that you know us.

JIMBO43 · Jun 3, 2017

The father knows your heart just as well as Jesus does in my opinion..

BillG · Jun 3, 2017

[video]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fVk7jhvhrLY[/video]

O how could it be?

BillG · Jun 3, 2017

Is all well with your soul?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dKi7dePvoK0

If so thank Jesus.

If you know of people that is not sing this song for them.
That all will be well with their soul.

BillG · Jun 3, 2017

Who are we here for

[video]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FjBMvqDn4Fs[/video]

JIMBO43 · Jun 3, 2017

[video=youtube;qerKhqT4Nwo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qerKhqT4Nwo[/video]

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