The holy spirit
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It is an interesting idea. Your straw man here is that by constructing a picture of an idea or
a proposition might upset people. Well what a surprise. Ofcourse ideas upset people because
that is what happens when you turn on the light. The light demonstrates what is going on.
If people object to the light, they do not say, switch the light off, but rather, you have
miss-understood, things are really like this and not that.
Take lawlessness. It is simply a lie, and I mean something that is not true, a deception,
something worth of judgement and hell, to say God supports a people without law.
This is simply heresy and apostacy. Yet I have seen people claim the gospel is still
righteous without law, and measure, or principles or boundaries.
This is such absolute junk, I am surprised anyone can fall for this. The most disfunctional
psychopaths think like this. You upset them, they kill you, and they will feel nothing
about it, zero, not even a blip. And the root of this is actually hatred and bitterness against
legalism. But to those who live in this world where they have morality without law or principles
or rules, they are simply lying to themselves. The problem is their view of what law is and how
it works, not they need to be without any law.
So all this stuff about me getting into trouble is just sinners whinning about being found out
and having no other place to peddle their heresy and apostacy.
And appeasers who listen to the emotions are just as compromised. Sinners will always be
hurt as they are cast into Hell, but it does not make them innocent or worthy of destruction.
And the issues we are talking about are heaven and hell issues.
And I count these people condemned by their own confessions.
And I want nothing more to do with them, simply because I have said enough.
It is between their hearts and the Lord, and I suspect they are beyond reach.
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who would you call phchopaths and are there any here you know of ?
Ii dont think we can call someone a pycho for not obeying the law of christ.. Jesus said the full measure of the law we must keep every last word and not one jot shall we leave out... this takes time to become a lawyer peter all tho you sound like your on the prosecution more than the defence.
Ii dont think we can call someone a pycho for not obeying the law of christ.. Jesus said the full measure of the law we must keep every last word and not one jot shall we leave out... this takes time to become a lawyer peter all tho you sound like your on the prosecution more than the defence.
keep ya chin up
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That's a lovely song Jimbo. I am gonna get off for a bit and pray...
Too much condemnation and not enough grace in some posts and I don't know what to say any more.
All I know is that God can reach down and touch anyone and change their life.
Love you bro. Talk to you later.
Psychopaths have no conscience, they only focus on their own feelings without
regard of anyone else. It is an extreme state that people find themselves in.
It helps as an illustration of what the law is about. It is drawing a line and saying
over here is evil, on the other side is problems and confusion but not judgement.
Now the law is a good, Holy glorious thing, to show us boundaries, where real damage
begins and where innocence ends. But it never has said how you become a Child of God
or who God actually is or why He puts these principles out. But it helps say this is God,
this is Holiness, and righteousness, and this is why man and God are so different.
There is no defence against the law, there is only forgiveness and love which empower
fulfillment. It is our hearts alone that betray us and fail to see victory, but only reasons
for harm. In Gods Kingdom God will is in righteousness and not evil.
I can tell you now, this is no easy road, and what we are in our hearts is always something
different than we perceive or understand. It is why we get surprised when we burst into tears or
great joy, when we did not know these things mattered so much to us.
In Christ we have the victory and in His word the beginning of eternity with Him.
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Ariel82
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No sadly Peterjens, that is not my point at all....like normal you have created another straw man that falsely represents what I am trying to say to you...
.the issue is NOT "that by constructing a picture of an idea or
a proposition might upset people"
If I was worried about upseting folks I would ignore you because you take offense so easily.
It's that by constructing FALSE images from your imagination and not seeing reality or what people actually are saying....you cause conflict and for people to be defensive because they believe you to be falsely representing them.
I can't even comment on the rest of your statement because you have a false premise at the very beginning.
.the issue is NOT "that by constructing a picture of an idea or
a proposition might upset people"
If I was worried about upseting folks I would ignore you because you take offense so easily.
It's that by constructing FALSE images from your imagination and not seeing reality or what people actually are saying....you cause conflict and for people to be defensive because they believe you to be falsely representing them.
I can't even comment on the rest of your statement because you have a false premise at the very beginning.
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Ariel82
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Yeah this tells you where his words are coming from...I pray one day he wakes up and rejects the lies he has accepted into his heart...
I can't talk to someone who thinks they have the "light" condemns my siblings because they have a false understanding of what is being said, calls them psychopaths and constantly calls me an appeaser because I would have my brothers walk in peace and love.
So I am gonna talk to you instead.
1. Most folks in the "not works" thread believe in obeying God which means of God tells them to obey this law,they would do it.
Not all the laws in the Bible apply to us.
We don't sacrifice animals anymore. We don't keep the Jewish feasts, etc.
Laws were given by God so we would have guidelines and remind of us love and holiness. They aren't meant to be chains to condemn us or others.
Satan will condemn folks for not keeping the law.
God will show His wisdom in making the law and how
it's love to keep it. He will forgive and tell folks they can overcome. He never gives up on people and I don't think we should either.
Anyway the songs have been soothing my soul.thanks.
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A reminder...examine your heart and your words....
Are you speaking God's truth or the world's lies?
James 3
13Who is wise and understanding among you? By his good conduct let him show his works in the meekness of wisdom. 14But if you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast and be false to the truth. 15This is not the wisdom that comes down from above, but is earthly, unspiritual, demonic. 16For where jealousy and selfish ambition exist, there will be disorder and every vile practice. 17But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, open to reason, full of mercy and good fruits, impartial and sincere. 18And a harvest of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.
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Does God call peace makers "appeasers" or His beloved children?
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Folks, not all that glitters is gold. Years ago I knew a big Indian fellow who could really sing, he came to our church and was sought after by other churches. He was also a dedicated Christian. I ran into him at the plant one day and he told me(after I asked) that he was no longer singing. In a simple and direct way he described how he had found that much of the Christian singing world was about money and that many of the folks involved were far from actually being Christians. After we parted company I wondered to myself why he did not stay in Christian music so that there would at least be one honest man in the group. Anyway, don't be swept into believing that just because an attractive talented person is standing before you and preforming, that they are close to God...they may be, however they could just as well not be, anyone can act like a Christian.
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I believe music can be a great witness to God and His glory.
How would people judge king David?
Would they condemn him for having an affair, getting someone's else's wife pregnant and having him killed?
His first wife (saul's daughter condemned him for dancing in the street in his underwear while praising God. She said he did it for attention, instead of praise of God.
Yet God loves David. God still used David to write songs from a heart that worshipped God.
God forgave David, would we have?
The problem is that people have made idols of singers, performers and even preachers.
They expect people to be worthy of the pedastool they should never have placed them upon. Inatead of loving them as a brother or sister...they worship others as their connection to God.
.instead of walking with God themselves, they follow others light and then get mad when the other person gets lost and falls.
The difference is not that the other person isn't a child of God whom God will pick up and put back on the right path...
It is that those following don't have a true relationship with God themselves.
That is dangerous.
Did Jesus stop preaching the truth because the Pharisees taught lies?
God calls us to use our spiritual gifts for His glory and focus on Him.
Though we walk through the shadow of death, we fear no evil for God is with us.
How would people judge king David?
Would they condemn him for having an affair, getting someone's else's wife pregnant and having him killed?
His first wife (saul's daughter condemned him for dancing in the street in his underwear while praising God. She said he did it for attention, instead of praise of God.
Yet God loves David. God still used David to write songs from a heart that worshipped God.
God forgave David, would we have?
The problem is that people have made idols of singers, performers and even preachers.
They expect people to be worthy of the pedastool they should never have placed them upon. Inatead of loving them as a brother or sister...they worship others as their connection to God.
.instead of walking with God themselves, they follow others light and then get mad when the other person gets lost and falls.
The difference is not that the other person isn't a child of God whom God will pick up and put back on the right path...
It is that those following don't have a true relationship with God themselves.
That is dangerous.
Did Jesus stop preaching the truth because the Pharisees taught lies?
God calls us to use our spiritual gifts for His glory and focus on Him.
Though we walk through the shadow of death, we fear no evil for God is with us.
In todays world being rich or having rich things is not uncommon no more..... its called prosperity that why i like the x factor it gives people who have dreams a chance to become a singer who will have the chance to work wonders in peoples lifes with there lyrics..
This is also how rich people can be reached to or people who dont want to listen about God.. rich athiests can be turned this way.
A rich athiest will not even probably listen to christian songs but however he may find some new super star who has a beautiful voice sing something about God [video=youtube;vaAVByGaON0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaAVByGaON0[/video]
many people will label people with a mental disorder a psychopaths.. i say they could actually be possessed.. Do you reconise this..possession has been know to make people throth at the mouth which would make them act like a psychopath,,, have you considered that some peoples actions of possession or temporalily possession could become there down fall.. meaning you may not handle your emotions when the enemy has filled you with hate.. ? which could then render you a psychopath in the eyes of the doctors who dont believe in God ?...
its impossible to remember laws when you havent matured in fruits of peace or matured in your emotions....if i say the law is for the condemmed i would be wrong it is for us to keep and follow... The laws of the holy spirit is what Jesus taught....
wait the laws of holy spirit or Jesus christ has never said how you become a child Of God ? .
This is where you Go wrong being attacked or being made to believe a lie was not your hearts fault it was the enemies peters he picked on you coz you wasnt fully matured in heart he attacked your weaknessess... its not just about our own hearts or peoples hearts here why they disagree
Jim - I do not understand this sentence, even when I read it slowly. What are you meaning?
I would make two points in this kind of area. One develops an understanding of a position or
interrelationship of ideas, and then one can address this to other peoples positions.
Some engage aggressively attacking the individual or their reasons for taking such an approach.
I know often it is the language of staying as one is, and any threat to this must be wrong.
It is always safer to just deal with what one knows.
Then dont talk to him for a while now that youve told him your concerns i think personaly peter has a hard time accepting why people cant be like him.. just my observation..
Jim, I have not problem people being who they want to be.
I do have a problem with people inventing reasons to attack me, claim anger, hatred,
evil, and goodness what else, when all I am sharing is scripture and scriptural positions.
If however one is, people say your are wrong, or a terrible individual, one has to actually
say more than this or it is just slander and abuse.
It is like someone coming into a room saying something one does not like and then critising
the clothes they are wearing and why that style of dress is so bad. I can only conclude that
in reality the problem is people have such emotional investment into various positions, to threaten
them is too upsetting. Now I understand this, I even relate to it, but it does not change reality
or even the fragility of people.
Christ is our saviour and in Him we have the victory.