GOD'S LAWS OF HEALTH (not just diet and excercise)

[LoveGodForever]

Hi All,

So nice to meet everyone here. I am new so just learning my way around the website. This looks like a great discussion area as well as the other ones I have visited recently. I think healthful living is very important for the Christian of today. After all God's Word tells us that ....

"Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are." (1Co 3:16-17).

For most of us good health is a lucky dip in that what makes a good health constitution that is resistance to sickness is determined 50% by our genes (inherited by our bloodline, parents and back) and 50% by our environment (where we live and what we do, contributes to our health). So just because you live a healthy lifestyle does not mean you will always be healthy (because of the 50% genetic makeup).

This being said, there is still the other 50% environmental side that we can do to look after ourselves that can increase a persons quality of life so the sickness is less then it would be without healthy living.

To achieve healthy living many people either focus mainly on diet or exercise. There are very important but are they the only aspects that can contribute to healthy living?

I believe just as God has His great Law of the 10 commandment there are more than a few laws to healthful living. I believe that these are some of the Laws of health that need to be considered collectively to contribute to the part we can play in achieving good health (the 50% environmental side).

8 Laws of Health

1. Nutrition (healthy eating and diet)
2. Exercise
3. Water (drinking plenty of water looks after our kidneys and flushes out toxins from the body)
4. Sunshine (its important as it helps provide vitamins and other benefits needed for normal body functions)
5. Temperance (moderation in everything, even too much of a good thing can be bad for us, even over eating etc)
6. Air (fresh air is important, polluted air can accumulate toxins in the body weakening the immune system)
7. Rest (getting enough rest helps the body to recover and regenerate, make sure your getting enough sleep)
8. Trust (If you have knowingly done all you can trust in God and ask him to bless your efforts)

Just a few thoughts I was hoping to share. I hope it may be a blessing to someone.

God bless you all

 

[JosephsDreams]

I agree with you wholeheartedly, but there are a few things I want to address.

First, while you are correct in that good health is determined by our genes, your estimation of how much that influences our longevity and quality of health is way to high.
In a single word, epigenetics. I can not within a percentage point say how much epigenetics can negate bad gene pools, but I would state that the percentage our genes play in disease if you are on a God ordained diet, is about maybe 15%.

By far the biggest factor determining our health is out diets.
About 80% to 85% of all disease is diet related.

As far as temperance, you did not go into detail, so I can not specifically comment, but some of the healthiest diets in the world are diets that many consider radical, but God considers proper for our biochemical design.

Of course it is the details in a lot of what you put forward that can mean the difference between biological healing or not, but generally, you are right on the money.

Nice to have you here and I hope we can have some profitable exchanges re this subject.

God bless.

 

[oldethennew]

LGF,

thank you for sharing your thoughts, we, hub and I appreciate it very much,
along with JD...

we have both been into helping ourselves to live our lives to the best of our ability,
especially to follow God's Laws concerning this, beginning way back in the 70's,
even before our Heavenly Father called us out of this wicked-world...it had to be Him
that was leading us and directing us to explore and desire to use what He has given us to
help ourselves...after our conversion, so many things began to become so much
more clearer and has been an on going process unto this very day...

we have used a few 'essential-oils' for many years, but we have, a while back been led
to research and learn just what the true 'benefits' of these are, and so we have
been, once again, led down a new path by our Saviour in just one more of His
many ways as He is leading/teaching us how to use them to the best of our
ability...the results that have worked for us and our infirmities, have truly
been an amazing discovery, which has created in us a desire to keep on studying
and comparing just what works best for each of us...

 

[oldethennew]

LGF,

thank you for sharing your thoughts, we, hub and I appreciate it very much,
along with JD...

we have both been into helping ourselves to live our lives to the best of our ability,
especially to follow God's Laws concerning this, beginning way back in the 70's,
even before our Heavenly Father called us out of this wicked-world...it had to be Him
that was leading us and directing us to explore and desire to use what He has given us to
help ourselves...after our conversion, so many things began to become so much
more clearer and has been an on going process unto this very day...

we have used a few 'essential-oils' for many years, but we have, a while back been led
to research and learn just what the true 'benefits' of these are, and so we have
been, once again, led down a new path by our Saviour in just one more of His
many ways as He is leading/teaching us how to use them to the best of our
ability...the results that have worked for us and our infirmities, have truly
been an amazing discovery, which has created in us a desire to keep on studying
and comparing just what works best for each of us...

 

[oldethennew]

sorry about the 'double-post', I was 'editing' and they both just came-up...

by the way, LGF, 'welcome'...

 

[LoveGodForever]

I agree with you wholeheartedly, but there are a few things I want to address.

First, while you are correct in that good health is determined by our genes, your estimation of how much that influences our longevity and quality of health is way to high.
In a single word, epigenetics. I can not within a percentage point say how much epigenetics can negate bad gene pools, but I would state that the percentage our genes play in disease if you are on a God ordained diet, is about maybe 15%.

By far the biggest factor determining our health is out diets.
About 80% to 85% of all disease is diet related.

Hi Joseph, so nice to meet you.

I really appreciate your input. My career background is in science. Those estimates of genetic heritable traits is about right. This is is based on many scientific studies that have determined that various genetic traits are inherited from our parents and this influences 50% of the traits dominance. The other 50% is influenced by the environment.

Here are just a few references below for your interest;

From a 50 year study of general genetic trait heritability....

Meta-analysis of the heritability of human traits based on fifty years of twin studies;
"We report a meta-analysis of twin correlations and reported variance components for 17,804 traits from 2,748 publications including 14,558,903 partly dependent twin pairs, virtually all published twin studies of complex traits. Estimates of heritability cluster strongly within functional domains, and across all traits the reported heritability is 49%." (Source: Nature Genetics Link)

Intelligence...

"Researchers have conducted many studies to look for genes that influence intelligence. Many of these studies have focused on similarities and differences in IQ within families, particularly looking at adopted children and twins. These studies suggest that genetic factors underlie about 50 percent of the difference in intelligence among individuals." (Source: US National Library of Medicine Link)

Disease...

"breast cancer associated with mutations in the BRCA1 and BRCA2 genes that predispose women to early onset breast cancer and often ovarian cancer. The genes identified have mutations that often are highly penetrant—that is, the probability of developing the disease in someone carrying the disease susceptibility genotype is relatively high (greater than 50 percent)".... Environmental factors also vary across individuals and the combined effect of environmental and genetic heterogeneity is etiologic heterogeneity. Etiologic heterogeneity refers to a phenomenon that occurs in the general population when multiple groups of disease cases, such as breast cancer clusters, exhibit similar clinical features, but are in fact the result of differing events or exposures. Insight into the etiology of specific diseases as well as identification of possible causative agents is facilitated by discovery and examination of disease cases demonstrating etiologic heterogeneity. The results of these studies may also highlight possible gene-gene interactions and gene-environment interactions important in the disease process." (Source: Genes, Behavior, and the Social Environment: Moving Beyond the Nature/Nurture Debate Link)

As to general claims about diet being the biggest factor out of all the 8 Laws of health? I Know its very important as are all the other Laws of Health. If you do a few well and neglect the rest depending on your constitution it will effect your health and well being. To my knowledge I don't think any studies have been done comparing all the Laws of Health to determine if diet is the most important factor. However, a lot of studies have been done on diet to determine that it is in fact a very important component to good health.

May God bless you and thanks for your warm welcome

 

[LoveGodForever]

LGF,

thank you for sharing your thoughts, we, hub and I appreciate it very much,
along with JD...

we have both been into helping ourselves to live our lives to the best of our ability,
especially to follow God's Laws concerning this, beginning way back in the 70's,
even before our Heavenly Father called us out of this wicked-world...it had to be Him
that was leading us and directing us to explore and desire to use what He has given us to
help ourselves...after our conversion, so many things began to become so much
more clearer and has been an on going process unto this very day...

we have used a few 'essential-oils' for many years, but we have, a while back been led
to research and learn just what the true 'benefits' of these are, and so we have
been, once again, led down a new path by our Saviour in just one more of His
many ways as He is leading/teaching us how to use them to the best of our
ability...the results that have worked for us and our infirmities, have truly
been an amazing discovery, which has created in us a desire to keep on studying
and comparing just what works best for each of us...

Hi oldthenew,

So nice to meet you and thanks very much for the warm welcome. I believe very much in the benefits of healthy living and the underestimated benefits of natural remedies to help heal diseases.

God bless you my friend

 

[JosephsDreams]

Hi Joseph, so nice to meet you.

I really appreciate your input. My career background is in science. Those estimates of genetic heritable traits is about right. This is is based on many scientific studies that have determined that various genetic traits are inherited from our parents and this influences 50% of the traits dominance. The other 50% is influenced by the environment.

Here are just a few references below for your interest;

From a 50 year study of general genetic trait heritability....

Meta-analysis of the heritability of human traits based on fifty years of twin studies;
"We report a meta-analysis of twin correlations and reported variance components for 17,804 traits from 2,748 publications including 14,558,903 partly dependent twin pairs, virtually all published twin studies of complex traits. Estimates of heritability cluster strongly within functional domains, and across all traits the reported heritability is 49%." (Source: Nature Genetics Link)

Intelligence...

"Researchers have conducted many studies to look for genes that influence intelligence. Many of these studies have focused on similarities and differences in IQ within families, particularly looking at adopted children and twins. These studies suggest that genetic factors underlie about 50 percent of the difference in intelligence among individuals." (Source: US National Library of Medicine Link)

Disease...

"breast cancer associated with mutations in the BRCA1 and BRCA2 genes that predispose women to early onset breast cancer and often ovarian cancer. The genes identified have mutations that often are highly penetrant—that is, the probability of developing the disease in someone carrying the disease susceptibility genotype is relatively high (greater than 50 percent)".... Environmental factors also vary across individuals and the combined effect of environmental and genetic heterogeneity is etiologic heterogeneity. Etiologic heterogeneity refers to a phenomenon that occurs in the general population when multiple groups of disease cases, such as breast cancer clusters, exhibit similar clinical features, but are in fact the result of differing events or exposures. Insight into the etiology of specific diseases as well as identification of possible causative agents is facilitated by discovery and examination of disease cases demonstrating etiologic heterogeneity. The results of these studies may also highlight possible gene-gene interactions and gene-environment interactions important in the disease process." (Source: Genes, Behavior, and the Social Environment: Moving Beyond the Nature/Nurture Debate Link)

As to general claims about diet being the biggest factor out of all the 8 Laws of health? I Know its very important as are all the other Laws of Health. If you do a few well and neglect the rest depending on your constitution it will effect your health and well being. To my knowledge I don't think any studies have been done comparing all the Laws of Health to determine if diet is the most important factor. However, a lot of studies have been done on diet to determine that it is in fact a very important component to good health.

May God bless you and thanks for your warm welcome

Hi LGF,

My background is bioscience and nutritional science.

You need to look at epigenetics. I mentioned that in my post but you did not refer to it once in your reply. With science routinely making so many new discoveries the old information on so many subjects is being superseded by new discoveries and studies.

Here is just one of many common references to it on the internet.

[FONT=&quot]"Genome-wide association studies of complex physiological traits and diseases consistently found that associated genetic factors, such as allelic polymorphisms or DNA mutations, only explained a minority of the expected heritable fraction. This discrepancy is known as “missing heritability”, and its underlying factors and molecular mechanisms are not established. Epigenetic programs may account for a significant fraction of the “missing heritability.” Epigenetic modifications, such as DNA methylation and chromatin assembly states, reflect the high plasticity of the genome and contribute to stably alter gene expression without modifying genomic DNA sequences. Consistent components of complex traits, such as those linked to human stature/height, fertility, and food metabolism or to hereditary defects, have been shown to respond to environmental or nutritional condition and to be epigenetically inherited. The knowledge acquired from epigenetic genome reprogramming during development, stem cell differentiation/de-differentiation, and model organisms is today shedding light on the mechanisms of (a) mitotic inheritance of epigenetic traits from cell to cell, (b) meiotic epigenetic inheritance from generation to generation, and (c) true transgenerational inheritance. Such mechanisms have been shown to include incomplete erasure of DNA methylation, parental effects, transmission of distinct RNA types (mRNA, non-coding RNA, miRNA, siRNA, piRNA), and persistence of subsets of histone marks...."

[/FONT]The article goes on, but I won't bore anyone who is not into this, as I am and LGF may be.
Here is the link if anyone is interested in reading more - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4517414/

Anyway, the point is you can alter your genetic expression. Science has now proven that even our positive and negative emotions get stored in our cells. Our very thoughts can influence our health. The studies show that women who are prone to anxiety are 28% more likely to develop breast cancer. The body is a fluid and living organism. It is sensitive to the stimuli it is exposed to.

Less scientific yet more experienced based are my own decade longs observations. I have been doing nutritional counseling for many years. Naturally, I went to college for my studies. My mentor has been doing it for 50 years. He has a Ph.D. in this related area. I have seen close to a thousand clients/patients, he has seen and advised literally tens of thousands. Also, he and I have spoken to others in our field over the years, who have an accumulated hundreds of years of experience.
I am saying all this only to establish that while the next statements I am going to make regarding epigenetics are not pure scientific studies, they do, in my mind, and the minds of my colleagues, carry a lot of weight.

We have counseled a combined literally thousands of people with cancer, heart disease, neurological diseases, diabetes, psychological issues, and so on. We are often made aware of their family history regarding the disease. Yes, it is true, a majority of times they are having the same illness's their parents or other family members had.

But you know what the common link is outside of family links? They all eat the same diets. Many of them tend to have the same family emotional outlook on world/life topics. Also, the diets are often passed on from generation to generation.

We have observed that when they alter their diets and other lifestyle factors and remain consistent to that, they often overcome their disease and live to and often beyond the average age index, and in a better quality of health than their peers. If it were only 1 or 10 or a 100 people, you may be able to discount it, but when you are talking thousands of people who in the care of over a dozen naturopaths, nutritional doctors, counselors, etc., notice the same cause and effects, it is no longer coincidence or something that can be ignored.

Some of the pioneers in the field came to this same conclusion many decades ago. Now the science is catching up to them.

As far as diet as the single most important element in health, think about it. What you eat becomes you.

If your interested pickup T. Colin Campbells The China Study. He clearly makes the case, in a convincing scientific fashion that this is true.

Regarding how much disease is caused by poor diet, again, I can not point to a study. But it is natural law. If science has not caught on to Gods natural laws or refuses to ignore the, that still does not magically make it go away. Some of this is new ground, and also because of financial and power motivations, it is sometimes ignored by the conventional power structure. That does not mean it is not genuine or true, or that it is not ahead of the curve. We Christians know there is a spirit world that has power over the physical. We know God can do miracles that seem to puzzle us or are beyond our current understanding. Still, yet again, people who have science backgrounds (like doctors who focus on natural remedies, Herbalists, Naturopaths, etc.) and who are in the trenches have generally reached a consensus on how much diet is a factor in disease.

Some of the science does support it by the way. I am sure you know that the medical community is realizing that the nexus of our health is in our gut. Our immune system, even some of our brain factors are located there.

This is one major reason why I state that probably 80% to 85% of disease is caused by poor diet.

I am not discounting the other elements of health, your list is spot on. I would be interested to hear some of the details, but yes, no doubt, it is a holistic lifestyle implementation.

The human body is complex. As my friend says, "the human body is a divine spirit, mind, and body; induced, driven and expressed. The health of the physical being is spiritually and vibrationally induced, electro-magnetically driven and biologically and genetically expressed."

I hope this clears up some of the confusion that is out there regarding some of the biological sciences.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Hi LGF,

My background is bioscience and nutritional science.

You need to look at epigenetics. I mentioned that in my post but you did not refer to it once in your reply. With science routinely making so many new discoveries the old information on so many subjects is being superseded by new discoveries and studies.

Here is just one of many common references to it on the internet.

"Genome-wide association studies of complex physiological traits and diseases consistently found that associated genetic factors, such as allelic polymorphisms or DNA mutations, only explained a minority of the expected heritable fraction. This discrepancy is known as “missing heritability”, and its underlying factors and molecular mechanisms are not established. Epigenetic programs may account for a significant fraction of the “missing heritability.” Epigenetic modifications, such as DNA methylation and chromatin assembly states, reflect the high plasticity of the genome and contribute to stably alter gene expression without modifying genomic DNA sequences. Consistent components of complex traits, such as those linked to human stature/height, fertility, and food metabolism or to hereditary defects, have been shown to respond to environmental or nutritional condition and to be epigenetically inherited. The knowledge acquired from epigenetic genome reprogramming during development, stem cell differentiation/de-differentiation, and model organisms is today shedding light on the mechanisms of (a) mitotic inheritance of epigenetic traits from cell to cell, (b) meiotic epigenetic inheritance from generation to generation, and (c) true transgenerational inheritance. Such mechanisms have been shown to include incomplete erasure of DNA methylation, parental effects, transmission of distinct RNA types (mRNA, non-coding RNA, miRNA, siRNA, piRNA), and persistence of subsets of histone marks...."

The article goes on, but I won't bore anyone who is not into this, as I am and LGF may be.
Here is the link if anyone is interested in reading more - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4517414/

Anyway, the point is you can alter your genetic expression. Science has now proven that even our positive and negative emotions get stored in our cells. Our very thoughts can influence our health. The studies show that women who are prone to anxiety are 28% more likely to develop breast cancer. The body is a fluid and living organism. It is sensitive to the stimuli it is exposed to.

Less scientific yet more experienced based are my own decade longs observations. I have been doing nutritional counseling for many years. Naturally, I went to college for my studies. My mentor has been doing it for 50 years. He has a Ph.D. in this related area. I have seen close to a thousand clients/patients, he has seen and advised literally tens of thousands. Also, he and I have spoken to others in our field over the years, who have an accumulated hundreds of years of experience.
I am saying all this only to establish that while the next statements I am going to make regarding epigenetics are not pure scientific studies, they do, in my mind, and the minds of my colleagues, carry a lot of weight.

We have counseled a combined literally thousands of people with cancer, heart disease, neurological diseases, diabetes, psychological issues, and so on. We are often made aware of their family history regarding the disease. Yes, it is true, a majority of times they are having the same illness's their parents or other family members had.

But you know what the common link is outside of family links? They all eat the same diets. Many of them tend to have the same family emotional outlook on world/life topics. Also, the diets are often passed on from generation to generation.

We have observed that when they alter their diets and other lifestyle factors and remain consistent to that, they often overcome their disease and live to and often beyond the average age index, and in a better quality of health than their peers. If it were only 1 or 10 or a 100 people, you may be able to discount it, but when you are talking thousands of people who in the care of over a dozen naturopaths, nutritional doctors, counselors, etc., notice the same cause and effects, it is no longer coincidence or something that can be ignored.

Some of the pioneers in the field came to this same conclusion many decades ago. Now the science is catching up to them.

As far as diet as the single most important element in health, think about it. What you eat becomes you.

If your interested pickup T. Colin Campbells The China Study. He clearly makes the case, in a convincing scientific fashion that this is true.

Regarding how much disease is caused by poor diet, again, I can not point to a study. But it is natural law. If science has not caught on to Gods natural laws or refuses to ignore the, that still does not magically make it go away. Some of this is new ground, and also because of financial and power motivations, it is sometimes ignored by the conventional power structure. That does not mean it is not genuine or true, or that it is not ahead of the curve. We Christians know there is a spirit world that has power over the physical. We know God can do miracles that seem to puzzle us or are beyond our current understanding. Still, yet again, people who have science backgrounds (like doctors who focus on natural remedies, Herbalists, Naturopaths, etc.) and who are in the trenches have generally reached a consensus on how much diet is a factor in disease.

Some of the science does support it by the way. I am sure you know that the medical community is realizing that the nexus of our health is in our gut. Our immune system, even some of our brain factors are located there.

This is one major reason why I state that probably 80% to 85% of disease is caused by poor diet.

I am not discounting the other elements of health, your list is spot on. I would be interested to hear some of the details, but yes, no doubt, it is a holistic lifestyle implementation.

The human body is complex. As my friend says, "the human body is a divine spirit, mind, and body; induced, driven and expressed. The health of the physical being is spiritually and vibrationally induced, electro-magnetically driven and biologically and genetically expressed."

I hope this clears up some of the confusion that is out there regarding some of the biological sciences.

Hi Joseph,

Sorry for any confusion but I think generally we are referring to the same thing. The references I cited are all current research and not outdated. The environmental impact on gene expression is as high as heredity of our genetic makeup.

God bless you

 

[JosephsDreams]

Hi Joseph,

Sorry for any confusion but I think generally we are referring to the same thing. The references I cited are all current research and not outdated. The environmental impact on gene expression is as high as heredity of our genetic makeup.

God bless you

Well, naturally you have the right to believe what you will.

The information you cite has been updated, despite you claiming otherwise. You're ignoring all the evidence though. Evidence that demands a verdict.
Reminds me of what Josh McDowell said. Some say it is the truth because they believe, Some believe because it is the truth.

Regardless, let us remain at peace, my brother.

God bless.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Well, naturally you have the right to believe what you will.

The information you cite has been updated, despite you claiming otherwise. You're ignoring all the evidence though. Evidence that demands a verdict.
Reminds me of what Josh McDowell said. Some say it is the truth because they believe, Some believe because it is the truth.

Regardless, let us remain at peace, my brother.

God bless.

Hello Josephs,

Thanks for your message although I do not agree with your last post I respect your right to have your own opinion. The references I cited above where from (1). A 50 year study published in 2015, in one of the Most prestigious scientific Journal (Nature). The second reference is from the current website of the US National Library of Medicine. The third is just another reference from 2013. These are only a few out of many I could have posted but did not see any point.

All you have done is posted a reference from a text that is only saying the same thing as I am saying except without specific numbers. It is not confirming any of the numbers you claim in regards to the impact on gene dominance caused by heredity and the impact of expression by the environment. I can get many more references but I don't think it will make any difference as I have already supplied you with a 50 year study published in Nature in 2015 which you say is now out of date?

You haven't supplied any evidence to any of your claims and all the literature I have seen support the references I have provided. Lets put aside our personal opinions and as you say remain at peace. The point of all this any way is that our immune system and the ability to be resistant to sickness is influenced by our genetic makeup and the environment. We cant change the genes we have inherited but we can change our environment to have a better quality of life with less sickness compared to if we ignore God's Laws of Health.

God bless you