Why God keeps silent to somebody even after intensive cry?

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[h=2]Why God keeps silent to somebody even after intensive cry?[/h]

Ans. A diabetic patient cries before a doctor to get a sweet for eating. The doctor has infinite number of sweets and he does not worry at all for giving a sweet to the patient. You are crying before God, who is the divine father (creator of all the souls) to give some wealth or to solve some problem. If He helps you, there is not even a trace of any personal loss to Him. Neither His wealth nor His power is finite and nor His love to souls is limited. The only factor that guides Him is to see the future position after the help. If your eyes are to climb the roof of your head after the help, God will keep silent. After the help you will fall down even from your present level and then you will cry again before the same God to lift you up.

If the doctor gives you the sweet, the level of sugar may go up and the emergent treatment is also the responsibility of the same doctor. Hence the doctor will not give you the sweet. If the doctor is confident of your health, he may give the sweet. Sometimes the doctor gives the sweet and conducts the emergent treatment to show you the truth, if you are scolding the doctor to be unkind. The response of the doctor lies on his analysis of the situation and it is not the subject of the patient at all. You must have the faith in the doctor (God) that any response is for your good only and you must know that the patient is ignorant of his own real welfare.

Everybody in this world worships God only in aspiration of some fruit here or in the upper world (especially to avoid the hell). You need not worship God at all for getting some good fruit that helps you. Even without your worship, God being the divine Father, the divine Mother and the divine preacher (Matrudevo...), gives you the best fruit that does good to you always. He is three-in-one. Brahma is the preacher, Vishnu is the Mother and Shiva is the Father. Therefore, Lord Datta is the complete expression of God.


The father and mother (parents) here are not harsh to their child due to blind love. Due to this, the child is spoiled. The preacher here is harsh without love as we see the harsh punishments given by the teacher. The teacher here is not worried about your failure in real sense. The teacher teaches the student only for the fees. Hence, these three here are partially or totally defective. The meaning of the above Vedic statement is that God is your father, mother and preacher (if you take the word ‘Matrudevo’ etc., as Bahuvrihi Samasa). This is the correct sense. The reverse meaning (Karmadharaya Samasa) is wrong in taking father, mother and preacher as God.

God has both the paternal affection and the harsh treatment of the preacher required to mould the soul towards highest position. You should not judge God by rating the fruits. He gives apple to one person and banana to other person. The cost of apple is Rs.50/- ($50) and the cost of banana is only Rs.2/- (2 $). You pray God to give costlier apple in the place of cheaper banana. The banana is given to you because you have the problem of indigestion and banana will cure it. Your body is not resistant to cold and hence, apple is not given to you, which increases cold. The other person has resistance to cold and has less blood. Apple will not harm him and increases his blood. Hence, the doctor (preacher) gives whatever is suitable to the patient (student). Its cost is immaterial. For your case, banana is the costlier fruit and apple is cheaper fruit. The same is vice versa to the case of other person. God will give that much money or wealth to you beyond which, you will be spoiled with ego and bad ways.

So, whatever is present with you is sufficient and will do good to you. Even an atheist is treated in the same way. If a son scolds always his parents, will the parents become angry with him? They pity him more and will also give to him whatever is needed. They try to change him slowly. All this analysis shows that you need not worship God at all for getting more fruits since you are already given the best needed fruit to you. A father, who is really interested in the welfare of his son, will send him to jail if he becomes a criminal. A father, who has blind love to his son, will hide his crime.

Similarly, God, as a real father interested always in the welfare of the human being, will send him to the hell for betterment of his qualities through inevitable punishments. Hell shows the greatest love and concern of the divine father towards his children. Hence, hell should not be treated as indicator of the revenge of God towards sinner through punishments. The sole aim of the punishment is only to reform the sinner and not to revenge against the sinner. The love of these worldly parents and worldly preacher is always blind and limited to this life only. The love of God is in the perspective of long range to uplift the soul to the highest position irrespective of the duration of time.

When I say that you need not pray God for anything, since already best is given to you and since you do not know what is best for you, this does not mean that you should not pray God any more. You must pray God always to express you gratefulness to God for the best fruit already given by Him to you. Jesus always says that He is expressing the prayer of gratefulness to God. We must take this point very seriously with the above background. The other religions may feel inconvenient about Jesus, being the preacher of Christianity- religion. You should take anything good from any religion. A Christian scientist invented the train. Are you not travelling by the train since you are conservative of some other religion? Universal spirituality alone opens your eyes fully to see the truth with highest clarification.

Generally, the fruits (results) are linked to efforts only in this world. But, this link is established by God only and hence the final authority to give any fruit is God only. Hence, your efforts generally yield the corresponding fruits as per the link established by God in the divine programme, which is computerized in routine way. By this routine procedure, you will have a false impression that there is no God and fruits are obtained only by your capable efforts. This was the path of Purvamimaamsa.

Now, God interferes in your life and will see that some efforts fail to give the corresponding fruits thereby preaching you to leave your ego and atheism. If you are a devotee and feel always that God is the giver of fruit, even then, some of your efforts fail because the fruits of such efforts are not good for you and hence, are avoided. A real devotee always prays God with gratefulness whether the effort gives fruit or not. Such actions in which you are not attached to fruit in any way at any time will not bind you and your attachment is always towards God so that you will reach the highest position in spiritual path (Nivrutti). The devotee reaching such highest position will be the dearest son or daughter of God, though all the human beings are dear children to God.
 

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Hello dattaswami8,
While some of your words seem consistent with the Bible, you are promoting an idea of God which is fundamentally opposed to biblical truth. Here is what the truth states:

"I am the way, the truth and the life. No-one comes to the Father but by me." (Jesus, John 14:6).

"I am the first and I am the last, and there is no God besides Me. ... Is there any God besides Me? Or is there any other Rock? I know of none." (God, Isaiah 44:6 and 8).

"Hear, O Israel: the Lord our God, the Lord is one!" (Moses, Deuteronomy 6:4)

Please, for the sake of your soul, read and believe the Bible. Trust in Jesus Christ as the true Saviour. The God of the Bible is the only God, the Creator, the Author of Life, and the Judge of all nations. Jesus is Lord!
 

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Does God even hear the prayers of sinners?

16The face of the Lord is against them that do evil, to cut off
the remembrance of them from the earth.

29The Lord is far from the wicked: but he heareth the prayer of the righteous.

2But your [iniquities] have separated between you and your God,
and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

31Now we know that God [heareth not sinners]: but if any man
be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.

12For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open
unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is [against them] that do evil.
 
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The way to cancel your sins

All the punishments are only for reformation of the soul and not for revenge. The hell is created by God not with vengeance against sinners but due to kindness to reform the souls. God is always kind to reform the souls, which are His children since the souls are created by Him.

The father will never have even a trace of vengeance towards his issues. Jesus always addressed God as father and He propagated this concept by saying that all your sins will be excused by God if you are reformed. Practical knowledge, the practical realization, which is the reformation, will cancel all your previous bad deeds or sins as told in Gita (Jnanaagnih….). Except this one way, there is no other way to cancel the sins and escape from all the present problems in the world and future torture in the hell.

If you are not doing any sin, you are excused for all past sins

The results of all your good actions will be separate and will not interfere with the cancellation of sins. God will give you good results for all your prayers and any prayer will not cancel even a trace of your sin. Similarly, your charity.

If these good actions can reform you, then, your sins will be cancelled. Therefore, reformation of the soul is the only way by which God is pleased to cancel your sins. Even if you do not believe in God, it does not matter. If you are not doing any sin, you are excused for all past sins and you will live with immense happiness in the world and after death also.

If you are doing a sin, you are going against the will of God

You cannot please God by prayers and service simultaneously doing sins. If you are doing a sin, you are going against the will of God and you are insulting God. You cannot please and insult God simultaneously. Therefore, every devotee and servant of God should be careful about the concept of the sin and about the only path to cancel the sin.
 
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I've never experienced "silent god." His bible is his words. His actions are for my good and his glory. So, silence? I don't get it.
 
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I've never experienced "silent god." His bible is his words. His actions are for my good and his glory. So, silence? I don't get it.

When you worship the Lord you should not aspire forany fruit in return. Some people sacrifice work and money but they aspire forsome fruit in return. Such a service is again a waste. If you do Nishkama KarmaYoga, which is the service to the Lord without expecting anything from theLord, then alone will the Lord come in human form and suffer for your sins.Then alone can you get rid of your sins. Other than this one path there is noalternative. Either you have to pay or your father (the Lord in human form) hasto pay the fine for your sins. If you pester the Lord through the presentrituals and methods of worship, the Lord will only make rearrangements to yourfile of Karma.

He will bringthe good results, which you were supposed to enjoy in your next birth, to thepresent. However this rearrangement will lead to a loss in value as in case ofa premature encashment of deposits. You do not know this secret and you thinkthat you have flattered the Lord and got rid of your sins. What you do not knowis that your present sins are thrown to next birth with increased interest.Your future life cycle will be full of miseries from birth to death due to suchinterference. Therefore the Lord is cleverer than you when you adopt the waysof business with Him.
 

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Why God keeps silent to somebody even after intensive cry?
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This is a bible discussion forum, would help if you
posted at least some verses to support your views.
 
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This is a bible discussion forum, would help if you
posted at least some verses to support your views.
Praying to God is not incorrect.
The answer is that such a stage is not incorrect but it is a lower stage. The LKG class is the beginning of school education. You cannot say that LKG class is not correct. It is correct but it is lowest. The first step is true but does the lowest step exist on the ground. If you take the case of Jesus, He is in the highest step. He also praised and prayed the Lord but never asked anything for himself. He asked anything only for the propagation of the fame of the Lord. The lowest step is certainly better than the pit, which is lower than the ground. Thus the beginner is certainly better than the atheist, who does not believe God at all. Even though the beginner is selfish, atleast he believes the existence of God.
 

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We aren't Hindu here nor do we believe Mohammed is a true prophet.

We worship YHWH through Yeshua His Son.
 

Magenta

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OP is promoting the working out of karma through reincarnation :p
 
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Sooo all this babbling is to advertise Nishkama KarmaYoga?

Yeah, no. This isn't an advertising site, and you're no Christian.
 
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God speaks in a still, small voice...sometimes we need to shut up and listen......!
 

BillG

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God speaks in a still, small voice...sometimes we need to shut up and listen......!
And actually wait to hear him.

I have been guilty many a time of coming before God with prayer and petition and If after a minute I haven't heard anything I then get up and go about my business.

Trained myself out of that and do you know what?

Sit, wait and he invariably shows up.
 
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And actually wait to hear him.

I have been guilty many a time of coming before God with prayer and petition and If after a minute I haven't heard anything I then get up and go about my business.

Trained myself out of that and do you know what?

Sit, wait and he invariably shows up.

When the child cries for the milk, the mother does not mistake the child for its desire for the milk because the love should be without desire. The same mother (if wise) will mistake her grown up daughter asking for her ornaments because ornaments are not the basic needs like the milk. The wise mother will say that she will give the ornaments after her death. But the same mother will not say that the milk in her breast will be given to the child after her death because the dead body cannot give the milk and moreover the child cannot wait for the milk for a long time. Similarly, God will not mistake the pure soul asking for the basic needs of the life especially when the soul is in the divine service.

For mother the cry of the child is needed because the mother is not always omniscient like God. But God is omniscient and knows the basic requirement of the devoted soul and will give the basic needs even without the cry. Yet, the mother experiences the love in giving the milk to a crying child. Similarly, the God experiences love when you cry for the basic needs to be granted by God. There is no necessity for cry in the case of God but after all the cry gives the experience of love. Moreover, the soul should not think that God would grant the basic needs like the salary given by the employer to his service. In the case of God, the service to God itself is the salary and there cannot be salary for taking the salary!

Nivrutti (Spiritual field) is quite opposite to Pravrutti (Materialistic field). When the soul is pure and deserves a favor, God desires the devotee to ask Him like an innocent child to enjoy the love. God takes pleasure in fulfilling the desire when the child asks for it. A crying child for milk is not equal to a crying prostitute to snatch away your property, since property is not a basic need. A fool does not distinguish the basic needs and property. A foolish mother will give away her ornaments to her daughter like the milk from her breast and will end in trouble because the son-in-law will force the daughter to kick out her mother since the ornaments were already received. When the devotee is in the service of the divine mission, to pray God for basic needs is not wrong because the basic needs are essential to maintain the body and family.

Such request is not the extra worldly desire and it is a part of the divine mission only. Jesus asked God to favor Him on several occasions but each favor was a part of the divine mission only. By begging the God for food, the inherent traces of ego induced will also disappear.
 
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This post reeks of lies and falsehoods.....

Hindu heresy......

Everybody in this world worships God only in aspiration of some fruit here or in the upper world (especially to avoid the hell). You need not worship God at all for getting some good fruit that helps you. Even without your worship, God being the divine Father, the divine Mother and the divine preacher (Matrudevo...), gives you the best fruit that does good to you always. He is three-in-one. Brahma is the preacher, Vishnu is the Mother and Shiva is the Father. Therefore, Lord Datta is the complete expression of God.
 

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The Lord don't share the space of your soul with the evil spirits, and don't expect for his help if you worship somebody else.KJVDeuteronomy6;14-15 14. Ye shall not go after other gods, of the gods of the people which are round you; 15. (For the Lord thy God is a jealous God among you) lest the anger of the Lord thy God be kindled against thee,and destroy thee from off the face of the Earth.
 
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This post reeks of lies and falsehoods.....

Hindu heresy......

Everybody in this world worships God only in aspiration of some fruit here or in the upper world (especially to avoid the hell). You need not worship God at all for getting some good fruit that helps you. Even without your worship, God being the divine Father, the divine Mother and the divine preacher (Matrudevo...), gives you the best fruit that does good to you always. He is three-in-one. Brahma is the preacher, Vishnu is the Mother and Shiva is the Father. Therefore, Lord Datta is the complete expression of God.
Datta means the unimaginable God given to the creation through the first energetic incarnation. The meaning of the word ‘Datta’ clearly indicates that Datta does not mean the first energetic incarnation related to a specific religion called Hinduism. 'God given' means in general and is related to every religion. The same unimaginable God is indirectly referred by different names and forms of the medium taken by God for His expression. Even the basic material of the medium is inert energy only and the innermost unimaginable God is also the same, whatever may be the religion. Other religions call Datta as Father of Heaven or Allah, etc. The form of the first energetic incarnation may slightly differ from one religion to the other religion since the name and form are only the imaginations of different sects of human beings. The same unimaginable God, the same first energetic incarnation of God and the same way of protection from God to devotee exists in every religion.
 

Magenta

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property is not a basic need.
Wrong. Basic needs are met through property (growing food and textiles for clothing and shelter etc). The food, clothing, and shelter are also personally owned property/possessions. The owning of property is protected in the Bible. What is not supported is making an idol of these things.

A fool does not distinguish the basic needs and property.
I guess that makes you a fool.
 
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The Lord don't share the space of your soul with the evil spirits, and don't expect for his help if you worship somebody else.KJVDeuteronomy6;14-15 14. Ye shall not go after other gods, of the gods of the people which are round you; 15. (For the Lord thy God is a jealous God among you) lest the anger of the Lord thy God be kindled against thee,and destroy thee from off the face of the Earth.
One shall work for God and should not lazy thinking that God do not require our help. The Lord does not need your service in anyway for His work. He is only testing your attitude of your sincerity in His work by taking help from you in His work. You should not think that He really needs your help. You should not also think that you need not help Him because He does not need your help. Both these are the two branches of ignorance. He is actually testing your extent of sacrifice towards Him and thus He does not need your help in reality. But based on this reality you should not withdraw your help to Him because He is testing your attitude and extent to work for Him.

When the examiner asks a question, the student should not think that the examiner is really ignorant about the answer and is in search of the answer from the student. The student should not also keep silent thinking that there is no need of giving answer to the examiner since the examiner knows the answer. Both these views of the student are wrong regarding the examiner. Neither Jesus needed the help of disciples in reality nor the disciples kept silent without helping Jesus since Jesus does not require any help in reality. The reality is that Jesus does not require any help and that the disciples helped Jesus to their best ability to prove their real interest in God.
 
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Datta means the unimaginable God given to the creation through the first energetic incarnation. The meaning of the word ‘Datta’ clearly indicates that Datta does not mean the first energetic incarnation related to a specific religion called Hinduism. 'God given' means in general and is related to every religion. The same unimaginable God is indirectly referred by different names and forms of the medium taken by God for His expression. Even the basic material of the medium is inert energy only and the innermost unimaginable God is also the same, whatever may be the religion. Other religions call Datta as Father of Heaven or Allah, etc. The form of the first energetic incarnation may slightly differ from one religion to the other religion since the name and form are only the imaginations of different sects of human beings. The same unimaginable God, the same first energetic incarnation of God and the same way of protection from God to devotee exists in every religion.
Let me tell you man....God has made himself KNOWN through His SON JESUS......and I can tell you that your fatalistic approach to applying and equating the ONE and only ONE true GOD with "DATTA", "ALLAH" and or MICKEY MOUSE will not make your dogma true nor will it lead to the proverbial gates of heaven.....

I suggest you DEVOTE yourself to the ONE and only ONE true and living way....HIS NAME is JESUS..........!