Why Were the Jewish Feasts, Gods Feasts, Removed from Christianity.

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As a jew I feel qualified to answer this and here goes:

When gentiles who are in the hebrew roots movement claim to be keeping the jewish feasts sabbaths and holy days, very rarely do they know what is involved in 'keeping' these. Its not merely not working on a specific day, a lot of the feasts include animal sacrifices and other type of sacrifices.
Now we all know these hebrew roots guys do not do those things, why is that? Because they realize Jesus was the one and only sacrifice so they know animal sacrifices are no longer required, so what they are actually doing is they are ~25% keeping the feasts and holy days and sabbaths.
And thats not how it works, you go 100% or 0%.

Yet another thing this movement overlooks is that the majority of christians today and in the early church were gentiles which means that to require someone to keep jewish feasts etc is a major burden upon them because they dont know how to observe them. Not to mention, many of them are uncircumcised which means they are automatically 'cut off' from the covenant they claim to still be under.

All this to say that if you love the jewish feasts and sabbaths, half-way keep em all you like, I personally still 'keep' the sabbath out of habit, but dont go around asking or demanding others to keep them, certainly dont go as far as the SDA and claim sunday worship is the mark of the beast, thats pure hogwash.

Colossians 2:16 comes to mind as well, and lets not forget Jesus said if ye love me keep MY commandments and He never told anyone to keep the sabbath or holy days. Neither was it asked of Noah or anyone preceding the Mosaic law.
 

miknik5

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I did answer in #56 why christians don't keep the feasts or holy days.....
it is not that they were removed from christianity rather the other way round....
christianity in their ignorance allowed themselves to be moved away from God's commandments by UNgodly men who perverted GOD's Word ! They have followed a 'false jesus' originating from Rome and have 'forsaken the true Jesus of yesterday who gave His life for them for today and all time....so their (the christians) punishment is to walk in ignorance / darkness and disobedience UNTIL they turn and repent !!!
At present only a few are heeding the warning to come out of the confused religious systems captivating this world and deceiving it...it is high time to wake out of sleep Eph 5v14; Rom 13v11.

The road to destruction is broad and wide and ''many there be on it' ...even those who call 'Lord, Lord but not doing what He says Lk 6v46.
The thing is 'we can only serve 'one Jesus, either the real one who does not change or the imposter who has already changed things to cause DISunity and strife among people.
The true Jesus (of yesterday????) is the same JESUS today

and all are called to honor HIM

JUST AS

they honor THE FATHER


The true Jesus wil sort out the imposters

when HE comes again
 

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#83
Right Christians do not follow the Mosaic law. Well We do but not the same way...
Matthew 22:36-40 (KJV)

[SUP]36 [/SUP]Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

[SUP]37 [/SUP]Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[SUP]38 [/SUP]This is the first and great commandment.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[SUP]40 [/SUP]On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

All of The Mosaic Law and all of the teaching of the prophets are based on these two laws...Keep these two and you keep all of the OT law.
But I'm not talking about the law...I'm talking about feasts
Who is it that has magnified THE LAW and made it honorable?
(reference Isaiah 42)

based on live and accountability to GOD and one another


how do you feel about THE SON of GOD saying you have heard it said and it is written but then following up with these opening statements:

BUT I SAY TO YOU_______
(Matthew 5)
 

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#84
A question to ponder.....Who benefits?
Its too easy to get into a working based mindset. Its our default most times. What can we do to please God?

Galatians 5:1 [FONT=&quot]Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

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I think its very good to do studies on the feasts. Maybe even try to attend one. But I don't think its a good idea to make a religion out of it.
 

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#85
And you are spreading lies about why Christians do not celebrate feasts and observe days according Jewish custom based on the Mosaic covenant.
IF that is what I was saying I would be spreading lies ! but NO, we are not to keep Moses law nor jewish customs....is that CLEAR enough ? WE ARE TO FOLLOW CHRIST !!!
 

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#86
IF that is what I was saying I would be spreading lies ! but NO, we are not to keep Moses law nor jewish customs....is that CLEAR enough ? WE ARE TO FOLLOW CHRIST !!!
That is clearer yes

but HE also said not a jot or a tittle will pass until all has been accomplished

the reason is that not all men are under CHRIST and therefore are not born of and led by HIS SPIRIT and therefore do not follow the spirit of the law and therefore do not rightly handle the requirements of the law
 

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#87
Any foreigner who wished to celebrate the Passover had to be circumcised


that was an outward sign of a covenant

do all truly celebrate The Passover?

only those who are truly circumcised
(and that circumcision done by GOD on the inward flesh of the heart )

Who is arguing with that ? Things were done 'physically in the OT...
NOW we have circumcision of the heart....and I have not spoken against it...why bring it up ?
 

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#88
Who is arguing with that ? Things were done 'physically in the OT...
NOW we have circumcision of the heart....and I have not spoken against it...why bring it up ?
Because I initially thought you were speaking against the TRUTH of THE NEW COVENANT

I apologize for misunderstanding

it appeared you were implying that all should be going backwards when they have already been baptized into CHRIST JESUS

but not all have been baptized into CHRIST JESUS
 

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IF that is what I was saying I would be spreading lies ! but NO, we are not to keep Moses law nor jewish customs....is that CLEAR enough ? WE ARE TO FOLLOW CHRIST !!!
I went back to you post that I commented on originally, as well as the post that you referenced yourself (#56), to make sure that I had not go the wrong end of the stick.
As far as I can see I had not.

If your latest post now says that no Christian is required to keep the requirements of Mosaic law, particularly with respect to the feasts and holy days, which are the topic of this thread, how do you explain those two previous posts?

If I have really misinterpreted, somehow, then I will apologise unreservedly.
 

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Because the Roman Catholic Church Paganized Christianity
Exactly so ! UNGODLY men brought in their own religious beliefs after they killed all the original sabbath-keeping Apostles...hence christianity has remained in ignorance of Truth and continue to keep up the veil of hatred and partition .
Nobody is talking about going back to 'jewish traditions but to ''walk with Jesus 24/7 as His disciple from the time He started His Ministry !
 

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#91
yep they continued in abominations until they broke the covenant, and He turned His face from them. just like He said He would do when Moses died.
Well
thankfully He said more than that didn't HE?

Deuteronomy 18
Jeremiah 31
 
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Of course we are not ! They followed Moses - WE follow Christ....or we should ! Thing is that most STILL FOLLOW PAUL with some of his writings hard to understand and thus misunderstand/twist scripture and never move on from their errors.
I am not accusing them because all of us get things wrong at times...but the difference is we acknowledge error as we grow and learn.

Paul says to 'follow him as he follows Christ' and that means 'moving up the ladder to a HIGHER level ! Paul was after all only a man and never the final authority. He brings people To Christ....our walk does not finish with Paul...who sadly can leave people 'in confusion when they pin all their understanding on him and refuse to take instruction from 'on high !
Yes, somehow people have got it in their heads that Paul was on a level with Jesus. And if you say they are wrong, they accuse you of being anti-Christian.
 

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Exactly so ! UNGODLY men brought in their own religious beliefs after they killed all the original sabbath-keeping Apostles...hence christianity has remained in ignorance of Truth and continue to keep up the veil of hatred and partition .
Nobody is talking about going back to 'jewish traditions but to ''walk with Jesus 24/7 as His disciple from the time He started His Ministry !
The VEIL in which those born of HIS SPIRIT have entered in is sufficient and these can come at any time at any hour in any place before HIM bringing their " acceptable offerings" to HIM


"Their very lives" which are not hidden from HIM
That is their acceptable form of worship
 
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im not saying its not useful, it is very, but it is the jewish law, and its prett clearly remived completely from christianity. we learn in the new testament " sexual immorality is sin" we learn in the law what sexual immorality entails. the law is good, all im saying is its not what governs us any longer, it helps us learn of the new things.

one of the main issues in the new testament was the judiazers coming behing the apostles and insisting the chrisitans adhere to the mosaic Laws be circumcized and observe the mosaic Laws. thats what im saying, its not wrong to keep the feasts, its something that should be done according to a persons faith. if its in the heart of a christian they should, but its important to understand its not our law because the lae is one and cant be divided, so all the law has to be kept if a person takes it as thier Law, its contrary to the gospel in almost every way, not the feats but the civility and punishments, and the feasts and sabbaths were fulfilled by Jesus. thats all im saying, jusaism is the mosaic Law, the gospel is christianity they are two seperate things
There is much to be learned from Jewish law. We do ourselves no favor by ignoring it. There are still two testaments in our Bible.
 

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Yes, somehow people have got it in their heads that Paul was on a level with Jesus. And if you say they are wrong, they accuse you of being anti-Christian.
If you don't know how to follow CHRIST, then follow Paul as he followed CHRIST

Or

you could always follow the words and opinions of men here
 
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There is much to be learned from Jewish law. We do ourselves no favor by ignoring it. There are still two testaments in our Bible.
What you learn and come to will be that these were the shadows of all the REALITIES which are hidden in and pointed to CHRIST

AND HIM ALONE
 

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#97
Don't worry about it

GOD is able to call out from
every outward denominational church establishment HIS OWN

in EVERY outward deniminationrhere is mixed in amongst the pews those who worship in spirit and in truth and those who do not even know what they worship
And how will they come out if they don't/can't respond to the call ? People are afraid to make changes as important as that. Humans always see 'safety in numbers, on their own, they feel exposed and very vulnurable and frightened. Think of the persecution that awaits them,,,,for a servant is not above his Master, if they have done it to Jesus they will also do it to you. If you don't take up your cross daily you are not worthy of Him ! Remember...many are called, few are chosen....because they actively responded.
 

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Are you saying that God became disgusted with something HE established and considered holy ?...it's more like God became disgusted with the PEOPLE who don't RESPECT His Word ! Why else did they get banished and dispersed - even to this day ? please read 2Kgs ch 17. Don't think that the christians and gentiles are any better than the Jews - people are people and ''basically natural and carnal in defiance of God's law/Word Rom 8v7. And because of their 'rejection they walk in 'darkness, even now !
The natural man is at enmity with GOD yes

because he doesn't receive the things of THE SPIRIT because those things can only be discerned by THE SPIRIT

and that can only happen when HE does what HE said HE would do according to Jeremiah 31
 

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And how will they come out if they don't/can't respond to the call ? People are afraid to make changes as important as that. Humans always see 'safety in numbers, on their own, they feel exposed and very vulnurable and frightened. Think of the persecution that awaits them,,,,for a servant is not above his Master, if they have done it to Jesus they will also do it to you. If you don't take up your cross daily you are not worthy of Him ! Remember...many are called, few are chosen....because they actively responded.
They will respond to THE CALL as they should respond to THE CALL

As GOD's call
HE alone is the ONE who opens the eyes and ears of the heart to THE TRUTH of HIS SON
 

miknik5

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And how will they come out if they don't/can't respond to the call ? People are afraid to make changes as important as that. Humans always see 'safety in numbers, on their own, they feel exposed and very vulnurable and frightened. Think of the persecution that awaits them,,,,for a servant is not above his Master, if they have done it to Jesus they will also do it to you. If you don't take up your cross daily you are not worthy of Him ! Remember...many are called, few are chosen....because they actively responded.
Did you know what it requires to take up your cross?
fsith and trust directed in and on HIM as you pick up that burdensome cross and move keeping your eyes set on HIM