Born Again Vs. Saved
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Pretty much everything I talk about on this forum... that's why people hate what I say so much lol.
2 Corinthians 3:6 KJV
Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
Probably 10 out of 10 people on this forum will say the letter is the old testament and the spirit is the Holy Spirit or maybe the new testament because in the verses following, Paul talks about the ministration of death.
Paul said the LETTER KILLETH! The letter is the words written on paper, old testament or new, the spirit is the TRUE meaning of those written words.
Example:
Matthew 5:30 KJV
And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
The letter - works salvation... DO - Cut off your right hand to save YOURSELF from hell.
The Spirit - Jesus is the right hand, the right hand represents salvation. Jesus is at the RIGHT HAND of the father, Grace - The new testament is on the RIGHT SIDE of the bible. The RIGHT HAND was cut off so that we the body would not be cast into hell.
I have to leave and don't have time to proof... I hope it's not full of mistakes.
2 Corinthians 3:6 KJV
Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
Probably 10 out of 10 people on this forum will say the letter is the old testament and the spirit is the Holy Spirit or maybe the new testament because in the verses following, Paul talks about the ministration of death.
Paul said the LETTER KILLETH! The letter is the words written on paper, old testament or new, the spirit is the TRUE meaning of those written words.
Example:
Matthew 5:30 KJV
And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
The letter - works salvation... DO - Cut off your right hand to save YOURSELF from hell.
The Spirit - Jesus is the right hand, the right hand represents salvation. Jesus is at the RIGHT HAND of the father, Grace - The new testament is on the RIGHT SIDE of the bible. The RIGHT HAND was cut off so that we the body would not be cast into hell.
I have to leave and don't have time to proof... I hope it's not full of mistakes.
First up the Scriptures that you quote do not prove your proposition!
Secondly, it is clear that you have a very clear agenda in wanting to separate the concepts of being born again with salvation.
You having taken the coin, sawed it in half and now staring at the two faces of that coin, admittedly a bit different, but still part of the same coin, you are trying to convince us that they really are separate.
So, lets cut to the chase:
Why don't YOU tell us what your great theory is rather than trying to lead us all around by the nose.
I see a much bigger agenda here (especially taking other posts and threads into account) so why don't you just spit it all out so we can all see where you really stand instead of trying to fudge which is exactly what you are doing currently.
Secondly, it is clear that you have a very clear agenda in wanting to separate the concepts of being born again with salvation.
You having taken the coin, sawed it in half and now staring at the two faces of that coin, admittedly a bit different, but still part of the same coin, you are trying to convince us that they really are separate.
So, lets cut to the chase:
Why don't YOU tell us what your great theory is rather than trying to lead us all around by the nose.
I see a much bigger agenda here (especially taking other posts and threads into account) so why don't you just spit it all out so we can all see where you really stand instead of trying to fudge which is exactly what you are doing currently.
Being born again is what happens at salvation. John 3:3 except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. The wind blows where it lists and you hear the sound but cannot tell where it comes and where it goes, so is everyone that is born of the Spirit. Birth is something that happens in a few moments of time(usually), the context shows us that Jesus was speaking of an experience with the Holy Spirit that changes the spirit of the person in a moment of time. I think being born again by the renewing of our mind is referring to something more akin to having our minds changed by bible study.
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Nicodemus asked Jesus what must he do to inherit eternal life. He said to him you must be born again, how he asked, of the spirit. Your saved from spiritual death, when you accept him he recreates us new, as in born of the Father's spirit. Looked on web, says their equivalent same thing. To me a person could be saved, today, or a week, a year, or ten, but if your born, then you need to grow, this is the problem some believe, saved, and sow your wild oates, no spiritual growth. Staying a baby, in the milk, where as we should grow into maturity and partake of strong food, as meat, bible verse.
If you're saved you're going to heaven.
The one requirement is simply... no matter what kind of flesh a person is born with .If any man has not the born again Spirit of Christ then neither do they belong to Christ. God purfies the heart of one by a work of his faith just as he does another putting no differnce between the two
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
There are many that say the Old testament saints did not have the Spirit of Christ, the Holy Spirit of God in them. But then why when Christ said it is finished as the promised glory, having stood in the judgment seat of Christ where their grave opened and tens of thousands of saints that did have the Spirit of Christ were waiting the result of the trial where translated into the new Jerusalem the fist resurrection. they had the gospel that loked ahead to the sufering and the glory that followed just as we look back by the same ine faith, Christ's
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Pe 1:11 Searching what, or what "manner of time" the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
Nope, it is not the second birth, he is looking for evidence of conversion. You say they are saved, he stood in doubt of them (next verse). Show us all where Paul or Scripture says they were saved. Where in Galatians does it say they were saved? It's not there, is it? This is reaching again and adding things to Scripture that are not stated.
Nope, it is not the second birth, he is looking for evidence of conversion. You say they are saved, he stood in doubt of them (next verse). Show us all where Paul or Scripture says they were saved. Where in Galatians does it say they were saved? It's not there, is it? This is reaching again and adding things to Scripture that are not stated. Please graduate from "a verse" to actual context.
Looks like some believe others are saved but only become "born again" when they become Ruckmanites, 1611'ers or KJVO'ers. Good thing the thief on the cross didn't believe that, Christ saved him and gave him eternal life without a 1611 being present.
Gipp and "company" probably have a problem with that.
Gipp and "company" probably have a problem with that.
He who begun the good work of salvation in us according to His seed as Christ in us will finish His work. We have his confidence we study according to the comandment to seek His aproval. He causes the growth.
Phi 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
Phi 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
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