No. You don't even believe that.
You just believe that atonement is a choice. You don't believe that everyone is saved even if they don't believe in God. Do you?
An Introduction to the Doctrines of Grace: Limited Atonement
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You just believe that atonement is a choice. You don't believe that everyone is saved even if they don't believe in God. Do you?
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I think jesus said it he's in John 6. They did not accept. Because they did not believe, the did not think they needed or want a savior, they wanted hand outs,
Jesus told them to seek for food which endured t eternal life, he would not have told them that the f they had no hop of finding it, they just needed the repent of their belief.
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You are simply confusing yourself. You are no farther ahead now than when you started.
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Roger
Ppl, in their unregenerate state will naturally reject it. Men in the flesh hate God, their minds are at enmity with God. Romans 8:7
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eternally-gratefull
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no one has an excuse, romans 1. We all know.
he S not going to draw someone he knows will never ever believe no matter what, this includes giving the gospel.
This was your response to my defining of who the "all" are that everyone seems to think is every human being that ever lives. John 6 was my reference and this was your response.
Who was the scapegoat for? Israel. They were the one whose sins were carried into the wilderness upon that scapegoat. You're the one confusing things.
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eternally-gratefull
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If this is true, no one would ever be saved, because we are unregenerate until we are forgiven of sins, and this is done by faith only,
The gospel has gone out into the entire world. God also uses nature to reveal His existence. Where will you find men who do not have religion? If you find them then evangelize them. You found them because God wants you to tell them of Jesus.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
And if He does not take the initiative, none would be saved. He knows none would believe unless He draws them.
If thats the case then Ephesians 2 is nonsense.
Salvation is by work. Very hard work.
Matthew 22:14 [FONT="]For many are called, but few are chosen.[/FONT]
You're adding to John 6. Read the verses directly after the one you are quoting here about them not believing. Jesus goes on to show they don't believe because they are not drawn by the Father.
Brother, nature does not reveal the death, burial and resurrection of the Christ. It tells ppl there is God, but does tell them that God came as a man, lived a sinless life, was crucified, buried and resurrected three days later.
If all they need is natural revelation, then missions are useless. Faith comes from hearing the word, not looking at the earth and the surrounding universe.
Your beliefs are anti-Great Commissional, anti-Sola Scriptura. Faith does not come from natural revelation, but through hearing the word.
OK in context that is correct. What do you need me to clarify?
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Seeing that faith is a fruit of the Spirit and a gift of God, it makes perfect sense.
Do you believe these verses were meant for the Apostles only?
35 Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst. 36 But I said to you that you have seen me and yet do not believe. 37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. 40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”
41 So the Jews grumbled about him, because he said, “I am the bread that came down from heaven.” 42 They said, “Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How does he now say, ‘I have come down from heaven’?” 43 Jesus answered them, “Do not grumble among yourselves. 44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day. 45 It is written in the Prophets, ‘And they will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to me— 46 not that anyone has seen the Father except he who is from God; he has seen the Father. 47 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.
And if so, were the Apostles given a choice? Or did God cause them to come to him by effectually drawing them?
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eternally-gratefull
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i agree, and I also knows he only draws those he knows will accept, yet all others have no excuse, because they know they are in sin and guilty,, because nothing God could do would change their. Ind, they loved their sin, not god.
When all else fails resort to character assassination and attack the poster.
Faith does not come from natural revelation but Romans 1 teaches that all men are without excuse.
Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Brother, He knows none will accept Him in their fallen state. You have Him drawing those He knows who will accept Him makes His offer to them a debt and not grace.