God says dont look back you say rake up the past and get to the root cause and everyone has a root cause why there heart is evil and not pure like yours ? coz you have got to the root cause... if your not a shrink was this the advice of a shrink that you go with... this is your ideology now... that those who carry on sin do it out of hurt ? its there own convictions that make them sin.. i say conviction is suppose to not make you sin you say the opeersite
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Jim, the past is not something you rake up, but we carry the scars and hurts from it.
It is not wrong to recognise these things. Anyone who mentions this you push away.
Honesty is about discovering your expectations today which assume so much but are
molded often by failure from before.
We are not doomed to be defined by our past in Christ, but we need to recognise our
pasts cause us to shut down and shut out much of the healing Jesus brings.
Jesus brings us to a new place, where we can trust Him and find He is there where once
we were very alone.
You have some very loaded ideas about people with a good heart who are willing to help.
Sounds like you have gone there and found it did not help you. I am not a support of regression
therapy, I have seen people hurt and damaged by this. I am a behaviouralist, who believe in
obedience to Christs commands brings healing and builds something new in our hearts.
On the subject of conviction, you are meaning something different.
Communion with Christ leads to love and righteousness. This is a form of conviction, but I would
describe this as the infilling by the Holy Spirit, which is much more than conviction.
It is not wrong to recognise these things. Anyone who mentions this you push away.
Honesty is about discovering your expectations today which assume so much but are
molded often by failure from before.
We are not doomed to be defined by our past in Christ, but we need to recognise our
pasts cause us to shut down and shut out much of the healing Jesus brings.
Jesus brings us to a new place, where we can trust Him and find He is there where once
we were very alone.
You have some very loaded ideas about people with a good heart who are willing to help.
Sounds like you have gone there and found it did not help you. I am not a support of regression
therapy, I have seen people hurt and damaged by this. I am a behaviouralist, who believe in
obedience to Christs commands brings healing and builds something new in our hearts.
On the subject of conviction, you are meaning something different.
Communion with Christ leads to love and righteousness. This is a form of conviction, but I would
describe this as the infilling by the Holy Spirit, which is much more than conviction.
This is not what I was getting at at all.
When we are hurt by the failures of our parents or even their sins, our hearts would want
to throw away any contact with them. I realised though this is very tempting, we have love
in our hearts for them which we need to recognise and understand. It is actually not about raising
our parents up, but learning we are built to love them and their role.
One can get great internal conflict not realising this is a God given desire and need. They may never
have met the need but it is there. So many ophans long to know who their parents were when they
had no contact. This is a reflection of the feeling and reality.
Seeing a sinner for who they are really helps, because you know ones debt to them and also the
lostness they walked in, bound by society, sin and their own blindness which made it inevitable.
This helped me be a parent to my kids in a way my parents were never to me, and to grow beyond
where I was in the family I grew up in. God is my Father, and also I thank God for the blessing of
life He gave me through my mum and dad.
I know for many this is a very difficult place to go, to see the conflicting emotions that war within,
which is why family trauma and abuse is so very very hard to come to terms with and resolve, if
ever. But this is where the cross can minister to a depth we could never believe possible and make
whole that which is broken, and take us out as children of our Father, and know His grace and love
overflowing us.
When we are hurt by the failures of our parents or even their sins, our hearts would want
to throw away any contact with them. I realised though this is very tempting, we have love
in our hearts for them which we need to recognise and understand. It is actually not about raising
our parents up, but learning we are built to love them and their role.
One can get great internal conflict not realising this is a God given desire and need. They may never
have met the need but it is there. So many ophans long to know who their parents were when they
had no contact. This is a reflection of the feeling and reality.
Seeing a sinner for who they are really helps, because you know ones debt to them and also the
lostness they walked in, bound by society, sin and their own blindness which made it inevitable.
This helped me be a parent to my kids in a way my parents were never to me, and to grow beyond
where I was in the family I grew up in. God is my Father, and also I thank God for the blessing of
life He gave me through my mum and dad.
I know for many this is a very difficult place to go, to see the conflicting emotions that war within,
which is why family trauma and abuse is so very very hard to come to terms with and resolve, if
ever. But this is where the cross can minister to a depth we could never believe possible and make
whole that which is broken, and take us out as children of our Father, and know His grace and love
overflowing us.
ok so your one them occupational theropist who believe in behavior theropy.... meaning you must come to terms with your behavior befor you can get better.
I can see this is either something you have taught or something some has taught you.. and you see this as the answer to my problems and other peoples...
you say you are trying to help but actualy your making me worse so your teqnique is out of the window for me... my behavior is just fine thanks... i cant help having some moments of doubt or suspicion or trust.. it has nothing to with my past as i dont paint everyone with the same brush as you do and have many times.. by claimg things like there is only one person in this whole forum who hasnt called you bad..
I say if your having problem with everyone then maybe your personal approach needs to change as no one really likes getting to personal in public forums... you seem to think it is your right and that you are doing the will of God.......... thats your delusion not mine....
I feel like for some reason i am just your guinnee pig coz every assessment you have made of me is wrong.... which is how doctors labell people wrongly with false diognosis.....
It does seem to be your trade mark here to make assessment on everyone... im finding it quite awkward to be honest..
I can see this is either something you have taught or something some has taught you.. and you see this as the answer to my problems and other peoples...
you say you are trying to help but actualy your making me worse so your teqnique is out of the window for me... my behavior is just fine thanks... i cant help having some moments of doubt or suspicion or trust.. it has nothing to with my past as i dont paint everyone with the same brush as you do and have many times.. by claimg things like there is only one person in this whole forum who hasnt called you bad..
I say if your having problem with everyone then maybe your personal approach needs to change as no one really likes getting to personal in public forums... you seem to think it is your right and that you are doing the will of God.......... thats your delusion not mine....
I feel like for some reason i am just your guinnee pig coz every assessment you have made of me is wrong.... which is how doctors labell people wrongly with false diognosis.....
It does seem to be your trade mark here to make assessment on everyone... im finding it quite awkward to be honest..
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your wrong again on all fronts emotional abuse is a scar that doesnt come to the servcie until its ready to to..
You seem to lack undestanding of that fact you seem to think that has come to the service on everyone you speak to who has suffered hurt and that is there problem you are wrong..
People who recieve emotional abuse who are walking with God can stumble yes but there still Gods even tho there reacting badly to it..
You dont seem to have a remedy only a judgment..
You seem to lack undestanding of that fact you seem to think that has come to the service on everyone you speak to who has suffered hurt and that is there problem you are wrong..
People who recieve emotional abuse who are walking with God can stumble yes but there still Gods even tho there reacting badly to it..
You dont seem to have a remedy only a judgment..
see this spell it out you feel many here are suffering the same hurt theyve suffered ....
tell me who wants to carry on in hurt peter...... your wrong people will forget and not let it rule there lifes especially christians who you label as not being able to overcome there hurt and even suggesting it is the reaon we speak bad to people on here..
Its a debate forum as well a s a learning one... we debate in this room more than others thats why its a study room and a room where we do not come for treatment...
We come to study and debate and of course a good chuckle at times but then it doesnt last long when peopel are making strawmen of people all the time.. coz they think they have the answers to our hearts based upon there story..
tell me who wants to carry on in hurt peter...... your wrong people will forget and not let it rule there lifes especially christians who you label as not being able to overcome there hurt and even suggesting it is the reaon we speak bad to people on here..
Its a debate forum as well a s a learning one... we debate in this room more than others thats why its a study room and a room where we do not come for treatment...
We come to study and debate and of course a good chuckle at times but then it doesnt last long when peopel are making strawmen of people all the time.. coz they think they have the answers to our hearts based upon there story..
Jim, there are no "remedies" but there are ways of sharing and knowing someones pain.
Judgement?
I am not judging anyone.
If someone is bleeding from a wound on their leg, it is not judgemental to find a bandage
and offer help, that is a loving action.
I know people in your situation do not want help, and will always push others away, with
some defensive statements and possibly anger. Now I have just shared my experience,
I have neither said what you should or should not do.
The saying goes a wounded bear is the worst kind of bear you can come across.
God bless you Jim. You appear quite capable of helping yourself, and that is a good thing,
long may you have the strength.
Judgement?
I am not judging anyone.
If someone is bleeding from a wound on their leg, it is not judgemental to find a bandage
and offer help, that is a loving action.
I know people in your situation do not want help, and will always push others away, with
some defensive statements and possibly anger. Now I have just shared my experience,
I have neither said what you should or should not do.
The saying goes a wounded bear is the worst kind of bear you can come across.
God bless you Jim. You appear quite capable of helping yourself, and that is a good thing,
long may you have the strength.
Interesting to me in church was a man of a similar age to myself and we got
sharing about men and how we open up to one another.
The truth is across all societies guys find this hard, and even harder the older
we get. It is like emotions are there to be ignored and we claim they do not matter.
But this is a denial of loving one another as Christ has loved us.
And having a hard time is sometimes important to share with others, just to have
another person spend time and just care.
It is amazing we know the King yet this one thing we are so poor at, yet as sinners
we know we have acknowledge through the cross we have such a deep need of love
and compassion to be exercised into our hearts.
But until we learn how to let the barrier down and open up, we will never experience
the blessing of others walking with us through the difficult and good times.
God bless you.
sharing about men and how we open up to one another.
The truth is across all societies guys find this hard, and even harder the older
we get. It is like emotions are there to be ignored and we claim they do not matter.
But this is a denial of loving one another as Christ has loved us.
And having a hard time is sometimes important to share with others, just to have
another person spend time and just care.
It is amazing we know the King yet this one thing we are so poor at, yet as sinners
we know we have acknowledge through the cross we have such a deep need of love
and compassion to be exercised into our hearts.
But until we learn how to let the barrier down and open up, we will never experience
the blessing of others walking with us through the difficult and good times.
God bless you.
As I am not projecting anything, I am just testifying, this approach here does work.
I am empirical, I learn from experience and testimony.
What this all reminds me of is an AA meeting. The principle is not a formula,
but just facing where you are and sharing your struggles and victories.
It is this that I am actually interested in. We learn through victories what might
help another, and gives the opportunity to learn.
What I have learnt, is those deeply hurt often lash out trying to create similar hurt
in another to stop them stirring things up which is too painful at the current time.
What is crucial is to realise this should not put people off offering help and support,
because hurt people will always respond like this, but our calling is to reach out and
take the hits and love and support. It is part of the territory.
I am empirical, I learn from experience and testimony.
What this all reminds me of is an AA meeting. The principle is not a formula,
but just facing where you are and sharing your struggles and victories.
It is this that I am actually interested in. We learn through victories what might
help another, and gives the opportunity to learn.
What I have learnt, is those deeply hurt often lash out trying to create similar hurt
in another to stop them stirring things up which is too painful at the current time.
What is crucial is to realise this should not put people off offering help and support,
because hurt people will always respond like this, but our calling is to reach out and
take the hits and love and support. It is part of the territory.
what about the wounded bear who protects ther young should that bear stop protecting knowing they could get wounded again... ? is that the worst bear you can come across as you put it.. you condem me then bless me all the time... i dont think all of your blessings are sincere.
People who can over come hurt are blessed the bible say blessed are the persacuted,,, you seem to think i am not blessed even tho it was you who labelled me evil to begin with from our first encounters..
i am fed up with you insinuations and assessement i am good bear..
People who can over come hurt are blessed the bible say blessed are the persacuted,,, you seem to think i am not blessed even tho it was you who labelled me evil to begin with from our first encounters..
i am fed up with you insinuations and assessement i am good bear..
Jim, I have never labelled you evil.
Talking with you is rather unpredictable. It is hard to address ideas into a context,
because you appear to take things differently than they are intended.
I am anxious to encourage you and to find an understanding of how this can be
achieved. Maybe I cannot not provide what you are looking for, God bless you
Talking with you is rather unpredictable. It is hard to address ideas into a context,
because you appear to take things differently than they are intended.
I am anxious to encourage you and to find an understanding of how this can be
achieved. Maybe I cannot not provide what you are looking for, God bless you
Jim, 
Not sure where you are going with this.
Can I share something simple with you. If I was to give you a cup of coffee,
how would you react to me? Would you want to know why, read my body language,
have to know my mood, my background etc. or just see a cup of coffee and say thankyou.
This is what we are doing here, non threatening, sharing Gods blessing and His healing in
our lives. Can you see this or is it always something more?
Not sure where you are going with this.Can I share something simple with you. If I was to give you a cup of coffee,
how would you react to me? Would you want to know why, read my body language,
have to know my mood, my background etc. or just see a cup of coffee and say thankyou.
This is what we are doing here, non threatening, sharing Gods blessing and His healing in
our lives. Can you see this or is it always something more?