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Nothing is going to happen. As usual. Just a bunch of disappointed nutjob Youtube preachers watching their failed predictions go down the drain...not to worry though! They will just push the date down another few weeks....and misinterpret some more scripture...
The Rapture is going to happen soon. It may not be exactly on September 23rd but somewhere near.
The four blood moons heralded the Tribulation Period.
1. The Rising of the Beast- ISIS (Revelation 13)
ISIS started capturing places in January 2014 and established a caliphate in June. From Revelation 13 we understand that the beast will continue for 3.5 years from the time it rose up (Rev13:5) Then it will blaspheme the tabernacle of God (Rev13:6) After that it will trample the holy city for 3.5 years.
The four blood moons heralded the Tribulation Period.
1. The Rising of the Beast- ISIS (Revelation 13)
ISIS started capturing places in January 2014 and established a caliphate in June. From Revelation 13 we understand that the beast will continue for 3.5 years from the time it rose up (Rev13:5) Then it will blaspheme the tabernacle of God (Rev13:6) After that it will trample the holy city for 3.5 years.
Continuation .....
2. The confirming of the covenant (Daniel 9:27)
Iran signed the preliminary nuclear deal with the great nations of the world on 24 November 2013 and confirmed it on 20 th January 2014 the very day Obama started his sixth year. Iran wanted the deal to be for 7 years and they could have agreed to the deal on their own terms.
Now Iran and ISIS are considered threat to the world and America is trying to tackle them
According to Rabbi Ben Judah Samuel prophecy Jerusalem will remain with Ottoman of Turks for 8 jubilees. Then it will be no mans land for 1 jubilee. After that it will remain with Israel for 1 jubilee. Then messianic end times will begin.
300 years after the death of Rabbi Ben Judah Samuel Jerusalem was captured by Ottoman of Turks in 1519. It remained with them for 8 jubilees. Then it was released and remained no mans land for 1 jubilee. In 1967 Israel captured Jerusalem in the six day war and it has remained with them for 1 jubilee. Israel celebrated the jubilee last week.
It is now nearly 3.5 years since the Rising of the Beast and the confirming of the covenant. Soon the abomination will sit in the holy place and the Great Tribulation will begin.
2. The confirming of the covenant (Daniel 9:27)
Iran signed the preliminary nuclear deal with the great nations of the world on 24 November 2013 and confirmed it on 20 th January 2014 the very day Obama started his sixth year. Iran wanted the deal to be for 7 years and they could have agreed to the deal on their own terms.
Now Iran and ISIS are considered threat to the world and America is trying to tackle them
According to Rabbi Ben Judah Samuel prophecy Jerusalem will remain with Ottoman of Turks for 8 jubilees. Then it will be no mans land for 1 jubilee. After that it will remain with Israel for 1 jubilee. Then messianic end times will begin.
300 years after the death of Rabbi Ben Judah Samuel Jerusalem was captured by Ottoman of Turks in 1519. It remained with them for 8 jubilees. Then it was released and remained no mans land for 1 jubilee. In 1967 Israel captured Jerusalem in the six day war and it has remained with them for 1 jubilee. Israel celebrated the jubilee last week.
It is now nearly 3.5 years since the Rising of the Beast and the confirming of the covenant. Soon the abomination will sit in the holy place and the Great Tribulation will begin.
Once the abomination sits in the holy place and he is revealed to the world the rapture will take place.
Read Matthew 24:15-18
Immediately After the abomination sits in the holy place we read in verses 17 and 18
" Let him who is on the house top not come down and who is in the field not go back "
These verses are explained in Luke 17: 26-36 as the day of rapture (Luke 17:31)
Read Matthew 24:15-18
Immediately After the abomination sits in the holy place we read in verses 17 and 18
" Let him who is on the house top not come down and who is in the field not go back "
These verses are explained in Luke 17: 26-36 as the day of rapture (Luke 17:31)
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Doesn't the rapture take place after the 7th trumpet and Christ's glorious return? I'm a "noob" of revelations, but many would disagree on your placement of the rapture. Can you argue against this point?
Personally, I think God is going to make us all go through the tribulation to test our faith before giving us the gift of rapture. And then save us right before the wrath.
The Great Tribulation is the wrath of God.
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The Great Tribulation is the wrath of God.Jesus is not a wife-beater.The wrath of the Lamb is not for the bride. 1 Thess 5:9
Read revelations. The trumpets destroy 1/3 of the earth or humanity in some way. During the wrath the vials destroy all of humanity, or effect all of earth. The trumpets are the tribulation and the vials are the wrath. The 7th trumpet is Christ's return.
Like I said to the poster above, many disagree with you including me on this issue.
The rapture is the next event on the prophetic calendar. John spoke about two signs not one. Don't be one who says that the Lord delays his coming. You don't want to be here during the Great Tribulation (Lk 12:45-46).
See:
Delayeth Danger Informed Christians
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pckts
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The rapture is the next event on the prophetic calendar. John spoke about two signs not one. Don't be one who says that the Lord delays his coming. You don't want to be here during the Great Tribulation (Lk 12:45-46).
See:
Delayeth Danger Informed Christians
Yeah I don't want to be here during the tribulation, that has nothing to do with the placement of the rapture.
Show me your prophetic calendar, mine has the 7 trumpets, all of which haven't happened yet, followed by the rapture.
Courtesy of GaryA's signature: Order Of Events
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pckts
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I know you haven't studied the book because you've not even read the title.
The trumpets and vials are separate events, you call all of these the wrath, like many others, I call them separate events with the rapture in the middle.
I argue globe earth, KJVO, and "not by works" on here, I don't feel like arguing this with you. Just show me how you conclusively know they are all the wrath and why you place the rapture before all of them.
I place the rapture between the two events because in Revelation:
And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
~ Revelation 11:15
... and thy wrath is come ...
~ Revelation 11:18
And the seven angels came out of the temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles. And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever. And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.
~ Revelation 15:6-8
So revelation has the trumpets, and following them it plainly states the wrath is coming. Tell me why this is wrong
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The Great Tribulation is the wrath of God.Jesus is not a wife-beater.The wrath of the Lamb is not for the bride. 1 Thess 5:9
I hope you aren't placing the rapture before everything bad, ONLY because you think "Jesus wouldn't do that". The Bible is where we should discern what God is going to do, not what we think.
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pckts
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The rapture is the next event on the prophetic calendar. John spoke about two signs not one. Don't be one who says that the Lord delays his coming. You don't want to be here during the Great Tribulation (Lk 12:45-46).
See:
Delayeth Danger Informed Christians
I don't really mind if I am killed during the tribulation, and the reason I think we will all be here for it is:
and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
~ 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
If a believer is caught up in all of it and killed, they will be rapture before those who survive.
Again, I haven't read revelations completely and I haven't picked a hill to die on yet, like I have with flat earth so I'm open to whatever you say.
Here is something to consider about September 23 and revelation 12 is the Jewish holy days. God's holy days have always had great importance. When Jesus was doing his ministry he fulfilled four of them, passover then unleveaned bread then rose again of first fruits then Pentecost with the baptism of the holy spirit. There are still three more to be fulfilled prophetically the feast of Trumpets the feast of atonement and of tabernacles
The feast of trumpets is also of importance because it not only symbolizes The bridegroom coming for his bride but also new beginnings and is two days long starting at sunset on the 21st this year and ending at sundown on the 23rd this year because for the hebrews the day both begins and ends at sundown. interestingly enough on the 23rd this year is Shabbat Shuva Sep 23, 2017 (Shabbat of Returning) the day of atonement comes next but what is really interesting is that next is the tabernacle which interestingly enough is to symbolize Shelter by god for seven days or perhaps in this case seven years?
We also are told by Jesus to look for the sign of the son of man, for the longest time i have always wondered what that sign would be I thought perhaps it would be a giant cross in the sky but upon learning of this celestial sign in the sky I think this makes more sense after all it is literally the story of Jesus's birth written in the skies.
Of course this all simply things to consider but does seem plausible
The feast of trumpets is also of importance because it not only symbolizes The bridegroom coming for his bride but also new beginnings and is two days long starting at sunset on the 21st this year and ending at sundown on the 23rd this year because for the hebrews the day both begins and ends at sundown. interestingly enough on the 23rd this year is Shabbat Shuva Sep 23, 2017 (Shabbat of Returning) the day of atonement comes next but what is really interesting is that next is the tabernacle which interestingly enough is to symbolize Shelter by god for seven days or perhaps in this case seven years?
We also are told by Jesus to look for the sign of the son of man, for the longest time i have always wondered what that sign would be I thought perhaps it would be a giant cross in the sky but upon learning of this celestial sign in the sky I think this makes more sense after all it is literally the story of Jesus's birth written in the skies.
Of course this all simply things to consider but does seem plausible
You have seen the beginning of the end described in Matthew;24 .Verse 15 is the one that will set it all off.15;When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation,spoken of by Daniel the prophet,stand in the Holy place place.(whoso readeth,let him understand.. This is the sign Jesus talked about, this is the woman giving birth., the birth pains will have past.The child is born at that point. this is the one people should be concerned about, the abomination of desolation.
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How is the abomination of desolation related with the virgin giving birth in revelation 12? The star constellation of the virgin is never once tied with the abomination of desolation in scripture
It's got nothing to do with the stars. If we are still here, and we see the abomination of desolation sitting in the Holy place, which is the anti-christ. Then and only then will we know the end time is upon us. The woman has given birth at that point.
That is an interesting way of looking at it, however there are many signs to know the end is near not just one. But in your opinion what do you think of the celestial event to happen on september 23rd?
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I don't think we will know for sure when the abomination of desolation is standing in the place it ought naught, because that is something easily faked or misinterpreted
This is from around 2013
you can stand an evil man in the temple whenever and it's hard to say if it is THE event.
For me, I won't be sure the tribulation is kicking off until:
The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.
~ Revelation 8:7
When it's raining blood and I look out my window and drive around in my car and ALL the green grass is burnt up, then I'll know for sure things have kicked off and I'll look back for the abomination. Until then I'll take man's prophecies with a grain of salt.
This is from around 2013
you can stand an evil man in the temple whenever and it's hard to say if it is THE event.
For me, I won't be sure the tribulation is kicking off until:
The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.
~ Revelation 8:7
When it's raining blood and I look out my window and drive around in my car and ALL the green grass is burnt up, then I'll know for sure things have kicked off and I'll look back for the abomination. Until then I'll take man's prophecies with a grain of salt.