Not By Works
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Uummm..... WHAT?
Gee, how many statements did I make in 11262 & 11262?
Oh, here's all those "antagonistic" statements I made in those pages.
I better post them all because the Mods & Admins are probably reading about these terrible antagonistic statements you claim I make & point me:
Yep, that's all of them, Admins.
Yep..... you've said to peterjens & myself before that we're going to hell for what we believed..... mostly because we don't believe what you do.
Gee, how many statements did I make in 11262 & 11262?
Oh, here's all those "antagonistic" statements I made in those pages.
I better post them all because the Mods & Admins are probably reading about these terrible antagonistic statements you claim I make & point me:
Yep, that's all of them, Admins.
Yep..... you've said to peterjens & myself before that we're going to hell for what we believed..... mostly because we don't believe what you do.
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I don't even pretend to speak for G777 but will make the following statements....
a. Our birth is spiritual (born again of the spirit)
b. Our spiritul birth is of incorruptable SEED (cannot be corrupted, beyond the abilty to be corrupted)
c. Our spiritual birth results in the SEAL of God (by the Holy Spirit)
d. That seal stands sure in the fact that God KNOWS all who are his (THE seal identifies us as belonging to God)
e. It is the SPIRIT that we have that has been BORN of GOD and does NOT SIN because it is (incorruptable) <-John
Jesus speaks to this when he speaks to his saved, immersed disciples that is identifed as a church atleast twice in te preent tense when he states, "The spirit is indeed willing, but the flesh is weak"
God's kingdom is SPIRITUAL, GOD is SPIRIT, OUR BIRTH is spiritual and the flesh profits nothing.....the body is dead because of sin, not subject unto the word of God, neither indeed can be.....however...the SPIRIT that is born of incorruptable seed always seeks to do right, is sinless and eternally secure in Christ......Jesus, John and Paul all cover this...though rejected, denied and swept under the rug by many.....especially those who teach salvation can be lost or gained and kept by works.............
a. Our birth is spiritual (born again of the spirit)
b. Our spiritul birth is of incorruptable SEED (cannot be corrupted, beyond the abilty to be corrupted)
c. Our spiritual birth results in the SEAL of God (by the Holy Spirit)
d. That seal stands sure in the fact that God KNOWS all who are his (THE seal identifies us as belonging to God)
e. It is the SPIRIT that we have that has been BORN of GOD and does NOT SIN because it is (incorruptable) <-John
Jesus speaks to this when he speaks to his saved, immersed disciples that is identifed as a church atleast twice in te preent tense when he states, "The spirit is indeed willing, but the flesh is weak"
God's kingdom is SPIRITUAL, GOD is SPIRIT, OUR BIRTH is spiritual and the flesh profits nothing.....the body is dead because of sin, not subject unto the word of God, neither indeed can be.....however...the SPIRIT that is born of incorruptable seed always seeks to do right, is sinless and eternally secure in Christ......Jesus, John and Paul all cover this...though rejected, denied and swept under the rug by many.....especially those who teach salvation can be lost or gained and kept by works.............
We are in the Clearwater/St Petersburg Florida area. 
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Do some people believe that working out their salvation means reaching entire sanctification in this lifetime in order to maintain their salvation?
I believe we are being sanctified in this life and will,be glorified in the world to come, when Jesus returns.
He seems to espouse the same fallacy Jimbo espouses.......our spiritual birth is instaneous the moment we believe.....it is not a process that badda bing happens at the end.....was saved the moment I believed, am saved right now and will continue to be saved until the day Christ finishes me with a glorified body.........my eternal inheritance, reward and position in the kingdom is based upon my level of faithfulness and or lack thereof...........verb tense forever settled in my mind the security of all who genuinely believe the ONE true gospel...a present continuing result from a past completed action.........
More proof of your desire to do nothing but cause division and contention...Jesus did not die for the angels, nor do they have a choice, hell was made or the third that fell and they believe in GOD, (JAMES) but no proof of any chance at redemption.....
so..what is your point other than to devalue the truth....?
so..what is your point other than to devalue the truth....?
The bible is clear......ONE DOOR, ONE correct message (gospel) not two, three or fifty......JESUS was clear....the number is plenteous that come before him espousing the same doctrine the workers for espouse.
a. They claim to know JESUS
b. They boast of their works <----faith plus works to gain entrance = a differnet door than the one given
c. The expect to enter heaven
Gospel of HETEROS (different KIND) translated another in Galatians 1
NO POWER
DOUBLE CURSED
FOOLISH
BEWITCHED
The answer is clear..........Salvation by JESUS, BY faith void of works, based upon GRACE and the gift of GOD in Christ and his work
a. They claim to know JESUS
b. They boast of their works <----faith plus works to gain entrance = a differnet door than the one given
c. The expect to enter heaven
Gospel of HETEROS (different KIND) translated another in Galatians 1
NO POWER
DOUBLE CURSED
FOOLISH
BEWITCHED
The answer is clear..........Salvation by JESUS, BY faith void of works, based upon GRACE and the gift of GOD in Christ and his work
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If you know and believe that we are saved by grace... kept by grace and grow in grace when we abide in Jesus then there is no sinless spirit doctrine, there is a however a doctrine which teaches us that Jesus is our well of righteousness where we never thirst because we rest in His work.
No more counting our numerous failures but rather looking upon Him and His victory the one who succeeded in conquering death and sin.
No more counting our numerous failures but rather looking upon Him and His victory the one who succeeded in conquering death and sin.