Why Were the Jewish Feasts, Gods Feasts, Removed from Christianity.

[Desertsrose]

Take for instance the Feast of Tabernacles. To observe it would require an annual trip to Jerusalem, and meeting a long list of requirements that wouldn't be practical for most Christians in the world. There wouldn't likely be enough tree branches for everyone to make and dwell in stick huts. The feast calls for sacrifices by fire. That hasn't been done even by Jews during the past two millennia. In it's heyday God rejected their offerings anyway through prophecies due to the spiritual adultery of Israel.

The benefit was to and for Israel in remembrance of how God provided for the Hebrews during the exodus from Egypt, and provides celebration of the future dwelling of men and God, which was available when Jesus entered Jerusalem on the donkey. The spiritual adultery continued on, resulting in the Jews rejecting that longed-for relationship that is now make for us who believe on Jesus our Christ, having the Lord indwelling us by his holy spirit. It isn't necessary to go seek him out in Jerusalem.

Hi Swordsman, All the feasts point to Jesus. Some have been fulfilled in Jesus like the Passover. Jesus is our Passover Lamb so that's been fulfilled in Jesus.

When the day comes for Jesus to rule and reign on the earth, He will fulfill the Feast of Tabernacles. Here's a chart you might find useful. The last 3 are a future event, still to be fulfilled at Jesus' return.



If someone wants to celebrate the feasts, it's a good thing. It's either looking back to what Jesus has done or it's looking forward to the three that haven't been fulfilled yet.

Like when we take communion with the bread and the wine, we're looking back at Jesus redeeming us from the death of our sins being the Passover Lamb who died for us and forgave us our sins. Baptism does the same, we look back at the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus and do it symbolically as if we died with Him 2000 years ago and were buried with Him and resurrected with Him.

So if one celebrates the Feasts in that way it's a good thing.

 

[followjesus]

It wasn't just the feasts that were removed. A whole lot of other stuff was removed, as well. I don't know why, but it would be a cumbersome load to carry, I think. We Christians have our own disciplines.

the entire Law of moses was nailed to the cross, not the ten commandments, but everything in the book of the Law of moses. Not only is it removed, but it was and still is to teach us the meaning of what Jesus means and has accomplished for us. it is still useful in many ways to help us understand the gospel.

He is our passover lamb (john 1:29), He is the "true bread" from heaven ( john 6:51)the unleavened bread, He has made His followers the "firstfruits" ( james 1:18) pentecost points to (acts 2:1), the trumpets, i dont really understand besides the sounding of remembrance and possibly the trumpets to gather Gods people. the day of atonement points to the day Jesus atoned for our sins, the "booths" point to Jesus living in the living tabernacle of the Lord, and we who dwell in Him. ( john 2:21, 1 corinthians 6:19, john 14:20) just like the seven feasts, everything in the mosaic Law , was a foretelling of Jesus in some manner.

 

[Denadii]

Only Holy days are acceptable. no holidays. God's Holy days as listed in the old testament.

Wow...The root of holiday is holy day....So now we can have holidays Why were the Jewish Feasts, God's Feasts Removed from Christianity?

 

[followjesus]

MATT. 5:18.
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law,
till all be fulfilled.

the covenant Law the 10 commandments.

deuteronomy 4:13 "And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.

exodus 25:16 "Then put in the ark the tablets of the covenant law, which I will give you.the book of the mosaic Law


the mosaic Law

deuteronomy 31: 26 "Take this Book of the Law and place it beside the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God. There it will remain as a witness against you.

colossians 2:14 "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
the mosaic Law, hundreds of individual ordinances including the death sentances for sinners was against those who broke the covenant law, it allowed no repentance for say...and adulterer, commanded to be put to death no mercy. or a kid who dishonored thier parent also a death sentance commanded in the Law of moses. also commands so many ordinances of sacrifice, preisthood laws, mold control, cleansing rites. this is what paul says is naled to the cross, its not what Jesus is referring to there, He is talking about the ten commandments Gods covenant Law, thats an eternal Law written By Gods finger on stone.

the Law of moses is the Law of judaism, its what pauls main opponent was they insisted christians be circumcized and follow the mosaic Law in order to be saved. the ten Commandments are eternally valid, the mosaic Law has been removed by the fulfillment and death of Jesus. and His gospel is the Law that is a witness for us, Our advocate instead of the mosaic Law that was a witness against sinners and allowed no repentance, the gospel is a call to repentance, through His forgiveness and mercy and the better Word.

 

[Denadii]

the entire Law of moses was nailed to the cross, not the ten commandments, but everything in the book of the Law of moses. Not only is it removed, but it was and still is to teach us the meaning of what Jesus means and has accomplished for us. it is still useful in many ways to help us understand the gospel.

He is our passover lamb (john 1:29), He is the "true bread" from heaven ( john 6:51)the unleavened bread, He has made His followers the "firstfruits" ( james 1:18) pentecost points to (acts 2:1), the trumpets, i dont really understand besides the sounding of remembrance and possibly the trumpets to gather Gods people. the day of atonement points to the day Jesus atoned for our sins, the "booths" point to Jesus living in the living tabernacle of the Lord, and we who dwell in Him. ( john 2:21, 1 corinthians 6:19, john 14:20) just like the seven feasts, everything in the mosaic Law , was a foretelling of Jesus in some manner.

Your statement that you think we Christians have our own disciplines.....That's kind of scary don't you think? We should be living by Gods standards, not ours...

 

[Denadii]

Wow...The root of holiday is holy day....So now we can have holidays Why were the Jewish Feasts, God's Feasts Removed from Christianity?

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[Denadii]

the entire Law of moses was nailed to the cross, not the ten commandments, but everything in the book of the Law of moses. Not only is it removed, but it was and still is to teach us the meaning of what Jesus means and has accomplished for us. it is still useful in many ways to help us understand the gospel.

He is our passover lamb (john 1:29), He is the "true bread" from heaven ( john 6:51)the unleavened bread, He has made His followers the "firstfruits" ( james 1:18) pentecost points to (acts 2:1), the trumpets, i dont really understand besides the sounding of remembrance and possibly the trumpets to gather Gods people. the day of atonement points to the day Jesus atoned for our sins, the "booths" point to Jesus living in the living tabernacle of the Lord, and we who dwell in Him. ( john 2:21, 1 corinthians 6:19, john 14:20) just like the seven feasts, everything in the mosaic Law , was a foretelling of Jesus in some manner.

FJ Are you saying that the law is gone too? I'm not following you very well here.

 

[followjesus]

Your statement that you think we Christians have our own disciplines.....That's kind of scary don't you think? We should be living by Gods standards, not ours...

naw you are misundertanding. we Live by Jesus Christs " standards" were Christ ians. we dont Live by Moses satandards such as stone the sinner show no mercy...instead, we Live by " let He who is among you without sin, cast the first stone.

Jesus taught this, not me

matthew 7:1-2 "Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.<<< consistant teaching in the gospel

 

[Denadii]

Amos 5:21-23New International Version (NIV)

21 “I hate, I despise your religious festivals;
your assemblies are a stench to me.
22 Even though you bring me burnt offerings and grain offerings,
I will not accept them.
Though you bring choice fellowship offerings,
I will have no regard for them.
23 Away with the noise of your songs!
I will not listen to the music of your harps.

You should finish the book of Amos

 

[followjesus]

FJ Are you saying that the law is gone too? I'm not following you very well here.

im saying the book of the mosaic Law, is not meant for christians to follow, but to learn of Jesus. it was a witness against sinners. the only thing removed is the Mosaic Law, not the covenant Law the ten commandments, those are Gods Law, the perfect Law. the book of moses is the judaic Law. it has over 350 individual ordinances, laws, punishments, tings Like cleansing rites so many things that are fulfilled in the gospel. we died to the mosaic Law because the mosaic Law is a wtiness against sinners. Jesus came to sinners to call them to repentance through His gospel. then He died removing the mosaic Laws testimony against sinners, and sealed His testimony of the gospel. thats a witness or advocate for sinners.

it says " even though you have sinned, repent and i will forgive you and wipe away your sins. this was impossible under the mosaic Law, because of commands in it like this

leviticus 20:And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. 11And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. 12And if a man lie with his daughter in law, both of them shall surely be put to death: they have wrought confusion; their blood shall be upon them. 13If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. 14And if a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire, both he and they; that there be no wickedness among you. 15And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and ye shall slay the beast. 16And if a woman approach unto any beast, and lie down thereto, thou shalt kill the woman, and the beast: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. and many more like this



we learn from the Law its a good place to learn about the Lord, but we dont follow the mosaic Law. the mosaic Law is a book of all the ordinances and pnishments, preisthood laws, sacrificial Laws given through moses. we have all those new things in Christ, he is our High priest, Our sacrifice, our shepherd, Our mediator, ect.... christians, follow Jesus. Moses was foretelling what God was going to do through Jesus.

the covenant Law the 10 commandments.

deuteronomy 4:13 "And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.

exodus 25:16 "Then put in the ark the tablets of the covenant law, which I will give you.the book of the mosaic Law


the mosaic Law

deuteronomy 31: 26 "Take this Book of the Law and place it beside the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God. There it will remain as a witness against you. <<< this is why the mosaic book of the Law has been removedcolossians 2:14 "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

instead of Having a witness against us at the side of Gods glory, Now we have an advocate for us at the right hand of God.

 

[Denadii]

naw you are misundertanding. we Live by Jesus Christs " standards" were Christ ians. we dont Live by Moses satandards such as stone the sinner show no mercy...instead, we Live by " let He who is among you without sin, cast the first stone.

Jesus taught this, not me

matthew 7:1-2 "Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.<<< consistant teaching in the gospel

Ok...Then my question still stands...These are Gods feasts....We are Gods children ....So why do Gods children not celebrate Gods feasts?

 

[followjesus]

Ok...Then my question still stands...These are Gods feasts....We are Gods children ....So why do Gods children not celebrate Gods feasts?

Have you read the feasts?

do you sacrifice the lambs, and follow those details in them? what would we sacrifice and offer burnt offerings to the Lord when Jesus has already fulfilled the sacrifices and offerings?


I mean, im not saying you or anyone has to listen to me at all, but the feasts had a purpose and Jesus fulfilled them and Gave us the communion feast. im not sure christians, are to adhere to Gods Laws given to isrealites in the desert of sin, when they are ordinances that have no value. our remembrance is through Communion " do this in remembrance of me"

but you know, people should follow thier faith, could be that im not there yet and others have a better grasp of it. Just poffering some thoughts there.

 

[stonesoffire]

"sigh"

I thought it was the penalty of the law of sin and death that was taken away.

The first commandment, plus the New commandment written within or a part of our very nature now since we are no longer flesh but Spirit...is lived out.

 

[Denadii]

Have you read the feasts?

do you sacrifice the lambs, and follow those details in them? what would we sacrifice and offer burnt offerings to the Lord when Jesus has already fulfilled the sacrifices and offerings?


I mean, im not saying you or anyone has to listen to me at all, but the feasts had a purpose and Jesus fulfilled them and Gave us the communion feast. im not sure christians, are to adhere to Gods Laws given to isrealites in the desert of sin, when they are ordinances that have no value. our remembrance is through Communion " do this in remembrance of me"

but you know, people should follow thier faith, could be that im not there yet and others have a better grasp of it. Just poffering some thoughts there.

We celebrated Passover in April...There is no sacrifice....You buy kosher lamb, no problem, you buy the other things too, for Passover meal...No problem All of the ceremony is done for Passover meal and celebration without the sacrifice....Here's the difference...We're Christians....The Lamb has already been sacrificed, no need for another...Where the unsaved Jews celebrate release from slavery, the saved Jews and the rest of us Christians celebrate our deliverance from sin and death. The other feasts of God go the same way.

Of course people should listen to you my friend....You are a priceless member of our family

 

[dcontroversal]

Pictures, types and shadows pointing to Christ, his work, his fellowship, his sacrifice etc...............and some were supplanted with a New application under the New Covenant and for the Lord's churches.....................

 

[beta]

Wow...The root of holiday is holy day....So now we can have holidays Why were the Jewish Feasts, God's Feasts Removed from Christianity?

Holiday is a PERVERTED version of Holy day and that is clearly displayed in the way people TRAMPLE all over what is Holy to God like a herd of cattle that know no better. Scripture tells us to 'take your foot off God's holy day....and Moses was told to take his shoes off - but people today do neither because 'they think' they know better.
It is not that the feasts and holy days were removed but christianity is removed from them. Remember, UNgodly men crept in after they had killed the original Apostles and setting up their own perverted religion....detatched and separate from Israel.

 

[resurrection33]

the entire Law of moses was nailed to the cross, not the ten commandments, but everything in the book of the Law of moses. Not only is it removed, but it was and still is to teach us the meaning of what Jesus means and has accomplished for us. it is still useful in many ways to help us understand the gospel.

He is our passover lamb (john 1:29), He is the "true bread" from heaven ( john 6:51)the unleavened bread, He has made His followers the "firstfruits" ( james 1:18) pentecost points to (acts 2:1), the trumpets, i dont really understand besides the sounding of remembrance and possibly the trumpets to gather Gods people. the day of atonement points to the day Jesus atoned for our sins, the "booths" point to Jesus living in the living tabernacle of the Lord, and we who dwell in Him. ( john 2:21, 1 corinthians 6:19, john 14:20) just like the seven feasts, everything in the mosaic Law , was a foretelling of Jesus in some manner.

I think there are some things in the Old Testament that were meant for all time. If homosexuality was a sin then, then it is a sin today. I just don't think we are required to follow the same method of worship that was required of the Jews.

 

[beta]

I think there are some things in the Old Testament that were meant for all time. If homosexuality was a sin then, then it is a sin today. I just don't think we are required to follow the same method of worship that was required of the Jews.

Of course we are not ! They followed Moses - WE follow Christ....or we should ! Thing is that most STILL FOLLOW PAUL with some of his writings hard to understand and thus misunderstand/twist scripture and never move on from their errors.
I am not accusing them because all of us get things wrong at times...but the difference is we acknowledge error as we grow and learn.

Paul says to 'follow him as he follows Christ' and that means 'moving up the ladder to a HIGHER level ! Paul was after all only a man and never the final authority. He brings people To Christ....our walk does not finish with Paul...who sadly can leave people 'in confusion when they pin all their understanding on him and refuse to take instruction from 'on high !

 

[Denadii]

Of course we are not ! They followed Moses - WE follow Christ....or we should ! Thing is that most STILL FOLLOW PAUL with some of his writings hard to understand and thus misunderstand/twist scripture and never move on from their errors.
I am not accusing them because all of us get things wrong at times...but the difference is we acknowledge error as we grow and learn.

Paul says to 'follow him as he follows Christ' and that means 'moving up the ladder to a HIGHER level ! Paul was after all only a man and never the final authority. He brings people To Christ....our walk does not finish with Paul...who sadly can leave people 'in confusion when they pin all their understanding on him and refuse to take instruction from 'on high !

My question stands...If they are Gods feasts why do we ignore them..Jesus is God.

[FONT=&quot]The Feast of Trumpets and the Return of Christ[/FONT]​

[FONT=&quot] God's plan for humanity, the Jewish feasts, the signs which precede the very close return of Jesus, and the rapture of all those who will be ready.[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]The Feasts of the Lord[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Chapter 23 of the book of Leviticus presents all of the seven holy solemn feasts the people of Israel were to observe according to the ordinance given by God to Moses. Each feast represents a prophetic sign concerning the life and ministry of the Lord Jesus-Christ. These signs apply, consequently, also to the Church, the Body of Christ. The entire plan of God for humanity is, in an extraordinary manner, revealed by the nature and the exact dates of the seven feasts of the LORD that the Israelites were to observe. The entire destiny of the human race unfolds between the first and the last feast. God's calendar is based on the phases of the moon. Every Jewish month begins immediately after a new moon.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Here are the feasts and their dates:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]- The Passover Feast: the 14th day of the month of Nisan. The first full moon of spring.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]- The Feast of Unleavened Bread: the 15th to the 22nd of the month of Nisan.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]- The Feast of Firstfruits: the first day of the week following the Sabbath of the Passover in the month of Nissan. It could be 16th of the month, if the 15th was the Sabbath day. Otherwise, it would have to wait until the first day of the week following the first Sabbath day of the Passover.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]- The Feast of weeks (or Pentecost): the sixth day of the month of Sivan.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]- The Feast of Trumpets: the first day of the month of Tishrei.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]- The Day of Atonement: the 10th day of the month of Tishrei.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]- The Feast of Tabernacles: the15th day of the month of Tishrei.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The Spring Feasts:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] A. Pesach (Feast of the Passover – Leviticus 23: 5). The Jewish religious calendar begins the day of this feast. This day commemorates the sacrifice of the lamb in the land of Egypt, which marked the people of Israel's final deliverance. The blood of the lamb was applied to the doorposts and lintel of the every house, so that the Lord seeing the blood passed over the house and did not let the destroyer enter to strike the inhabitants. Spiritual significance for the Church: This feast represents the death of the Lord Jesus, which occurred the same day as the Passover. The Lamb of God redeemed us from the slavery of sin, the flesh, the world and the devil. Our "house" (our body) is marked by the blood of the Lamb, that precious blood that redeemed us. The year in which our Lord died, the day of the Passover (the 14th day of the month of Nisan) would have had to have been a Wednesday, in order for the Lord to have been in the tomb for three days and three nights. The "Good Friday" is then a tradition without biblical or historical foundation. The Passover also represents our death in Jesus-Christ.[/FONT]

 

[followjesus]

We celebrated Passover in April...There is no sacrifice....You buy kosher lamb, no problem, you buy the other things too, for Passover meal...No problem All of the ceremony is done for Passover meal and celebration without the sacrifice....Here's the difference...We're Christians....The Lamb has already been sacrificed, no need for another...Where the unsaved Jews celebrate release from slavery, the saved Jews and the rest of us Christians celebrate our deliverance from sin and death. The other feasts of God go the same way.

Of course people should listen to you my friend....You are a priceless member of our family

How do you look at communion?

isnt that the body of the Lamb....and the Lambs blood? i think for me it comes down to the new covenant. im not at all saying you shouldnt or its wrong for you to do so, it actually sounds like a nice thing to do. i find that the passover, for me, is kept through communion, remembering the deliverance from sin and death by partaking of the body and blood of the Lords passover Lamb

i think there is good scriptural support for people following thier faith in matters like this

romans 14:5-9 "One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.7For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. 8For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's. 9For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.10But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.


it goes on but its pretty Long...the idea is rather than us deciding that a person should or shouldnt keep sabbaths and festivals, each should do what thier faith tells them about such things, because otherwise, thier conscience will be affected. and it becomes a stumbling block. so i hope you understand im not saying yu are wrong to keep the passover, sounds like a good thing for you to do. im just saying, the feasts of the law, are fulfilled in Christ as to a requirement. so either way, the person should follow thier own conscience in matters like days and festivals and sabbaths and ordinances of the Law. as Long as they are giving thanks to the Lord

God bless bro